Did I write a romance?

Status
Not open for further replies.

S. L. Saboviec

practical experience, FTW
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jan 25, 2013
Messages
585
Reaction score
109
Location
Toronto
Website
www.saboviec.com
I'm in the process of revising my book and starting my query letter. I had trouble narrowing down genre at first, but finally realized it was solidly fantasy because what else could a book about angels and demons be? However, I then wrote my 2-paragraph synopsis, re-read it, and thought, "Uh-oh, did I just write a romance?"

Not that there's anything inherently wrong with a romance, but I don't read them and so I don't know anything about them. I'm grappling with the question of classifying it as a fantasy, a romantic fantasy, or burning it and crying myself to sleep.

How do I know if I wrote a romantic fantasy or a fantasy with a romantic sub-plot?

To give you an idea of the plot, here's the working version of my 2-paragraph synopsis:

After witnessing the Fall of a former Muse named Asorat, Enael refuses to be distracted from her Guardian angel duties. Yet events continue to push her toward the enigmatic and sensual Voctic, a Guardian who was also in the Garden that day. As she and Voctic become entwined through assignments in the 17th and 18th centuries, she unsuccessfully struggles to force her charges to bend to her will.

When the gender-bending Asorat prematurely ends the life of her human, Enael realizes she can no longer ignore the signs. Voctic's disappearances and emotional instability push their relationship to the limit until she is forced to give up her wings to chase after the angel-turned-demon she loves. [I will sort this out before it goes to an agent, of course, but in case this isn't clear: Voctic becomes a demon and Enael does, too, because she loves him.] The blood on Enael's back is barely dry when she's plunged into the midst of a plot to disrupt the direction of human history, and she must race to stop it before it's too late.
 

Silver-Midnight

Super Member
Registered
Joined
Nov 19, 2011
Messages
4,910
Reaction score
279
Location
rising from the depths of a cup of coffee
Well, Romance, at it's core, is basically a story of two characters falling in love and getting some kind of HEA--happily ever after, i.e., they stay/end up together.

The HEA is what really makes a Romance, a well, Romance. Also the fact that without the relationship there really isn't a story. If it focuses on their relationship and the outcome of their relationship, not just the outcome of it, then it's probably a fantasy romance of some sort.

Again, the area is kind of fishy for me. I'm sure what I gave isn't the best answer but I hope it helps.
 

SelmaW

Follow your heart; take your brain
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jan 25, 2013
Messages
324
Reaction score
25
The key to knowing if your book is romance is - would the story fall apart if you took the romance out? If the relationships between the two MCs is the central aspect of your novel, it's a romance.

It sounds to me from your description like it is, but you'll know best. :)
 

Beachgirl

Not easily managed
Super Member
Registered
Joined
May 5, 2012
Messages
3,848
Reaction score
232
Location
On a beach, of course.
I'm in the process of revising my book and starting my query letter. I had trouble narrowing down genre at first, but finally realized it was solidly fantasy because what else could a book about angels and demons be? However, I then wrote my 2-paragraph synopsis, re-read it, and thought, "Uh-oh, did I just write a romance?"

The whole paranormal/fantasy sub-genre is HUGE in romance markets right now, and has been for some time (angels and demons included). As others have said, is the relationship central to the story? And if it is, do your characters have a Happily Ever After (HEA) or at least a Happy For Now (HFN) ending? If yes, then you've got a Paranormal/Fantasy Romance.
 

S. L. Saboviec

practical experience, FTW
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jan 25, 2013
Messages
585
Reaction score
109
Location
Toronto
Website
www.saboviec.com
The story would definitely fall apart if I took out their relationship. Edit: And they do end in a HFN committed relationship.

But calling it a "paranormal romance" brings down my blood pressure, since, as you've said, there seems to be a lot of agent interest in that. I was thinking PR would be more Twilight and less two angels falling in love and going to hell. Nobody in the book has a romance with a human -- I assume that's still ok?

Looks like I have some research to do!

I was looking at agents that have mentioned their interest in both fantasy and romance. Should I look for those who only mention PR? There is also one who only mentions fantasy and not romance, so perhaps I should take him off my list. Sad, he tweets a lot of helpful information. :(
 

SelmaW

Follow your heart; take your brain
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jan 25, 2013
Messages
324
Reaction score
25
SLS - I've seen a ton of agents say that they'd rather you chance sending something they might not be interested in than risk not seeing something great. I say if it sounds like it might fit and you like the agent, it's worth a shot. :)
 

S. L. Saboviec

practical experience, FTW
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jan 25, 2013
Messages
585
Reaction score
109
Location
Toronto
Website
www.saboviec.com
Makes sense. I'm so new to navigating these waters that I don't want to go overboard and waste anyone's time.

Should I categorize it as "paranormal fiction" or "romantic fantasy" (which is what I was going to use) in my query letters?

I'm still stuck on how I could possibly have written a romance and not realized it. I'm so silly sometimes.
 

SelmaW

Follow your heart; take your brain
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jan 25, 2013
Messages
324
Reaction score
25
These things get away from us ;)

I'd go with paranormal romance as that's what agents are familiar with. If you use an uncommon genre marker, it might make agents hesitant.
 

Beachgirl

Not easily managed
Super Member
Registered
Joined
May 5, 2012
Messages
3,848
Reaction score
232
Location
On a beach, of course.
Makes sense. I'm so new to navigating these waters that I don't want to go overboard and waste anyone's time.

Should I categorize it as "paranormal fiction" or "romantic fantasy" (which is what I was going to use) in my query letters?

I'm still stuck on how I could possibly have written a romance and not realized it. I'm so silly sometimes.

Fantasy Romance or Paranormal Romance would work. Also, many of the romance genre publishers will allow non-agented submissions. Before you go the agent route (which I am in no way discouraging) you might want to see if any of the publishing houses you are interested in will take submissions directly from authors. Most of the romance genre e-publishers do not require agented submissions, either. Just something to think about.
 

S. L. Saboviec

practical experience, FTW
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jan 25, 2013
Messages
585
Reaction score
109
Location
Toronto
Website
www.saboviec.com
Now that I have established that I did, indeed, write a romance story, I read Aunt Cathy's romance lecture series. I was a little confused by the genre/sub-genre master/slave/overloard bits.

She said that a fantasy is defined by world-building, and I did that. In fact, I know for sure I want to tighten up some of the rules once during one of my upcoming revisions. I've even created a map of heaven. ;)

She did imply that I could call it a "paranormal romantic fantasy." I believe it describes the story well. "Paranormal" describes angels/demons, "romantic" describes the relationship, and "fantasy" describes the world-building. Without all three elements, the plot would fail. But it's a mouthful and I \don't want to sound indecisive (despite the fact that I am :D).

I also wonder, although this is a tangent - Because my story is about angels/demons, do I have to include in my pitch that it is NOT faith-based or inspirational? Because it definitely isn't. The world I built bears little resemblence to Western Judeo-Christian beliefs beyond it containing angels and demons. My mother will have a heart-attack when she reads it.

And thank you for the tip about submitting directly to publishers. I didn't know that. I will have to look into it.

Thanks to everyone who has replied; it's helped me think through this. Little did I know that finishing the book was only the first step. :)
 

Beachgirl

Not easily managed
Super Member
Registered
Joined
May 5, 2012
Messages
3,848
Reaction score
232
Location
On a beach, of course.
Now that I have established that I did, indeed, write a romance story, I read Aunt Cathy's romance lecture series. I was a little confused by the genre/sub-genre master/slave/overloard bits.

She said that a fantasy is defined by world-building, and I did that. In fact, I know for sure I want to tighten up some of the rules once during one of my upcoming revisions. I've even created a map of heaven. ;)

She did imply that I could call it a "paranormal romantic fantasy." I believe it describes the story well. "Paranormal" describes angels/demons, "romantic" describes the relationship, and "fantasy" describes the world-building. Without all three elements, the plot would fail. But it's a mouthful and I \don't want to sound indecisive (despite the fact that I am :D).

I also wonder, although this is a tangent - Because my story is about angels/demons, do I have to include in my pitch that it is NOT faith-based or inspirational? Because it definitely isn't. The world I built bears little resemblence to Western Judeo-Christian beliefs beyond it containing angels and demons. My mother will have a heart-attack when she reads it.

And thank you for the tip about submitting directly to publishers. I didn't know that. I will have to look into it.

Thanks to everyone who has replied; it's helped me think through this. Little did I know that finishing the book was only the first step. :)

I think Paranormal Fantasy Romance would work, based on your description. The "Romance" part is usually the last word, as that is what grounds your story and your genre. And don't worry about it being a mouthful - agents/publishers/readers in this genre are used to it. Heck, my publisher listed my first book as Paranormal Sci-fi Futuristic Shifter Romance, or some such.

The non-spiritual bit shouldn't be an issue, since you're not marketing it as Inspirational Fiction. Romance publishers are perfectly used to angels and demons running around doing all sorts of naughty things. ;)
 

MsLaylaCakes

Playing the waiting game
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Nov 5, 2012
Messages
343
Reaction score
26
Location
Places where there are APOs
Website
www.taraquan.com
If it's not set in present day (you did say 17-18th Century right?), it might be less paranormal and more fantasy (just something to think about, it's splitting hairs really).

Just because of the similarity, might I suggest you read the blurbs of Nalini Singh's Guild Hunter series? If it's written in that vein, you can always insert "my novel is reminiscent of AUTHOR's BOOKNAME/SERIES", which makes it clearer where in the spectrum of Fantasy--Paranormal Romance it lies. Agents/Publishers usually list the names of famous authors in their preferred genre, so it'll help with your list too.
 

S. L. Saboviec

practical experience, FTW
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jan 25, 2013
Messages
585
Reaction score
109
Location
Toronto
Website
www.saboviec.com
Interesting, I would say that mine is reminiscent of this series, but I couldn't say for sure unless I read it. Mine definitely has moments of darkness and violence, although it's done by humans to each other or by the demon to the humans. That's the only bit that makes me unsure of saying it's a romance, since it sounds that readers of romance tend to stay away from darker books.

Thanks for the suggestion!
 

MsLaylaCakes

Playing the waiting game
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Nov 5, 2012
Messages
343
Reaction score
26
Location
Places where there are APOs
Website
www.taraquan.com
I wouldn't worry on that account. A lot of romances, paranormal especially, can be very dark. As long as the focus of the story is on the hero and heroine, and there is a HEA ending, it's still a romance.
 

Dominique Eastwick

Registered
Joined
Aug 8, 2011
Messages
27
Reaction score
2
Location
Raleigh NC
I wouldn't worry on that account. A lot of romances, paranormal especially, can be very dark. As long as the focus of the story is on the hero and heroine, and there is a HEA ending, it's still a romance.

I totally agree. The number one rule for romance is the HEA. Romance readers want to know that the couple or in some cases more ;) go on after to the story to ride off into the sunset.

As for the subgenres. I have found that Paranormal tends to lean towards Vampires, Shifters, Demons ect. Where Fantasy lends itself to more open discription. But they are interchangeable. And yes there are light and dark romances out there for everyones tastes.

What I would suggest is going to Amazon or a site like All Romance Ebooks and looking through their genres. See what after looking at the books in their categories your books fits best with.

Best of luck :)
 

MumblingSage

Inarticulate Herb
Super Member
Registered
Joined
May 15, 2008
Messages
2,308
Reaction score
349
Location
in a certain state of mind
If it's not set in present day (you did say 17-18th Century right?), it might be less paranormal and more fantasy (just something to think about, it's splitting hairs really).

Just because of the similarity, might I suggest you read the blurbs of Nalini Singh's Guild Hunter series? If it's written in that vein, you can always insert "my novel is reminiscent of AUTHOR's BOOKNAME/SERIES", which makes it clearer where in the spectrum of Fantasy--Paranormal Romance it lies. Agents/Publishers usually list the names of famous authors in their preferred genre, so it'll help with your list too.

Whatever genre it is, it sounds like something I'd be interested in reading!

There are also a handful of publishers--Luna Books comes to mind, and also Samhain--that specifically seek out fantasy/romance books where the relationship and speculative fiction aspects are both very strong.
 

acockey

Bronies, Bronies Everywhere
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Aug 20, 2010
Messages
447
Reaction score
39
Location
St. Petersburg, FL
@SL Sabvitch Have you considered the possibility that you are a Romance writer in disguise

I once considered myself a pure fantasy writer then I started noticing that all my fantasy stories involved a man and woman in love. Examine your writing.

Defining what your writing can go a long way to understanding yourself as an artist. Or I am just full of BS, either way, enjoy the ride
 

S. L. Saboviec

practical experience, FTW
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jan 25, 2013
Messages
585
Reaction score
109
Location
Toronto
Website
www.saboviec.com
Thank you, MumblingSage, for the encouragement! It's good to know there's at least one person out there that finds my story idea interesting!! (Well, me, too, or I wouldn't have written, but you know how it goes.)

acockey, you're probably right, I might actually be a romance writer. Even the word "romance" makes me think of fainting women. Which is not what romance today is (as far as I know). I will have to consider that as I revise and start my next work.

I will admit that a lot of what I wrote 10-ish years ago in college would fall under the category of "romance." I mean, "erotica" is romance, right? A-heh.
 

Beachgirl

Not easily managed
Super Member
Registered
Joined
May 5, 2012
Messages
3,848
Reaction score
232
Location
On a beach, of course.
I will admit that a lot of what I wrote 10-ish years ago in college would fall under the category of "romance." I mean, "erotica" is romance, right? A-heh.

:D The erotic romance genre is HUGE right now. The difference between erotica and erotic romance is this: the romance between the two MCs (or three, or four...) must drive the story and they must get that HEA or HFN.

But, yeah. Lots of people want more than the fade-to-black, closed door romance. They want to see all the gritty details.
 

S. L. Saboviec

practical experience, FTW
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jan 25, 2013
Messages
585
Reaction score
109
Location
Toronto
Website
www.saboviec.com
:D The erotic romance genre is HUGE right now. The difference between erotica and erotic romance is this: the romance between the two MCs (or three, or four...) must drive the story and they must get that HEA or HFN.

But, yeah. Lots of people want more than the fade-to-black, closed door romance. They want to see all the gritty details.

And why not? :D

Is Fifty Shades considered erotica or erotic romance?
 

Beachgirl

Not easily managed
Super Member
Registered
Joined
May 5, 2012
Messages
3,848
Reaction score
232
Location
On a beach, of course.
And why not? :D

Is Fifty Shades considered erotica or erotic romance?

50 Shades is considered erotic romance, since the story focuses on their romance and they end up together. As much as many of us hate to admit it, that series has been a huge boost to the erotic romance market.
 

gingerwoman

Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jun 27, 2007
Messages
2,551
Reaction score
229
I'm in the process of revising my book and starting my query letter. I had trouble narrowing down genre at first, but finally realized it was solidly fantasy because what else could a book about angels and demons be? However, I then wrote my 2-paragraph synopsis, re-read it, and thought, "Uh-oh, did I just write a romance?"

Not that there's anything inherently wrong with a romance, but I don't read them and so I don't know anything about them. I'm grappling with the question of classifying it as a fantasy, a romantic fantasy, or burning it and crying myself to sleep.

How do I know if I wrote a romantic fantasy or a fantasy with a romantic sub-plot?

To give you an idea of the plot, here's the working version of my 2-paragraph synopsis:

After witnessing the Fall of a former Muse named Asorat, Enael refuses to be distracted from her Guardian angel duties. Yet events continue to push her toward the enigmatic and sensual Voctic, a Guardian who was also in the Garden that day. As she and Voctic become entwined through assignments in the 17th and 18th centuries, she unsuccessfully struggles to force her charges to bend to her will.

When the gender-bending Asorat prematurely ends the life of her human, Enael realizes she can no longer ignore the signs. Voctic's disappearances and emotional instability push their relationship to the limit until she is forced to give up her wings to chase after the angel-turned-demon she loves. [I will sort this out before it goes to an agent, of course, but in case this isn't clear: Voctic becomes a demon and Enael does, too, because she loves him.] The blood on Enael's back is barely dry when she's plunged into the midst of a plot to disrupt the direction of human history, and she must race to stop it before it's too late.
You should be glad. There are a lot more editors and agents looking for romance than most other genres. You need to weigh how much of the book is spent on elements other than the romance arc. You may have written fantasy with strong romantic elements or you may have written a paranormal romance.
The three 50shades books as a trilogy end up being an erotic romance. The emphasis is far more on the relationship than the heroine's journey which makes it more romance than erotica. The first book by itself is not a romance by itself because it does not have a happy ending.

To address another comment of yours I would not agree that readers of romance shy away from more gritty topics. SOME definitely do but others do not.
A lot of paranormal romance and romantic suspense is quite dark.
 
Last edited:

gingerwoman

Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jun 27, 2007
Messages
2,551
Reaction score
229
I'm in the process of revising my book and starting my query letter. I had trouble narrowing down genre at first, but finally realized it was solidly fantasy because what else could a book about angels and demons be? However, I then wrote my 2-paragraph synopsis, re-read it, and thought, "Uh-oh, did I just write a romance?"

Not that there's anything inherently wrong with a romance, but I don't read them and so I don't know anything about them. I'm grappling with the question of classifying it as a fantasy, a romantic fantasy, or burning it and crying myself to sleep.

How do I know if I wrote a romantic fantasy or a fantasy with a romantic sub-plot?

To give you an idea of the plot, here's the working version of my 2-paragraph synopsis:

After witnessing the Fall of a former Muse named Asorat, Enael refuses to be distracted from her Guardian angel duties. Yet events continue to push her toward the enigmatic and sensual Voctic, a Guardian who was also in the Garden that day. As she and Voctic become entwined through assignments in the 17th and 18th centuries, she unsuccessfully struggles to force her charges to bend to her will.

When the gender-bending Asorat prematurely ends the life of her human, Enael realizes she can no longer ignore the signs. Voctic's disappearances and emotional instability push their relationship to the limit until she is forced to give up her wings to chase after the angel-turned-demon she loves. [I will sort this out before it goes to an agent, of course, but in case this isn't clear: Voctic becomes a demon and Enael does, too, because she loves him.] The blood on Enael's back is barely dry when she's plunged into the midst of a plot to disrupt the direction of human history, and she must race to stop it before it's too late.
You should be glad. There are a lot more editors and agents looking for romance than most other genres. You need to weigh how much of the book is spent on elements other than the romance arc. You may have written fantasy with strong romantic elements, or you may have written a paranormal romance.
The 50shades books as a trilogy end up being an erotic romance. The emphasis is far more on the relationship than the heroine's journey which makes it more romance than erotica. The first book by itself is not a romance by itself because it does not have a happy ending.

To address another comment of yours I would not agree that readers of romance shy away from more gritty topics. SOME definitely do but others do not.
A lot of paranormal romance and romantic suspense is quite dark.
Mainstream romance is getting more and more explicit sexually. Unless sex and the sexual relationship is a major focus of your book you may not have an erotic romance.
 

S. L. Saboviec

practical experience, FTW
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jan 25, 2013
Messages
585
Reaction score
109
Location
Toronto
Website
www.saboviec.com
I cannot get through the first Fifty Shades book. I mean, it's not a bad read, but the book just ... I don't know. Doesn't quite feel all the way thought out. And that's interesting that it's an erotic romance because I would have classified it as erotica. Perhaps there's more romance in the 2nd and 3rd books.

What about the Beauty saga by Anne Rice writing under a pseudonym? I'm pretty sure that was erotica, right?

I think that the reason I can't see myself being a romance writer is because I can't picture creating a story starting with the idea of a guy and a girl falling in love. I started with the world in this book and then the story developed from there. Another other reason is that to this day, I still refer to my MC as "he" in conversations with people about my book until I correct myself. I envisioned all angels in my book as "he" -- because I didn't want to refer to them as "it" -- until I consciously decided to add females and decided to make my MC a female. But she's still not really a female, since angels don't have genitalia ... Until they want to. :)
 
Status
Not open for further replies.