Could William Faulkner get published today?

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I suscribe to The Rejected Quarterly Magazine. They only publish stories that have been rejected at least five times. In a recent issue they had an interesting article written by an anonymous writer who was frustrated with being rejected by literary magazines. So he plagiarized William Faulkner and submitted it as his own work to a dozen magazines. He was rejected by every magazine, and some rejections were accompanied by notes with sophomoric comments like "too much telling and not enough showing." Only one editor recognized it as being "Faulknerish" but then she went on to tell him how he got it wrong.

Many stories published by literary magazines aren't even stories. They're pointless vignettes. Or maybe I just don't get it. Either way, I've decided not to worry about it when I get rejected. Most readers and editors are kids straight out of college. What do they know?
 

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That's an old anecdote and it ignores the fact that the market has changed.

Most editors are not kids straight out of college and readers are readers because they're trusted to sort the gems from the slush. Gems will be different for each publication, based upon that publications needs and focus. If you want published, you can't just write well, you also have to submit what the magazine publishes. If that's pointless vignettes -- and that statement sounds like sour grapes to me -- then you have to submit pointless vignettes. If that's not what you write, you have to find the magazines that do publish what you write and submit to them.
 

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Very true Birol. However:

abominationerupts said:
Only one editor recognized it as being "Faulknerish" but then she went on to tell him how he got it wrong.

I haven't heard that one before, and it is quite funny. The idea of reading Faulkner, and telling the writer that he got Faulkner wrong is pretty amusing. :)
 

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abominationerupts said:
I suscribe to The Rejected Quarterly Magazine. They only publish stories that have been rejected at least five times. In a recent issue they had an interesting article written by an anonymous writer who was frustrated with being rejected by literary magazines. So he plagiarized William Faulkner and submitted it as his own work to a dozen magazines. He was rejected by every magazine, and some rejections were accompanied by notes with sophomoric comments like "too much telling and not enough showing." Only one editor recognized it as being "Faulknerish" but then she went on to tell him how he got it wrong.

Many stories published by literary magazines aren't even stories. They're pointless vignettes. Or maybe I just don't get it. Either way, I've decided not to worry about it when I get rejected. Most readers and editors are kids straight out of college. What do they know?

This stupid stunt happens about once per month, and literally means only that whoever pulls it is the latest idiot.

There are so many things wrong with doing this, and it proves so little, that it isn't even worth dissecting.

But I will make one point that all these idiots overlook. YES, Faulkner would get publilshed today, and quickly, because Faulkner wasn't an idiot. He never once submitted work by Dickens, and the tried to use that as an excuse for his own rejections. What Falkner did was write for the time and place in which he lived, and if Faulkner were alive today, his writing style and content would reflect that of today. If he were born thorty years ago, and just started writing, he'd still have just as much talent, just as much dedication, and he'd be published just as quickly.

These idiots also overlook one other fact. FAULKNER IS BEING PUBLISHED TODAY. His work is still in print, and is still very widely read and loved.

And, of course, the writer in question being anonymous, you don't know whether he was telling the truth, or just lying his %$$ off.

As for teh literary magazines, I'd say you just don't get it. Not any of it.

As for the editors being kids fresh out of college, nice try, but it's very seldom true. What on earth made you think this? Only college literary magazines, and fly by night shoestring operations, usually have editors who are kids right out of college. But fresh out of college usually means they just spent from four to six years intently studying good fiction and great writers. So they usually know a lot.

Most of the college literary magazines do a very good job of finding talented writers and great stories.

Writers do not get published because they cannot write well enough. It's this simple. And sometimes writers do not get pubished because they aren't very bright. Some of them are even dumb enough to anonymously submit work written seventy years ago to a dozen magazine it probably isn't suited for, and then try to use that as an excuse for their own lack of talent and skill.
 

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I just have to wonder why some writers put more effort into showing why they're not being published, rather than putting that same effort into better writing that would be published.

Seems like a waste of energy and time to me.
 

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Also, let's say you're the editor who pulls something so blatantly plagiarized. What do you do?

Do you a) call the plagiarism as you see it, opening yourself up to legal action or worse by some lunatic that's already crazy enough to plagiarize, b) publish it because you don't want this prankster to talk s*** about how Faulkner couldn't get published, or c) drop a lovely little impersonal rejection note into the SASE, and laugh to yourself that anyone thought they could pull such an idiotic stunt.

If I was the reader/editor, I know which letter of the alphabet would reflect my action.
 

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Seems kinda silly to place the blame on the markets that don't buy your work rather than on the quality of the work itself. Lots of folks never get published. Impatience is one of the biggest barriers to good writing.
 

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I'm 100% with ducky. It makes total sense to me :-D
 

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Jamesaritchie said:
But I will make one point that all these idiots overlook. YES, Faulkner would get publilshed today, and quickly, because Faulkner wasn't an idiot.

But mainly because he was Faulkner. The editors would recognize his name.
 
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How do you know I don't get it,Jamesarritchie? You don't even know which stories I'm referring to.

Man, you all are defensive.
 

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abomination--I don't think they're defensive, so much as they answer this question a couple of times a month. :) The response you're seeing is the equivalent of a deep sigh and an eyeroll over yet another writer who can't realize that his own skills are lacking, so he sets out to prove that the entire publishing industry is broken, by trying to trick some overworked editor with a hoary, stale old stunt that's been being pulled for about as long as writers have been submitting.

You asked what people think--they told you. Then you attacked writers, editors and readers--which was quite frankly antagonistic and condescending.

Many stories published by literary magazines aren't even stories. They're pointless vignettes. Or maybe I just don't get it. Either way, I've decided not to worry about it when I get rejected. Most readers and editors are kids straight out of college. What do they know?
So I suspect you've not made a lot of friends, right off the bat. Now you want to come back and tell everyone what a meanie they are...What did you honestly expect? There are a lot of working writers and editors on this board. There are a lot of kids just out of college, and a lot of readers, and you've managed to insult ALL of them.

Care to try again, in your approach to a community made up of the very people you're sneering at in your first post? It might well be that you just didn't get the tone of that post quite right, and you meant to sound lighter than you did--if that's the case, just say so, and everyone will be delighted to move on. This is characteristically a very welcoming and warm community. It takes effort to piss everyone off, when you've not even made ten posts.
 
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Also, he wasn't lying. All articles and stories submitted to The Rejected Quarterly are accompanied by the rejection slips. A submission has to have at least five and the magazine photocopies and plasters them all over the issue the story or article appears in..

Anonymous wasn't exactly the right word. He used an assumed name when he submitted to those magazines.

I posted this thinking it was humorous and would give encouragement to those writers who've been rejected. After all, this is a forum for rejection/dejection. Instead, most of the responses indicate idiotic hostility.

The few contemporary magazines out there that publish short stories only publish stories by famous writers with long publication credits. Literary magazines are just about the only outlet for obscure writers, and these are run by college kids.

I'm 44 years old. I graduated from college in 1984. I know a lot more now than I did when I graduated so I still ask:

College kids, what do they know?
 
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Macallister,

Again, just like the other guy, you don't know what you're talking about. You don't know what story I'm referring to.

How do you know the stories I'm referring to are not pointless vignettes?

I believe this forum must be for editors, not writers.

"You don't get it, you don't get any of it."

Sounds hostile to me.
 
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Abomination, I think you need to take a deep breath and really read what it is that everyone has written:

  1. Whether or not this particular author was or was not telling the truth is not the point. This is an old stunt. Almost an urban legend. We have heard it and seen it before. It does not speak to the current market or editorial needs.
  2. There are valid reasons that editors, professionals who are experts in their fields, would have rejected that story. Mainly, they might have recognized it as Faulkner. Authorial insanity is a valid reason for rejection.
  3. Magazines and journals other than college literary journals publish stories by firsttime writers all the time. Every writer, at some point in time, was once unpublished. You do not have to be famous to get published; you just have to be a good writer who writes a story that the publication wants.
  4. College and university students work on their literary journals because it gives them experience for the publishing world. However, college and university journals are not the only literary journals out there.
  5. If the markets you are submitting to are not publishing your work, you have two choices: Write something they will publish or Submit elsewhere.
 

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abominationerupts said:
I'm 44 years old. I graduated from college in 1984. I know a lot more now than I did when I graduated so I still ask:

College kids, what do they know?

Age doesn't necessarily bring wisdom.
 

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abominationerupts said:
I'm 44 years old. I graduated from college in 1984. I know a lot more now than I did when I graduated so I still ask:

College kids, what do they know?

Of course you know more than you knew then. You didn't stop living and having experiences and growing as a person just because you graduated college, did you? The experiences you gained in college were designed to help you enter the work force ahead of someone who did not attend college. You gained skills and insights in college that could be used. If electrical engineers are ready to start designing electronic components straight out of college, why do you believe that individuals who studied literature and writing aren't prepared to utilize the skills they gained in college once they graduate?
 

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abominationerupts said:
I'm 44 years old. I graduated from college in 1984. I know a lot more now than I did when I graduated

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And I'm 45 and graduated from college in 1983. I hope to shout that I know more than I did then so of course you do.

That, however, doesn't necessarily mean that you know more than other writers on this forum or elsewhere. I've been a writer since those long ago college years yet I learn from others here - some of which are younger than myself. Some might even be "college kids"!
 

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first all above have true and honest points-I agree. He had-if memory serves the old brain well-a morginal problem getting published originally-he did what so many have done. Wrote brilliantly and KEPT SUBMITTING!
 

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Of course Faulkner couldn't be published today -- he's been dead for over 40 years.

But if he was still alive I'm sure he'd figure out a way to get published. Maybe not with what he was writing 40 years ago but he'd adapt.
 

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johnzakour said:
Of course Faulkner couldn't be published today -- he's been dead for over 40 years.

But if he was still alive I'm sure he'd figure out a way to get published. Maybe not with what he was writing 40 years ago but he'd adapt.

What? You can't be published after you're dead? How about the "Uncollected Stories of William Faulkner"?
 
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