PAMB and its quotes

JulieB · Oct 3, 2007

There's a sort of transcript of the show up on the site. It's ... odd.

Christine N. · Oct 3, 2007

And it looks like PA was forced to spill that they don't write big checks, AND Dr. Phil did NOT recommend the book be published.

I'll bet PA hounds them to death after this.

And if nothing else, thousands of people will Google PA, and find...us. And a whole lotta other information about PA.

Gotta love Google.

brianm · Oct 3, 2007

... and the vast majority will ignore the warnings and sign PA contracts.

IMO, this is good advertising for PA and will net them another group of wannabe published authors, who will open up their wallets to feed PA's vanity scam press coffers.

JulieB · Oct 3, 2007

I'm afraid of that as well. I wish he'd further questioned the PA rep and asked what advance they offered and what sort of royalties they pay.

Dave.C.Robinson · Oct 3, 2007

JulieB said:
There's a sort of transcript of the show up on the site. It's ... odd.

Can we get a link to that "transcript" please?

JCT · Oct 3, 2007

Who'd they send out there?

DamaNegra · Oct 3, 2007

jamiehall said:
Weird! And interesting. Maybe (we can hope!) this is the beginning of the end for Publish America. Publicity never does them any good. And, if it's a lie, then it's one that will be particularly easy to expose as false. Either way, PA loses.

You know, I've been reading through the old NEPAT. People have been seeing the beginning of the end for PA since 2003 or 2004. It's now 2007. I don't mean to sound pessimistic but I don't think these guys will be going off business any time soon.

Sheryl Nantus · Oct 3, 2007

brianm said:
... and the vast majority will ignore the warnings and sign PA contracts.

IMO, this is good advertising for PA and will net them another group of wannabe published authors, who will open up their wallets to feed PA's vanity scam press coffers.

it depends - for those seeking the quick way to publishing, they won't care WHAT Dr. Phil or anyone else says; PA will always be the best choice for them. Heck, there's legal decisions against PA and people still sign contracts with them *knowing* that PA has done wrong. Some people will willingly walk into oncoming traffic...

I'll be watching the show, but don't forget - the show is about the family, not PA. It would be nice for the show to do a followup on PA, but it's really only a side issue in this case; the dysfunctional family is what the focus is going to be on.

I doubt PA came off as looking good... except, of course, in their own minds.

brianm · Oct 3, 2007

DamaNegra said:
You know, I've been reading through the old NEPAT. People have been seeing the beginning of the end for PA since 2003 or 2004. It's now 2007. I don't mean to sound pessimistic but I don't think these guys will be going off business any time soon.

I agree. PA's business model is not illegal and will continue to thrive so long as there are writers out there who have the "golden words" syndrome... and are willing to part with cold, hard cash to buy their own books.

PA's accounting, IMO, is what will possibly close them down. It's usually the financial side of a business that gets the greedy, scumbags in trouble.

JimmyD1318 · Oct 3, 2007

DamaNegra said:
You know, I've been reading through the old NEPAT. People have been seeing the beginning of the end for PA since 2003 or 2004. It's now 2007. I don't mean to sound pessimistic but I don't think these guys will be going off business any time soon.

And that is what makes all of this so sad at times. But as it has been been said by others, as long as there are writers that have the golden word syndrome or are tired of being rejected by everyone else, PA will still be around. All we can do here is put the word out on them and hope we can steer as many clear from them as we can.

Marie Pacha · Oct 3, 2007

Excerpt from the show transcript:

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3956/?id=3956&isTip=&slide=5&null=null

"“Well, she told me that it was projected, the first check in September was projected to be $3,000,000,” Sarah says.

“No, what I told her was, according to my contract, a million books sold was a $3,000,000 check,” Carrie explains.

Dr. Phil turns to Carrie’s would-be publisher, Batya, from PublishAmerica. He asks her, “How many $3,000,000 checks has PublishAmerica ever written to a new author two months after the book came out?”

“I think I can safely say none,” she says.

Dr. Phil tells Carrie, "This $3,000,000 pipe dream, I’m sorry, ain’t happening. Ain’t almost happening — I’m sorry — I don’t know who told you this — ” "

Jersey Chick · Oct 3, 2007

Hmmm... not a Dr. Phil fan, but I just might have to suck it up and watch this...

Gillhoughly · Oct 3, 2007

Okay--I did it. I went to the Dr. Phil site and sent them a mail concerning what PA is and why they are bad news.

I expressed a wish that Dr. Phil not be made to look a fool by offering free advertising to a piece of work like PA.

I listed about a dozen sites (including this one, P&E, the Washington Post) with reports about PA.

It would help if they got MORE such mails in.

Keep it simple, less is more, just tell them PA is bad and give them links to justify your assertions.

If you are a PA victim, tell your story.

http://www.drphil.com/plugger/respond/?plugID=9164

Use your real name & address, pro pub credits if any. Truth is the best weapon against PA.

Toothpaste · Oct 3, 2007

Hmm . . . I wonder if he got enough word on the subject, he would make it into a subject on his show. Seems like it could be up his alley . . .

Sheryl Nantus · Oct 3, 2007

Marie Pacha said:
Excerpt from the show transcript:

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3956/?id=3956&isTip=&slide=5&null=null

"“Well, she told me that it was projected, the first check in September was projected to be $3,000,000,” Sarah says.

“No, what I told her was, according to my contract, a million books sold was a $3,000,000 check,” Carrie explains.

Dr. Phil turns to Carrie’s would-be publisher, Batya, from PublishAmerica. He asks her, “How many $3,000,000 checks has PublishAmerica ever written to a new author two months after the book came out?”

“I think I can safely say none,” she says.

Dr. Phil tells Carrie, "This $3,000,000 pipe dream, I’m sorry, ain’t happening. Ain’t almost happening — I’m sorry — I don’t know who told you this — ” "

pretty obvious that someone can't do math.

three million dollars from a million books being sold? What sort of faboo royalty do she think she's getting?

although I hate to defend PA in any circumstances, it's obvious here that baby-girl can't do even basic math. Nor did she even read the contract. And who is this PA employee? The janitor?

sheesh.

JCT · Oct 3, 2007

[SIZE=-1]Batya Toso is her name, a PR person from PA. What, Miranda, didn't want to go on TV?
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brianm · Oct 3, 2007

Gillhoughly said:
Okay--I did it. I went to the Dr. Phil site and sent them a mail concerning what PA is and why they are bad news.

I expressed a wish that Dr. Phil not be made to look a fool by offering free advertising to a piece of work like PA.

I listed about a dozen sites (including this one, P&E, the Washington Post) with reports about PA.

It would help if they got MORE such mails in.

Keep it simple, less is more, just tell them PA is bad and give them links to justify your assertions.

If you are a PA victim, tell your story.

http://www.drphil.com/plugger/respond/?plugID=9164

Use your real name & address, pro pub credits if any. Truth is the best weapon against PA.

I, too, sent them an email this morning providing links.

JulieB · Oct 3, 2007

I think I'll wait until I've seen the show this afternoon.

Jersey Chick · Oct 3, 2007

And are you agreeable to appearing on Dr. Phil?

Afinerosesheis · Oct 3, 2007

I always liked Dr. Phil, but hubby does not. =) This is an interesting turn of events in any case.

(Btw- my posts here at AW were yet again thrown up in my face. Uh..I am wondering why?)

Sheryl Nantus · Oct 3, 2007

Afinerosesheis said:
I always liked Dr. Phil, but hubby does not. =) This is an interesting turn of events in any case.

(Btw- my posts here at AW were yet again thrown up in my face. Uh..I am wondering why?)

where?

here?

DamaNegra · Oct 3, 2007

JimmyD1318 said:
And that is what makes all of this so sad at times. But as it has been been said by others, as long as there are writers that have the golden word syndrome or are tired of being rejected by everyone else, PA will still be around. All we can do here is put the word out on them and hope we can steer as many clear from them as we can.

I'm not saying these threads are without purpose. Clearly, they are. Many people have steered away from PA as a result from these threads. I was just saying that people have been fighting to get PA out of business for years and they haven't managed it. Like brianm said, they're not doing anything that is blatantly illegal (except for the missing royalties and continuing to sell books after the rights have been reversed). And even on those instances where they ARE doing illegal stuff, there's not enough big bucks in game to get the authorities to intervente.

The purpose of these threads is to steer away authors from PA. Preferrably, authors who seriously want a career out of writing. People who only want to play pretend author, well, Pa isn't that bad an idea for them. As Uncle Jim once said, there are more expensive hobbies out there.

emsuniverse · Oct 3, 2007

Oh I am so watching that show.

JCT · Oct 3, 2007

Sheryl Nantus said:
where?

here?

No on Alien Enigma's board, aka "where the insane run free".

Afinerosesheis · Oct 3, 2007

I don't want to go off topic. I am just sick of feeling like I am bad and being watched posting here. What and where I post is my business, especially now that I have cut my membership. Sorry- I am having a pi**y day.

Back to Dr. Phil---- I will be watching.
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