I just submitted my contract and info. to Publish America...TELL ME WHAT IS THE DEAL

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Hi, I found this message board by googling anything about Publish America

I recently submitted my story and paperwork to Publish America all excited and now I am reading all this crap about the company.

What is the deal? Is this place really bad?

I am a first time, yes naive, writer, and I was exited that this place accepted my story- actually I was rather surprised......everyone else rejected me telling me I wasn't ready and here comes PA all ready to accept anything.
My friends thought I was being negative to be surprised that anyone would accept my writing, but I really had a feeling about this place. I went along with everything anyway.

So, PLEASE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT IS the realistic deal with PA? Don't just tell me horror stories. I want facts.

I heard about PA through a friend I used to play in an APA pool leauge with. He handed me a cop of the book he wrote and published with PA.

I decided to try the company so I went on their site and submitted my stuff.

About a week or so later they emailed me back sying they accepted it. I only sent them a few chapters because at the time I wasn't finished writing it yet.

They said they are giving me until Oct 1,08 to finish the book, edit it and send it back to them.

So, anyone that has dealt with them, tell me what is up.

The contact said royalties at 8%, and my friend that reviewed the contract said that was reasonable and that people in the music recording industry sometimes get less of a percentage in royalties.
 

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PA is a boil on the butt of humanity. It is as bad as you've heard and probably worse. THEY DO NOT REJECT BOOKS. THEY ACCEPT THEM ALL. And you, as the author, as expected to buy copies of your books yourself. Don't be fooled by that $1 royalty! It's a scam! Their books don't get into bookstores--overpriced and unedited, the authors are expected to sell the books themselves. In this fashion, the company gets thousands of dollars of your money and you won't make a dime.

Others will be along soon to help you. Trust me.

Welcome to AW and flee PA while you can! FLEE!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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I decided to try the company so I went on their site and submitted my stuff.

About a week or so later they emailed me back sying they accepted it. I only sent them a few chapters because at the time I wasn't finished writing it yet.

They said they are giving me until Oct 1,08 to finish the book, edit it and send it back to them.

That's your first sign right there. No legitimate publishing house will accept a book for publication based on a few chapters, much less a week later. Truth is, PublishAmerica will accept anything thrown their way.

I was sucked into PA also, and I can tell you from experience: RUN

If you are expecting your book to be stocked in bookstores, think again. They will do no promotion, overprice your book, and try to sell you back copies. Please, go with your gut instinct on this one, you will not be sorry. Browse the PublishAmerica forum here to get a bit of insight into how this company works. I suggest reading the NEPAT thread.

I'll let more experienced members of the forum tell you more, as my knowledge of PA's inner workings is limited.

BTW, welcome to AW and stick around.

P.S. If you, the author, think your manuscript is not ready for publication, then it isn't. Don't let PA tell you otherwise.
 

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First, don't compare what writers get with what people in other professions make. Professional sports players make millions. That doesn't mean every profession should. And that 8% is net, not cover price, which is how most real publishers pay writers. They can take out the price of their lightbulbs if they want before they give you your money. Most PA royalty checks are for a few dollars at best, and many are for $0.00. However long you spent writing your book, I'm sure you'd agree it's worth more than your $1.00 "advance."

Since you haven't yet finished the book, you don't have to lose it to PA. Just send them back their dollar and tell them you wish to terminate the contract.

And consider this fact: they accepted your book without having read all of it (or any of it, for that matter). How could they possibly know it's any good? To use my earlier sports analogy, that would be like a pro football team taking anybody who walked onto the field without seeing how good a player they are. Would you trust them to have a good football team?

I don't know if you're a good writer. I don't know if you can write books to a publishable level. I do know that PublishAmerica doesn't know if you can, either.

There are a lot of stickied threads in this forum that will give you facts about why PA is a bad place to submit to.
 

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So, PLEASE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT IS the realistic deal with PA? Don't just tell me horror stories. I want facts.

In this case, the horror stories ARE the facts. Hands down, the worst vanity printer than any writer could land with. The only alternative you will have is to purchase your own overpriced books in bulk and street-sell them.

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I want facts.

With due respect, I'm not sure you do. The facts about PA are easily found all over this forum.

What you seem to be wanting is someone to tell you that its really not that bad and that despite all the negative, PA isn't horrible.

Well, sorry. That isn't going to happen here. It IS that bad. PA IS that horrible.

If you have aspirations for a career in writing that consist of anything greater than publishing a book (note, a book that very possibly isn't ready for publication) that will only be read by close friends and family then stay far, far away from PA.
 

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hm

thanks for everyone's replies.
well, i have finished my book and have begun typing it.

It is a very good book, just lacking in some proper punctuation.

Well, they haven't sent me any 1.00 yet. They haven't sent me anything actually.

The only thing I did so far with them is send them back the signed contract and fill out some Author Bio.

Well I want to do it because a friend of mine got his published, I have it-he gave it to me, as I said earlier-so PA DOES do something at least. I don't really care if it's not in bookstores or not.
Just having it done and finished is something.
Well yeah clearly it would be good to have it shown-but....I can always promote it myself.

If you want I can show you my story. It really is a good story! It's like the Sandra Brown romance/murder types.

Anyway, well.....but I want you all to tell me some real reasons. Don't just replying with "they suck"

They end up giving you a finished product, right? So, then what's wrong?
 

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There are better options for getting a finished product if that's all you want. Lulu.com is one of them.
 

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*sigh*

Fair enough. Facts. I'll be the fact finder for this mission. To start off with, from Preditors & Editors, a free internet database that helps authors find reputable agents and publishers:



PublishAmerica (aka PA, aka AmErica House): A vanity press with a poor contract. Numerous writer complaints. Author mill and plagiarist. Strongly not recommended. "A royalty publisher capable of offering publishing contracts to all varieties of authors. Royalties paid, no fees ever charged, no agents required." Claimed in an Associated Press article that it pays an advance up to $1,000.
More information can be found at Writers Net, Absolute Write, Mindsight (be sure to read all the June 2003 archives), The Writer's Den, here, and here. Writers considering this publisher should visit the PublishAmerica forums and read any topics concerning pricing and distribution, though visitors are urged to read quickly as PA frequently deletes topics that show them in a bad light. Writers can visit Scrivener's Error to read the words of an independent lawyer who possesses intellectual property expertise or read an interview in the San Antonio Current dated 6/24/2004, where Miranda Prather, executive director at PublishAmerica, states, "It's a common myth that bookstore placement equals sales." Furthermore, writers have reported that books published by PA are not considered creditable for membership in the RWA, the Author's Guild, and the Writer's Guild. Further information is available in this Washington Post article dated 20 Jan 2005, where Larry Clopper, PA CEO, admits that he and Willem Meiners came up with the phrase "traditional publisher" to differentiate their company from the vanity publishers even though PA is unlike other publishers that charge no fees.

Here are links to other articles on the web detailing facts about PublishAmerica: WNBC.COM Ask Asa, The Frederick News-Post, An Interview with a PA Bestselling Author, and PA's Response to Writers Concerning Bad Publicity by PA's Author Support.

Concerning PublishAmerica, the BBB of Greater Maryland, Inc. has declared as of 2/20/05 that, "Based on BBB files, this company has an unsatisfactory record with the Bureau due to a pattern of complaints. Complaints generally allege lack of promotion of authors' books and inaccurate record keeping with respect to books sold and commissions due. The company has responded to most complaints but has not responded to others. The number of complaints increased during 2004."

5/9/05: P&E's editor notes that PA has rejoined the BBB as a member in good standing with no complaints against it. Is this the action of an honest publisher when there are still many writers formerly published by PA whose complaints have not been resolved?

New writers may want to check Publish America, Yes or No? for an unbiased comparison of PublishAmerica to other publishers.


PA has stated it prefers communicating by email. If you have questions concerning PublishAmerica, you may want to contact one of the following at PA:

Executive officers:
Larry Clopper (Company President), Willem Meiners (CEO), and Miranda Prather (Executive Director).
Jessica Lewis, Janet Morrissey, and Michele Omran - General Partners.
Employees:
Leah Baird, Sandee Baker, Kate Barnett, Pat Barto, Sarah Becker, Lyn Brennan, Stacy Brown, Selena Brewer, Loretta Burdette, Janis Cadle (Assistant Acquisitions Editor), Walter Chalkley, Victor E. Cretella, III (attorney), Nikol Destatte, Yael Edelstein, Rebecca S. Embree, Briana Finui, Melanie Gorr, Tania Grab, Charles W. Gray (Assistant Acquisitions Editor), Amy Grant, Tressa Grizzle, Kelly Hartman, Donald Harver, Lynn Hasty, Andrea Higgins, Theresa Hummer, Alice King (alleged to have filed false charges against a PA writer for alleged email harrassment.), Jaime Long, Jon Todd Markowitz, Katherine Michaud, Paula Mills, Santo Mirabile, Claudia Nese, Ashley Patterson, Jamie Polychronis, Claudia Prather, Marie Raeder, Holliann Russell (Public Relations), Anthony Saavedra, Danielle Shenos, Nichole Shuman, Darcy Smittenaar (Public Relations, known to send termination letters), Jeni Watterson, Shawn Street (Public Relations), and Bonnie Williamson.
The following are PA email addresses for which a full name isn't available:
Colleen, jeannetteg (pre-production contact), Jessica (Author Support Team), Kelli (Author Support Team), Lily, Marilyn (Author Support), Michelle, Natalie, Sherry (editor), Shawn (possibly Shawn Street) (Author Support), and Amanda.
Crossed out names have been reported by unverified sources as no longer working at PA.
P&E Seeks Publishing Information
If your manuscript was rejected by PublishAmerica, please email P&E so that we can accumulate statistics for use in verifying or refuting that publisher's claims. Your name and the title of any work will remain confidential as a journalistic resource. If you know an author whose work was rejected by PublishAmerica, please ask that author to contact P&E.


The total reported rejected is: 73
Editor's note: Based upon rejection reports at other sites, because most writers are eager to contribute information, this number should be considerably larger even if only one percent of all authors who submitted to PublishAmerica were to report their rejections. PublishAmerica claims to reject eighty percent of what's submitted to them. Based upon PublishAmerica's earlier claims of 10,000 accepted authors (which is now 25,000), that means they rejected at least 40,000 manuscripts. One percent of that would be four hundred.


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Were you published by PublishAmerica and subsequently banned from their forum either formally or by having your password suddenly deactivated?

The total reported banned is: 40


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If you were published by PublishAmerica, have your royalty statements accurately reflected the number of books that you know were ordered?

The total of authors reporting inaccurate statements is: 47
and the total reporting accurate statements is: 3


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If you were published by PublishAmerica, have you since decided you want out of their contract? If you have already been released from their contract, P&E would also like to know.

The total authors reported wanting out is: 65
and the total contracts reported (by email to P&E) terminated is: 20


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If you were published by PublishAmerica, do you feel your book was reasonably priced?

The total reported for Yes is: 0
and for No is: 51



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If you were published by PublishAmerica, do you feel your book was properly edited by PublishAmerica?

The total reported for Yes is: 3
and for No is: 39


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If you were published by PublishAmerica, were you unable to get your books stocked in major bookstores?

The total reported for Able is: 5
and for Unable is: 29
Editor's note: additional inventory numbers are available at the web site of Publish America, Yes or No. (This site is no longer available.)



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If you were published by PublishAmerica, how many copies of your book were sold through PublishAmerica's bookstore and other bookstores? Please include the book title and do not count copies you purchased using your author discount.

The total reported for More than 1000 is: 0
More than 100 is: 2
and for Less than 100 is: 19


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Have you been threatened by the police as a result of PublishAmerica filing false charges or allegations?

The total thus far is: 2


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Total individuals responding to one or more of these questions: 204


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An update to PublishAmerica's NYT Ad Sales Results: In 2004, PublishAmerica informed its authors that the New York Times had approached it with an offer to do something as partners. That turned out to be nothing more than a sales call for an ad which PA agreed to. PA then advised its authors that it would list their top ten selling authors for the month of August in the ad that would premiere in the 19 Sep 04 edition of the NYT.
Well, that ad appeared and there were ten PA published authors listed. However, some research into those authors revealed that their sales appear to have been all self-purchased. How do we know this? Because such information is available from Amazon.com, Barnes and Noble, and Ingrams, to name a few. In fact, we invite our site visitors to view those statistics for themselves at Absolute Write's Bewares and Background section of their forum.

By the way, if you caught that ad in the NYT, did you notice that ads for other books generally featured the publisher's name in small print and the books in large print? PA's ad featured the two in reverse. Do you think PA needs to learn more about how to market its wares?

PublishAmerica's second NYT ad appeared on 31 Oct 04. As before, the top sellers from PA showed very poor public sales. Statistics for those PublishAmerica top sellers can be found at Absolute Write's Bewares and Background Check. In the meantime, writers should consider this very closely. How can the reading public even order your book if the publisher doesn't put the ISBN in the ad? Do you think PA needs to learn more about how to market its wares?

PublishAmerica's third ad has appeared in the NYT. Like the second ad, it was smaller than what PublishAmerica first claimed it would purchase. Like their second ad, it failed to give enough advertizing to the books rather than the company. Statistics for the new list of top selling PublishAmerica books can be viewed at Absolute Write's Bewares and Background Check. Do you think PA needs to learn more about how to market its wares?

These linked statistics were all researched and compiled by author James D. Macdonald. P&E thanks him on behalf of writers everywhere.

Additionally, in a letter to the Maryland Attorney General's office, PublishAmerica claimed that they spent over $50,000.00 for three half-page ads. In actuallity, PublishAmerica purchased a single half-page ad and a pair of two-fifths of a page ads. Based upon the NYT's ad rates, that comes up to only $46,195.00 in total. Not unexpectedly, PublishAmerica's claim has turned out to be yet another exaggeration on their part.

3/14/05: A response to a writer from Barnes & Noble concerning PublishAmerica books.

Dear Memory McDermott,

Your letter to Mary Ellen Keating was forwarded to me for a response as my
department manages the business relationships Barnes & Noble has with new
start up publishers, and self-published authors, like yourself.

All the titles PublishAmerica produces are available to Barnes & Noble
customers either through orders in the stores, or online via Barnes &
Noble.com (www.bn.com). The books are printed (on demand) when they are
ordered, and shipped to the customer's home or back to the store for
customer pick up. The terms for Publish America titles are not competitive
in the trade bookstore marketplace: the books are non-returnable, the
discount is not favorable, and most of the titles including Tea for Two
Nature's Apothecary are about $5.00 over the going price for titles in the
category. These factors in combination inform our decision not to stock the
titles in the stores, and for the stores to decide not to do an event with
the titles.

I hope this information is helpful.

Marcella A Smith
Director Small Press & Vendor Relations
Barnes & Noble, Inc
122 Fifth Avenue
New York, NY 10011
4/7/05: The New Three Stooges and The POD Squad features a compendium of facts concerning PublishAmerica compiled by a former PA writer.

4/8/05: The Only Thing You Need to Know About PublishAmerica features more facts (with sources) about PublishAmerica.

4/13/05: Once more, PublishAmerica is in the news.

4/21/05: Mug An Author Dot Com teaches the fundamentals of running a simple scam.

4/24/05: Sarashay's Wholly Unoffical PublishAmerica Controversy FAQ gives an outsider's view.

4/24/05: New York Times weighs in on self-publishing.

5/3/05: PublishAmerica Sting gives the story of Atlanta Nights.

5/20/05: Truth About PA teaches advanced principles of running a simple scam.

6/3/05: About Half of Americans Reading a Book according to Gallup Poll while Miranda Prather, executive director at PublishAmerica, states, "It's a common myth that bookstore placement equals sales." Miranda, looks like you're wrong.

6/19/05: Gee! Even Punjabi people can see what's going on around them as evidenced in Onlypunjab.com.

7/14/07: PublishAmerica's lawyer Victor Cretella infringing contract? This is what we've had reported to P&E. According to our source, Vic has infringed upon or is breaching the terms of a contract in regards to the Arbitration clause. So, is this how PA operates? They don't honor their contracts or show any good faith even when it comes to negotiations and arbitration?

7/21/05 - Gee, how low can you go? Evidently, PA can limbo beneath the belly of a snake as evidenced by a recent review that was posted on their site that they edited to reflect a distorted view of what was actually stated. Here are the two versions with the original critical review on the top. By the way, it was deliberately written like that to make a point about PA's lack of editing:

PA made me a Plublished Arthur
Published Arthur Mick
Essex, UK (7/21/2005)
This book is a work of jeanuous. The arthur says why bokstores are no good and PA will slay big publoishers = he even has my name in his book with all the uther arthurs. Like me and my publishedamercan books 'Nobody Abused Me' and the secwel 'Living With Not Being Abused,' Mister Minors went the cheeper no-chellspecker root so you can sea our works on show in bookplaces from see to shinin see qicker., PA sez they resonate and weer eleet arthurs. That:s good enuff for me: my book got the chance it deserved. Best book I've luked at since Ten Per Cent of Nothing
 

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There are much better options for getting a finished product if that's all you want. Lulu.com is one of them.

Echoing MeowGirl.
You'd be better off going with Lulu.com. At least they don't bind you in a 7-year contract and turn you every which way but loose. Just go with Lulu and promote that way. I'm getting a sense you're a little too eager to publish it ASAP, and there's nothing wrong with that, but if you want a real career in writing, it certainly isn't going to happen with PA.
 

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Well I want to do it because a friend of mine got his published, I have it-he gave it to me, as I said earlier-so PA DOES do something at least. I don't really care if it's not in bookstores or not.
Just having it done and finished is something.
Well yeah clearly it would be good to have it shown-but....I can always promote it myself.

Yes, just having it done and finished IS something, but PA isn't a publisher; it's a printer. You could go to Lulu.com or CafePress.com or Kinko's and do the same thing. Your results would be the same, and you won't get your book trapped in a terrible, seven-year contract.

You don't want the truth. You want to know you didn't make a mistake. But you did. And a year from now, when you realize it because every promotion effort you tried has cost you more time and money than you ever imagined and gained you nothing in the bargain, you're going to feel terrible. Save yourself the heartache now.

They end up giving you a finished product, right? So, then what's wrong?

Part of being a writer is learning to research. This entire forum is devoted to why PA is bad. Read it.
 

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Hi, I found this message board by googling anything about Publish America

I recently submitted my story and paperwork to Publish America all excited and now I am reading all this crap about the company.

What is the deal? Is this place really bad?
They are if you are seriously pursuing a writing career. If all you want is a printed, bound copy of your book for your family and friends, you can get a far superior product that will cost less in the long run, through Lulu. PA is not considered a legitimate publishing credit by just about everyone in the publishing industry and using a PA book as a credit can hurt you.

I am a first time, yes naive, writer, and I was exited that this place accepted my story- actually I was rather surprised......everyone else rejected me telling me I wasn't ready and here comes PA all ready to accept anything.
That's because PA really will accept anything. And that's not a slam on your book - I don't know if your book is good or bad, ready or not ready. But there are several documented cases of PA's accepting books that were not at all publishable: A manuscript consisting of the same 30 pages copied over and over until it was book length was submitted. PA accepted it. And of course, there's Atlanta Nights... and Crack of Death...

My friends thought I was being negative to be surprised that anyone would accept my writing, but I really had a feeling about this place. I went along with everything anyway.

So, PLEASE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT IS the realistic deal with PA? Don't just tell me horror stories. I want facts.
The facts are that very few bookstores will stock PA books - most of the ones that do are because of the author's begging and pleading - PA will do nothing to make those books available to stores. And they offer a pathetic 5% discount to stores.

PA books are priced an average of at least $5 more than comparable books.

PA books are poorly edited, if edited at all. Sometimes, they actually introduce errors into the finished book. Their editing consists mainly of running a spellcheck then dumping into a PDF file. They do not edit for logic errors, plot holes, grammar, etc. And while the copy you turn in to any publisher should be as clean as possible, commercial publishers edit for all of the above.


PA considers their authors to be their main customers, not the general public. You will receive email after email regarding great sales and why you should buy x amount of books "to keep on hand."

PA is famous for their "tone letters" - which you will receive if you should dare question PA practices. Take a look at the other PA related threads around here - you won't believe some of what you'll see.

I heard about PA through a friend I used to play in an APA pool leauge with. He handed me a cop of the book he wrote and published with PA.

I decided to try the company so I went on their site and submitted my stuff.

About a week or so later they emailed me back sying they accepted it. I only sent them a few chapters because at the time I wasn't finished writing it yet.
And that should raise a red flag - most publishers will not offer a first-time author a contract on a partial, especially a manuscript that isn't even finished yet.

They said they are giving me until Oct 1,08 to finish the book, edit it and send it back to them.

So, anyone that has dealt with them, tell me what is up.
I'd suggest what others have suggested. And good luck.


The contact said royalties at 8%, and my friend that reviewed the contract said that was reasonable and that people in the music recording industry sometimes get less of a percentage in royalties.
Yes - but royalties come from sales. Sales come from people outside of your immediate family and friends. And that's if PA actually pays - there are reports of them stiffing authors.

Oh, and :welcome:! :D
 
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hm

well, if i already signed it can i still just get out of it?

well the thing is I am not DESTINED to be a writer. this PA thing happened out of the blue.

I am 24,and I have been writing short stories and such many years. A few years ago I actually sent my stuff to a real agent and they rejected it- this was when I really wasn't as good.

I think I just did this PA thing for a fast way into it. Not for a professional reason.

I just wanted it to happen.

But, if I just don't bother contacting them anymore, can I get out of it? The only thing I did was sign the contract, give them a half ass few chapters,and complete some author bio.

I started with them late last month so I fairly new in this. My dad actually looked the contract over and had some doubts. Of course I didn't bother listening....I guess I didn't want to believe that anything bad could happen to me.

so, but can I just not bother contacting them anymore and they will eventually leave me alone?
 

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You signed a contract. That's a legally binding document. You can't just ignore it. I'm not really sure what steps you can take since they don't have the manuscript then -

Help, guys! :D I only have suggestions for once the ms. has been turned in.
 

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Well I want to do it because a friend of mine got his published, I have it-he gave it to me, as I said earlier-so PA DOES do something at least. I don't really care if it's not in bookstores or not.
Just having it done and finished is something.
Well yeah clearly it would be good to have it shown-but....I can always promote it myself.
They do just that: the very least they need to do. Doing your own promotion will mean more money going out of your pocket than any royalties you can hope to get from PA, and you'll wind up in the hole.

They do next to no editing, if that much. 9 times out of 10, you will get the proof back riddled with more errors; all they do is run a quickie spell check and word search for key words that are verboten. You run the risk of your book coming back looking worse for the wear.

Covers are lacking. They have a contract with a clip art service and PA's "art department" slaps something together in less than two hours.

Many people have reported that while the two author's copies look great, further copies have covers that curl with time and humidity, and pages slip out.

Good luck if you want Barnes & Noble to carry it in store. While it is available online to order, a bricks-and-mortar Barnes & Noble will not carry PA books. It's considered a self-published book, and B&N does not stock self-pubbed. There have been some noteable exceptions, mostly when the author pays for the books and they're accepted on a consignment basis.

If you expect to make a profession career of writing, this will not count as a publishing credit. Potential agents and publishers will look at PA on your record, sigh, and ask you for any real credits.
They end up giving you a finished product, right? So, then what's wrong?
You could get a much, much better and more professional looking product if you went to Lulu.com. Heck, you can get a much better product if you take your manuscript down to Kinko's or some other print shop.
 

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Welcome to AW. I hope you decide to stay around and take advantage of all that the forums have to offer. I hope you can get out of the PA thing. Like someone up thread said... check out www.lulu.com to self-publish a book.

And you should always look into things BEFORE signing contracts.

Good luck.
 

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If you signed a contract with them, you've signed away the rights to your book. Just email them, tell them you have decided to terminate the contract and send them their dollar back.
 

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I am 24,and I have been writing short stories and such many years. A few years ago I actually sent my stuff to a real agent and they rejected it- this was when I really wasn't as good.

One agent? ::grin:: The book my agent signed me on was rejected nearly 70 times. And that was the fourth book I sent around (and sixth that I'd written.) Writing means getting rejections. Often a lot of them.

so, but can I just not bother contacting them anymore and they will eventually leave me alone?

Possibly, but this might come back and bite you in the ass. I'd try to get the contract terminated, myself. If it really comes down to it, just send them a hundred pages of unpublishable dreck.
 

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Can't you just contact them and tell them you decided not to finish the book after all, please void the contract as I have no book to publish? I may be naive?
 

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I agree with the others. If all you're interested in is the vanity aspect of owning a book with your name on it, there are much better options, like Lulu, which is free to set up.

If you think your book is good, why settle for PA? Query as many agents as you possibly can. Why settle for the bottom of the barrel?
 

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hm

I NEVER WANTED THIS AS A CAREER> i never imagined or cared for this to happen. i mean years ago i wanted this but-eh ..i forgot about it and moved on.

I only did this PA thing because a friend of mine did it.

I DONT WANT THIS AS A CAREER. why does everyone keep sayin that? I am in acting ad music....I....gave up the writing thing.

Yes I only bothered with one agent because I NEVER cared enough to continue.

and I never GOT 1DOLLAR or anything yet. SO, what is to send back??
 

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Can't you just contact them and tell them you decided not to finish the book after all, please void the contract as I have no book to publish? I may be naive?
I've seen this happen in real publishing when celebrities back out of a book. They can be sued for the advance, but I think that's about all that ever happens. (And in celebrities' cases, the advances often run six/seven figures, so suing makes sense.)
 

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If you don't want it as a career then why do you care so much how bad PA is? You'll find out yourself in the long run.
 

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APCapron, I wish you the best. I don't know how to get out of the contract, but I know from this forum PA is bad news. I hope you'll stick around. Lots of great stuff at AW.