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While we were eating dinner tonight, the news had Paul McCartny holding up a copy of his just-released PB. It was a 30 second bite and not much was said about it; I guess with his fame, anything with his name on it will sell. My husband's reaction--"It must be good, it's written by Paul McCartny."

Dinner was over fast.
 

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Good for Paul.

I've searched a lot of publishers and many of them are not looking for unagented writers, especially new writers, unless you are a celebrity. The sad fact is it's hard getting a publisher to look at you. If your unpublished it's even harder. If you are a celebrity, you'll sell, probably sell a lot. From a publisher's stand point, I do understand. They are in the business to make money. Not too good for the rest of us, but we are just going to have to rely on our outstanding cababilities and talent.

We'll get there!
 

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Vanessa C. said:
Good for Paul.

I've searched a lot of publishers and many of them are not looking for unagented writers, especially new writers, unless you are a celebrity. The sad fact is it's hard getting a publisher to look at you. If your unpublished it's even harder. If you are a celebrity, you'll sell, probably sell a lot. From a publisher's stand point, I do understand. They are in the business to make money. Not too good for the rest of us, but we are just going to have to rely on our outstanding cababilities and talent.

We'll get there!
Sometimes you wonder if the editors they interview in Children's Writer's & Illustrator's Market live on the same planet. A HarperCollins editor said it was just a nasty, ugly rumor that the name on the manuscript means anything at all. Everyone has an equal shot when they submit to HarperCollins, whether famous or unknown. Celebrity does NOT assure nor increase one's chances for success.

The listing for HarperCollins Children's Books in the same edition edition specifies Agented submissions only and Gloria Estefan's new book is highlighted on the home page at http://www.harperchildrens.com.

Tell me another one, eh? ;)
 

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Yo, Joe- took a look at Gloria's new book- read the exerpt and everything- looks like a real "winner" to me.

I've gone to Writers' conferences and critique groups, and there is a serious focus to ensure that you remain "childlike" in your writing for children. Maybe it's me- but I don't feel is here. Maybe it's becuase Noelle is a dog, not a child.
 

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Celebrity

I wouldn't sweat it. Celebrities have as much right to write a book as anyone else, and such books usually make a lot of money. Anything that puts money in a publisher's coffer is a good thing for all writers, and especially for new writers.

The more money a publisher has, the easier it is for them to take a chance on a new writer. Writers who sell very well, celebrity or not, pay for all the new writers publishers lose money on.
 

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Jamesaritchie said:
I wouldn't sweat it. Celebrities have as much right to write a book as anyone else, and such books usually make a lot of money. Anything that puts money in a publisher's coffer is a good thing for all writers, and especially for new writers.

Sure, celebrities have as much right as anyone BUT it's unfortunate that so many of them are not good children's book writers. Makes it tougher on the parents/guardians/adults to sift through the garbage in a bookstore to find the true gems.

By the way, Paul McCartney's new children's book wasn't really totally written by him. Under his name, are a writer's name and an illustrator's name.
 
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Hi Everyone,

Uggghh, another celebrity on our turf huh!

I wasn't aware of this book so did some checking. It's called "High in the Clouds" By Paul McCartney, Geoff Dunbar;Philip Ardagh Forced to leave his woodland home, destroyed by the expansion plans of the evil Gretsch, Wirral the squirrel vows to find the fabled land of Animalia, where all the animals are said to live in freedom and without fear. Aided and abetted by Froggo the hot-air-ballooning frog, Wilhamina the plucky red squirrel, and Ratsy the streetwise rodent, Wirral's personal quest turns into a full-blown plan to save enslaved animals Everywhere -- a plan that is fraught with danger.




Hmmmm!

Reece
 

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Surprisingly enough, publishers seemed to find the money to publish new writers just fine BEFORE writing a children's book became the "hip" thing for a celeb to do to show off his commitment to children/family. In fact, I've heard plenty of professional people in children's book publishing say that celebrity authors do NOTHING...ZERO...BUPKISS to help book publishers bring in more money for new authors.

Celebrity books are blindingly expensive to produce and they suck up incredible amounts in promotional budgets. Some make it back and put some money in the publisher's pocket (though not nearly as much as you would think)...some don't. Considering new writers only cost a tiny fraction as much, they earn out much quicker...but, they offer less chance of striking rich on author name alone. Naturally, publishers chase what seems like a better bet...but, please, don't try to feed us the "it's good for everyone" line because it flatly isn't.
 

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For the most part, I don't like it, however, some of the celebrities have talent ..although I haven't read ...damn, now I can't think of his name...actor...may be playing on Broadway now...Dirty Rotten Scoundels.... well, I love his acting and I believe he paints, too, so I'd suspect his books are good.... But people like Madonna, they make me crazy. I've heard mixed reviews of the Jamie Curtis books.... I can't help but think... Can't you continue making money your usual way?
 

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Reece10 said:
I wasn't aware of this book so did some checking. It's called "High in the Clouds" By Paul McCartney, Geoff Dunbar;Philip Ardagh Forced to leave his woodland home, destroyed by the expansion plans of the evil Gretsch, Wirral the squirrel vows to find the fabled land of Animalia, where all the animals are said to live in freedom and without fear. Aided and abetted by Froggo the hot-air-ballooning frog, Wilhamina the plucky red squirrel, and Ratsy the streetwise rodent, Wirral's personal quest turns into a full-blown plan to save enslaved animals Everywhere -- a plan that is fraught with danger.
Anyone else notice that the evil human is never a celebrity bulldozing trees away to make room for an estate in the Scottish countryside?
 

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By the way, I did some quck digging and came up with this list of celebrity books for children:

Alice By Whoopi Goldberg
Amy the Dancing Bear By Carly Simon
And the Winner is By LL Cool J
Charlies the Caterpilla By Dom Deluis, Christopher Santoro
Daddy Day, Daughter Day, By Larry King
Dancing in the Wings By Debbie Allen, Kadir Nelson
The English Roses By Madonna, Jeffrey Fulvimari
Halloween By by Jerry Seinfeld, James Bennett
I Already Know I Love You By Billy Crystal, Elizabeth Sayles
Jag By by Leann Rimes, Richard Bernal
The Little Baby Snoogle-Fleejar By Jimmy Carter, Amy Carter
Little Red By Sarah The Duchess of York Ferguson, Sam Williams
Love is a Family By Roma Downey, Justine Gasquet


Needless to say, the list goes on and guess what? Most of them are animal based stories - something most professional writers are told to steer clear of.

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cwgranny said:
Surprisingly enough, publishers seemed to find the money to publish new writers just fine BEFORE writing a children's book became the "hip" thing for a celeb to do to show off his commitment to children/family. In fact, I've heard plenty of professional people in children's book publishing say that celebrity authors do NOTHING...ZERO...BUPKISS to help book publishers bring in more money for new authors.

Celebrity books are blindingly expensive to produce and they suck up incredible amounts in promotional budgets. Some make it back and put some money in the publisher's pocket (though not nearly as much as you would think)...some don't. Considering new writers only cost a tiny fraction as much, they earn out much quicker...but, they offer less chance of striking rich on author name alone. Naturally, publishers chase what seems like a better bet...but, please, don't try to feed us the "it's good for everyone" line because it flatly isn't.

This just isn't true. Not in any way. Celebrity writers do get a healthy chunk of promotional money, but not nearly as much as you seem to believe. Something like 99% of the promotion a celebrity book receives is free. Every talk show in the country, morning, afternoon, and late night, wants that celebrity on to talk about the book. Magazines and newspapers run articles about the book and the celebrity, free of charge. And what a publisher puts out in promotional dollars comes back five fold in advertising dollars they don't have to spend.

All these things cost a ton of money for non-celebrity writers, but they come free when talk shows of all sorts want you and when magazines and newspapers will run articles about you, just because of your name.

I don;t know who the professionals you talked to were, but I'll wager none of them were publishers who have released a celebrity book. Next rime, ask to see the accounting books. I have seen them, and I've yet to see a case where celebrity writers didn't, in one way or another, make the publisher a LOT of money.

It is good for everyone, like it or not. And, NO, publishers did NOT seem to find a way of publishing very many new writers before celebrity books came along. I don't know why in the world people think this.

It wasn't so many years ago that a new writer breaking into commercial publishing was far, far rarer than it is today. There's never been a time when so many new writers could have a first novel published by a large publisher, and a major reason for this change is money available for new writers.

Earning out quickly for most new writers means squat. So the new writer earns out quickly and the publisher makes a profit of $2,000. Big deal, especially when four of of five new writers never earn out.

New writers very rarely earn the publisher any worthwhile money. The hope is that new writers will earn the publisher worthwhile money down the road, and sometimes they do. More often than not, they don't.

And celebrity books do not have to earn out to turn a huge profit for a publisher. Earning out is a good thing, but it's only one slice in a very large pie. The bigger your name, the bigger the pie, and the more ways there are for you to earn a profit for teh publisher.

Publishers are in business to make money, and when something doesn't turn a profit, they stop doing it quickly, celebrity writer or not. Celebrity books are good for everyone, for all writers, and especially for new writers. That's just how it is.

Celebrity writers get published for one reason, and one reason only, they make money, and making money is what publishing is all about.
 

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Wow, considering the proliferation of celebrity children's writers is a recent (as in post-Harry Potter years) phenomenon...I am amazed to hear publishers didn't have new writers on their lists before then. So, these established children's writers in the 80s were...what...born with a book contract under their belts so they wouldn't be first time authors? You know, the older editors I know who talk about the 80s with stars in their eyes...they forgot to mention that they never published new writers back then. Oh, wait, I knew new writers back then with book contracts...they must have lied to the publishers...tricky little sneaks

And the publishers who don't presently do celebrity children's books...they don't buy books from new writers either? I know some writers who are going to be darn shocked to hear that.

Wow...thank god for those celebrities who birthed the children's writing industry who finally allowed new children's writers into the industry...all in the last few years.

Yeah, the publishers in love with the celebs do it for the perception of big money...no one in their right mind doubts that...you got one right, anyway.