PAMB and its quotes

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Duncan J Macdonald

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Quote: (from the wondrous fastness of the PAMB)
I just ignore these people, because if they had another brain, it would be lonesome!

I'm sure this would be a mortal insult if it made sense.
I speak schoolyard, so I'll translate for you.
Loosely: "You resemble quite closely the Scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz in that you are lacking a brain. Being thusly brainless, if you were to magically receive another's brain (say Dorothy's, or Toto's), that brain, perceiving that it was, in fact, the only brain in your immediate surroundings, would become despondent, and, if it were still equipped with eyes and tear ducts, it would weep from being alone."
 

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Thanks for the explanation, which made me grin at the sheer lame-assedness (if that's a word) of the insult. Maybe it's the word "another" which threw me off; if I said that I'd just bought another car, the implication would be that I already had one or more cars. Ditto with the brains. But then again, I don't expect precision from the PAMB.
 

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I speak schoolyard, so I'll translate for you.
Loosely: "You resemble quite closely the Scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz in that you are lacking a brain. Being thusly brainless, if you were to magically receive another's brain (say Dorothy's, or Toto's), that brain, perceiving that it was, in fact, the only brain in your immediate surroundings, would become despondent, and, if it were still equipped with eyes and tear ducts, it would weep from being alone."
I bet you got a he// of a headache deciphering all that.
 

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I speak schoolyard, so I'll translate for you.
Loosely: "You resemble quite closely the Scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz in that you are lacking a brain. Being thusly brainless, if you were to magically receive another's brain (say Dorothy's, or Toto's), that brain, perceiving that it was, in fact, the only brain in your immediate surroundings, would become despondent, and, if it were still equipped with eyes and tear ducts, it would weep from being alone."


Ummmmm....yeah! What he said!:Shrug:
 

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I've noticed that the majority of the young writers don't talk too much on the PAMB. . . .
Do you have any data on the age distribution of PA writers?

My own tiny (call it purely anecdotal) sample of local PA authors I know (or in one case, know of) is roughly as follows:

About age 80: 3 (one with one book, and quickly, but quietly, disgruntled; one with one book and happy; one with one book immediately regretted and trying to get out of contract)

Mid-70s(?): 1 (with three books, and happy with PA; active shill)

About age 55-60: 2 (one not dissatisfied, as far as I know, all things considered; one with two or three books, and satisfied, last I heard)

About age 50: 1 (two books, I think, but moved out of the area before second appeared; seemed satisfied)

About age 25: 1 (good local sales; not someone I have met personally, but I am aware of book and know something of its local reception)

I also know of another, perhaps 70ish, who queried, was promptly accepted (with no manuscript in hand), and decided to take a pass on PA; ended up with a subsidy press.

And I know one other, 80-something, who at the last minuted rejected the offered PA contract and eventually signed with a small press. Come to think of it, I know another 70-something who considered PA, but partly as a result of my cautions decided against and instead used iUniverse (albeit not pleased with the belatedly discovered implications and limitations of POD).

That is not a random sample, but reflects the extent of my personal knowledge, mostly through one organization that primarily caters to older writers, and wannabe writers. That personal knowledge suggests average age of PA authors of 70 or above, and median in mid-seventies. But it is a small group and not a random sample.

FWIW. I invite comparisons from others who personally know (or have other reasonably direct local knowledge of) PA authors..

--Ken
 

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Sounds like an expose submitted to the AARP for their member magazine might take another big chunk out of PA's target market.
 

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Sounds like an expose submitted to the AARP for their member magazine might take another big chunk out of PA's target market.
Allow me to recommend that you query the AARP magazine about an expose. You are an expert on publishing scams and should have a good opportunity to sell such an article to that market if anyone does.

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Allow me to recommend that you query the AARP magazine about an expose. You are an expert on publishing scams and should have a good opportunity to sell such an article to that market if anyone does.

--Ken

Good idea. I get that magazine and seem to remember they have done pieces on scams, such as home repair and insurance. I don't recall anything on publishing scams. Preditors and Editors would serve as an excellent platform for a submission on that subject.
 

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From the time I have spent on the PA bords (not a happy time, for the most part), I have noticed that the older generation do indeed stand out.

Most of them are the happiest of PA's set, and are the rudest and most vicious when defending their publisher. I have also noticed them on other boards being the same way. These older ones use their age to their advantage to knock down other younger authors, who in their eyes, know next to nothing about anything. In some ways they get by with it because most people are taught to respect their elders no matter what. This is a deadly combination when trying to speak against older PA authors.

One size does not fit all, many authors are not this way. This is just something I have noticed.

Me? I am 35. I have one PA book. I did sign the contract believing things that proved false. I do not plan to get my rights back, but will not submit again to them.
 

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Well, a bit of Googling revealed that it's posted on Helium (which isn't exacly "publishing," but anyone who believes that PA is a publisher might think so:
http://www.helium.com/tm/604962/publish-america-legitimate-publisher
and beside it are the links to Yes and No articles about whether PA is legit.

There need to be more "No" articles added!

I speak schoolyard, so I'll translate for you.
Loosely: "You resemble quite closely the Scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz in that you are lacking a brain. Being thusly brainless, if you were to magically receive another's brain (say Dorothy's, or Toto's), that brain, perceiving that it was, in fact, the only brain in your immediate surroundings, would become despondent, and, if it were still equipped with eyes and tear ducts, it would weep from being alone."

I took it as meaning "your brain is so awful that if it had a duplicate of itself around, neither would talk to the other, so they would both be lonesome" or something like that.
 

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Good idea. I get that magazine and seem to remember they have done pieces on scams, such as home repair and insurance. I don't recall anything on publishing scams. Preditors and Editors would serve as an excellent platform for a submission on that subject.

In October 2005, AARP did a "scam alert" on poetry.com, the International Library of Poetry: "Write and Wronged" by Sid Kircheimer:
http://www.aarp.org/bulletin/consumer/scam_poetry.html

You can share a scam here:
http://www.aarp.org/bulletin/consumer/share_scam.html
 

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I think the implication is that if one had another brain installed, it would be by itself, therefore indicating the person is "brainless" to begin with.

Maybe I am over-simplifying. Maybe it's just a bad example of a White Man's version of "The Dozens" game.

You know: "Yo' mama's so fat . . . ." exchanges. But with mayonnaise not barbeque sauce.

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Golden Word Syndrome at its finest.

When an author receives a mildly unfavorable review, another author tells her not to change a thing.

Everyone thinks they know the changes that should be made. However, this is your book, not the reviwers, YOURS. I get hammered every time I submit a poem to a poetry discussion site, not many people get my sense of humor. Im sure my writing, (to some people) is like a mix of a poor sixth grader and a mental patient. Who cares, its my stuff. I like the end result of what I create. At the time of creating I am sure you used the words you chose and were happy with it. Don't let ANYONE cause you greef about your stuff. All car makers, lamp makers, shoe makers, painters, etc. do what makes them happy not what pleases everyone. If I were you, I would find a purple sweater, take your laptop, sit in the grass and put a smile on your face. Don't worry about anyones oppion but yours.

I'm all for being true to oneself, but with this kind of attitude, maybe it's best that they're not submitting their work to legitimate agents or publishers. Who knows what the response would be if an editor suggested a change of any kind?
 

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Im sure my writing, (to some people) is like a mix of a poor sixth grader and a mental patient. Who cares, its my stuff.

Then don't put it out there for the world to see because once you do, you will see criticism.
 

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This was just in my mailbox.

Dear author,
We thought that we should share this with you:

Keeping in mind that we just went through a very busy royalty month at PublishAmerica, it doesn't happen every day that we are treated as royalty ourselves. Recently we were, though, when Dr. Phil McGraw's staff asked us to appear in his top-rated, nationally syndicated TV show. The episode is scheduled to air this week.

Our photogenic staffer was happy to quickly pack her bags and fly to Hollywood. She reports that the Dr. Phil Show treated her like a queen. She was given a "stunning hotel room" with a full view of the famous Hollywood sign, and she travelled by chauffeured limo. She also had her "own dressing room cum wardrobe expert", and "hair and makeup experts who took their time to make me look good." Dr. Phil's professional staff "thanked [her] profusely for coming out".

The show discusses a conflict between a mother and a daughter who submitted a book to PublishAmerica, and wants to see it published. Dr. Phil decided to mediate, and he wanted PublishAmerica in the studio, with a ready-to-sign contract in hand.

Check your local listings, and see for yourself how the show ends. Have fun!

Thank you.
PublishAmerica Author Support Team
I sense a twist of Jerry Springer in the end.
 

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The show discusses a conflict between a mother and a daughter who submitted a book to PublishAmerica, and wants to see it published. Dr. Phil decided to mediate, and he wanted PublishAmerica in the studio, with a ready-to-sign contract in hand.

Bolding mine. Now WTF is that supposed to mean? Does this involve the court case/lawsuit that went on recently between that family that fought over the harsh words written by the daughter? How is PA milking this to cast them in a better light?

Tri
 

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The show discusses a conflict between a mother and a daughter who submitted a book to PublishAmerica, and wants to see it published. Dr. Phil decided to mediate, and he wanted PublishAmerica in the studio, with a ready-to-sign contract in hand.

Bolding mine. Now WTF is that supposed to mean? Does this involve the court case/lawsuit that went on recently between that family that fought over the harsh words written by the daughter? How is PA milking this to cast them in a better light?

Tri

Weird! And interesting. Maybe (we can hope!) this is the beginning of the end for Publish America. Publicity never does them any good. And, if it's a lie, then it's one that will be particularly easy to expose as false. Either way, PA loses.
 

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Yippee! Lane is back and talking sense on the 'bad review' thread.

Good advice, Larry, if you are marketing your work to non-critical aunts, uncles, cousins and bar buddies. Bad advice if you want to be taken seriously as a writer.

Rarely is a good book given a bad review.

If a writer is not prepared to learn from constructive criticism, he/she ought to put the pen down.

The "us" vs. "them" mentality so often expressed on this board in "group speak" is short sighted and nonproductive. Professional reviewers are not out to "get" writers. Nevertheless, they have an obligation to the reading public to carefully evaluate a book's worth, or lack of. And therein lies the rub among inexperienced writers with fragile egos who are in love with their words.

Writing is a business that demands professionalism. Back-slapping in place of objectivity may feel good for a moment. It will not make bad writing better.
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This may be tomorrow's show:

Then, Carrie calls her mother, Sarah, the “spawn of Satan.” Carrie wrote a book about Sarah’s real life near-death experience at the hands of a serial killer. Now the mother and daughter are fighting over who owns the rights to this compelling page-turner. Will they heal their relationship so that the book can get published?

The message board for that show is already active.

Gads, I hope no one signed that contract. Seriously. (I'd say that even if PA wasn't involved.)
 
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I just lost a lot of respect for the Dr Phil show...someone didn't do their homework!
 

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You respected Dr. Phil in the first place? ;)

Seriously. The demographics that TV shows like his target are the main fodder for PA.
 
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