My experience with Publish America

nikkinoffsinger

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Hi, I am very new to all of this. My name is Nikki Noffsinger. I am 35 years old and I have loved to write since I was a young child. I have literally tubs and boxes full of notebooks and folders of things I have written. In high school I wrote a short story about a vampire who stalked a young woman and the vampire was evil incarnate. Before I go any further-I have always been a horror movie fan especially with vampires but Im not one of those who have went over to the other side with it. Okay now back to my story, any how it was just a short story that I played with and put away. It was not until my sister found it that she begged me to go somewhere with it. I didn't want to because writing to me is so intimate and I am always the worst critic of myself. Anyhow after she kept on and on, I began to write some with it. Now, this comes after the whole Twilight phenom but I in NO WAY was trying to copy Stephanie Meyers but instead of a complete horror story that was going really no where I invited more characters and developed it more. I was like a woman possessed writing and filling up 4 composition notebooks. I let her read it-I mean I thought at this point that it was more of a gift to her and the proof I could write more than just short stories. She begged me to type it out and I humored her and well I have to admit it got my mouth wet to see how much more I could give my story. I did so and a little under 400 pages of rewrites and grammar corrections and additions as well as subtractions I handed her the disk. My sister began submitting it. The first was to a WLA and when they contacted me at first I experienced a moment of euphoric exhaultation until I did some searching and found them to be a scam. So I was a bit down hearted. My sister kept urging me to send it out and to find someone. Reluctantly I started. I want to stop right here and go on to say that I admire writers so much more because to get someone just to resond even if its a denial is an act of God I think. I got few denials and more no responses. So it was then one night when I couldn't sleep that I came upon Publish America. I read every inch of the site and like an idiot submitted expecting to hear nothing or another denial. A week passed and I got a call-an actual phone call. Now during this time I had looked up PA and there was alot of unflattering comments. Then I started getting emails from other PA authors and had ppl calling me and I thought well maybe its not as bad as ppl say. Well I am here to tell you that I did everything they asked and what I got was what everyone said ppl like me would get! For one, my book is a 30 dollar soft cover that is ill constructed and written-Now I use spell check ALOT because taking 3 years of French ruined my spelling but I have taken college courses and my conception of grammar as well as sentence structure is not that of a 5th grader who is failing English. I am mortified and humiliated and I feel like there is a big flashing neon sign that says, "I TOLD YOU SO" somewhere going off. I don't understand how these places even with their open but vague contracts can operate! I really cannot believe it! I can't do book signings because even chains like Borders and Books A Million will not carry a book that costs that much and I can't afford to buy consigned copies. I love to write and I still believe what I wrote was a good story but I feel a bit lost and heartbroken. So having a friend by the name of Diane Taylor that writes for an Ebook Publishing company she sent me to Author's Den and then to here so here I am. I feel broken up but I don't want to give up-at least I don't want to be at the end of my life wondering what could have been because I didn't try! So are there any otehrs out there that is where I am? Did you get published? Did you ever escape PA in tact? How can we get these places shut down or can we?
 

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Welcome! :welcome:

I signed a contract with PA in the fall of 2008. One of the worst decisions I've ever made. I've been trying to get out of my contract ever since, to no avail. PA staff do read these threads, so if you are trying to get your rights back, you may not want to use your real name here.

I know that euphoric feeling you wrote about. I had it, too. I believed PA read my manuscript and thought it was worth publishing. Unfortunately, that just isn't true.

The best advice I've been given is keep writing. Also, the more you write, the better you will get at writing. Visit the other areas here at AW (I know it's a big place, but you will find very helpful people here) and learn as much as you can.

PA may have your book for seven years, but you can make a choice not to be a victim, keep writing, and work on your next book. PA only wins if we stop writing.
 

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Thanks Merrihiatt! I don't intend on being a victim and I have HOOTS more stories and maybe even some that are better than the one I sold them. I am learning quickly about how not to be such a naieve person. I don't think i could stop writing even if I wasn't trying to get published. I just hope that more ppl see them for what they are and not what they portray themselves to be and perhaps when they've screwed over enough ppl and broken enough dreams they'll be forced to either go legit or close shop.
 

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*HUUUUGS!* Big super hugs.

I luckily found this place before I started submitting and learned about the scams before I started, but I definitely understand. I haven't been published yet, I'm going through yet another major rewrite of my book, and there are an awful lot of non-responders out there these days.

Anyway, you've come to the right place. You've got a whole forum full of people here who understand and who are in the same boat. This place will help you improve your writing (Uncle Jim's threads in the Novels forum are priceless), learn how to edit better, learn about how the publishing industry works, and even help you write that dreaded query letter and make it sparkle.

You shouldn't give up. You fell into a trap, but now you know it for what it is and you can get back out. Now the main thing to do is learn what you can from the mistake, know you aren't alone, and keep writing.

Next time you've got something ready to submit, you're in one of the best places you can be. You can come down to the Share Your Work area and have us help you out with your query letter (or just other random snippets if you'd like a critique), you can screen agents and publishers on the Beware and Background Checks forum, and you have plenty of people here to answer questions when you have them.

In the meantime, have another *Hug* and know that you've got plenty of moral support here. :)
 

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Nikki,

The places you sent your book before PA - were they agents or publishers? Most publishers want to work with agents, so if you're going to try for publication again, try sending a query to agents, not publishers. You can post it in the Share Your Work section here for help if you want some outside eyes on it.

There is life after PA, and some of the authors on this site are proof of that. They've gone on to sell other books to commercial publishers.
 

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I'm so sorry to hear this happened to you. I got sucked into a publishing scam years ago, (not PublishAmerica, but one that's just about as well known.) Luckily, the piece I lost was, to put it nicely, not the crowning jewel of my literary career.

Keep on writing and if professional publication is your goal, keep on working towards it. You've got plenty of people on the journey here with you. :)
 

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The places I sent my book were first all the ones that took submissions that were from books I already had such as Kennsington,St.Martins Press, Avon books, Signet, ect. Then I went to the Writers Beware who had literary agents/publishers that were listed on their sites as legit. Then I scanned the web for literary agents and most were bunk but there were a few like 3 Seas Literary Agency and Great Wolf Publishing-but they are only for biographies,autobiographies, and religeous(not my bag baby). I think the total was about 70-74 copies both electronic and via snail mail. Out of all those sent out, I got maybe 8-14 responses back. It is REALLY hard to get any of these ppl to look at your work is my whole thought and I was in a low point and found PA. I actually got a phone call from them and I was ecstatic. The rest you read about in my original post.

Nikki,

The places you sent your book before PA - were they agents or publishers? Most publishers want to work with agents, so if you're going to try for publication again, try sending a query to agents, not publishers. You can post it in the Share Your Work section here for help if you want some outside eyes on it.

There is life after PA, and some of the authors on this site are proof of that. They've gone on to sell other books to commercial publishers.
 

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Nikki don't let that bother you or bully you into stop writing.Write something else in the mean time. I wrote Pa lots of emails and so on and in the end they told me to send 300 $ to try to end my contract. I got 4 years left and on principle i decided to wait it out. About other publishers..seriously i have a better , much better story and manuscript that around 100 people (friends and strangers) have read and say it was simply amazing and that this would be the next big thing. I sent it to almost 150 publishers of all sorts and 250 agents and all of them turned it down saying that it was not the work but the business was subjective and the recession called them to put the same old in stores because they knew they would sell it.
In the end...you just continue and hope
 

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Nikki don't let that bother you or bully you into stop writing.Write something else in the mean time. I wrote Pa lots of emails and so on and in the end they told me to send 300 $ to try to end my contract. I got 4 years left and on principle i decided to wait it out. About other publishers..seriously i have a better , much better story and manuscript that around 100 people (friends and strangers) have read and say it was simply amazing and that this would be the next big thing. I sent it to almost 150 publishers of all sorts and 250 agents and all of them turned it down saying that it was not the work but the business was subjective and the recession called them to put the same old in stores because they knew they would sell it.
In the end...you just continue and hope

Nice slam at the work of those of us who did manage to get published during the recession. Yep, my "same old" was picked up by the first publisher who saw it. I guess it was craptacular enough.

Good luck with your revolutionary creative wonderfulness.
 

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Nice slam at the work of those of us who did manage to get published during the recession. Yep, my "same old" was picked up by the first publisher who saw it. I guess it was craptacular enough.

Good luck with your revolutionary creative wonderfulness.

Ditto.

Also, I call shenanigans. I seriously, seriously doubt a publisher actually sent you a rejection that said, "Unfortunately, we have to keep publishing crap because we know it will sell." Give me a break.

Our rule here is "Respect your fellow writer," overfiend. Some of those fellow writers are published. Just FYI.