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*Sees Durarara!!** Oohh I liked it too! Liked the city's mysteries and how so much went on behind the city life. Makes me wanna go poke around in every city's secrets. Also liked how the story was one giant puzzle. :D
 

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I'm looking forward to this toothbrush scene. Finished Kids on the Slope today and felt a little disappointed with it so Nisemonogatari is definitely up next - I need something that's guaranteed to be good. Toothbrush fanservice should work.
 

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The Monogatari series also has such great OPs and EDs.

The original ED from Bakemonogatari with "Kimi no Shiranai Monogatari" is such a classic.

Tsukihi's "Platinum Disco" OP from Nisemonogatari is great.

Hanekawa's "Perfect Slumbers" OP from Nekomonogatari is my favorite of hers.

Nadeko's "Mousou Express" OP from Monogatari Second Season is creepy and wonderful.

And Kaiki's duet with Senjougahara in the final arc's OP of the season season is utter brilliance. And those art style transitions! Holy fuck. Nostalgia factory. Commie's subtitles worked masterfully with it, too. Just perfect.

I'm looking forward to this toothbrush scene. Finished Kids on the Slope today and felt a little disappointed with it so Nisemonogatari is definitely up next - I need something that's guaranteed to be good. Toothbrush fanservice should work.

Episode 8.
 
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(Though I have to give props to Shinbo: I never predicted how Rebellion would end, holy fuck.)

Watched it now. I personally think they moved from internal narrative to franchise; there was a bit too much sequel baiting near the end. "New" character was mostly fanservice, too.

The franchise is spinning down the road of narrative entropy. Soon everything will be possible, and nothing will matter.

That said, it was still a very good film. :)
 

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Rewatching "Nadeko Medusa", I really think angry Nadeko is my favorite.

Too bad she can't reconcile the parts of herself she hides and just be who she is.

Until then, as always, Shinobu best girl.
 

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Watched it now. I personally think they moved from internal narrative to franchise; there was a bit too much sequel baiting near the end. "New" character was mostly fanservice, too.

The franchise is spinning down the road of narrative entropy. Soon everything will be possible, and nothing will matter.

Depends where they go from here.

If they drive it like Gundam, then yeah.

If they drive it like Eva, then maybe not.

Lots of people are saying that animating everything that happens between Evangelion 2.0 and Evangelion 3.0 is too much of a cash cow to pass up as a spin-off series, but I don't think Anno cares about that, and I'm quite confident it'll never happen.

Depends what Shinbo cares about.

What is Magica Quartet's wish?
 

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I'm not sure what pushing the boundry really means, but I always felt that Shinbou is at his best when he takes himself back a bit. 2011 was a good year, with both Madoka and Denpa Onna. He's had spots of brilliance, since (such as the middle of Sasami San), but he's mostly been basking in his own clichés. I like the current Nisekoi, but that's also Shinbou being Shinbou. He's a bit too comfortable in the style he's created.

At least visually, I find ex-shaft boy Shin Oonuma more creative currently, with the highpoints being Tasogare Otome X Amnesia and especially Watamote. (I was worrying he'd be a one-hit wonder with ef.)

On the whole, I still prefer Shinbou's shows, though.

I think that it can mean lots of things. if it were something that were easy to sum up then it wouldn't be such an inspired thing to do. I'd say that the shows I like tend to be shows that take conventional ideas - that have sometimes become cliches -and explore the natural consequences of them in either fairly extreme or intelligent ways. Or both. Madoka Magica is so great because it explores ideas relating to the Magical Girl genre that I haven't seen before - it takes those old Sailor moon concepts - which were brilliant in themselves - and turns them on their head, and suggests that becoming a superhero in this way is actually as much a form of exploitation as it is liberation. Something like Sayanora Zetsubou Sensei is boundary pushing in a different way because it explores facets of Japanese culture and rips them apart satirically, and doesn't hold back in using sex/violence as a medium to do so.

I dunno, there are lots of ways that boundaries can be pushed - as a phrase I'd say that when I say it I simply mean in a general sense something that's a bit "out there" and unconventional. Something that does things that your average audience wouldn't expect and might even be upset or disturbed by. These kinds of shows tend to suffer a lot of backlash because they get critically raved over but a large portion of the anime fanbase simply don't like what they are doing and then claim it's because it isn't artistic or clever or whatnot. Evangelion definitely suffers from that.

I agree with that assessment. It's pretty, it's entertaining, but I didn't really retain that much from viewing it.

Attack on Titan was class and I stand by that :D Fair enough, it wasn't all that deep, but as a pure genre-thrill ride I felt that it did so much right in terms of keeping me hooked for the next episode. it was very meticulous in setup and execution and that showed especially in that the producers weren't afraid to create extended scenarios that lasted around 8 episodes at a time. That's comparatively rare in a world where everything has to be bite-sized chunks ... done and dusted so quickly. I appreciated the extra time and effort that was put into the show.

I don't actually find Bakemonogatari all that sexy. Sexuality is more of a motif, to me, than a result. It's more interesting than it's a turn-on.

Interesting is a turn on.

To be honest, the visual style of Bakemonogatari overwhelmed me. And together with the dialogue the show can leave me exhausted, sometimes with too little pay-off, but when it works out it's brilliant. But it's all intellectual, really. Maybe because Bakemonogatari exhausts me, it doesn't work on visceral level at all.

I guess that's a matter of taste. I agree that it's not an easy show to watch and I recall that I had to take two cracks at it to get through it. On first viewing I was kinda "errrrrr" but on the second I blitzed through it. I like that it's cerebral - if I want action I'll watch FMA or Attack on Titan, I suppose!

Now I sort of wonder what you'd think of Dansai Bunri no Crime Edge. I keep mentioning it in this thread (and people will be tired hearing about it, but maybe not you... yet). It's a really sweet love story, and it's also an extremely conventional survival game (with the usual horror elements), and the two strands are woven together by a parade of sexual fetishes. It all works out because of the brilliant visuals and voice work. I've been watching Studio Gokumi since A Channel, and this one is their first masterpiece, IMO. It's also their biggest commercial flop. So it goes.

Certainly not bored yet :D I've put it on my crunchyroll queue.
 

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To be honest, as a young boy... I loved those stupid awful awful shows. I don't want to say that I fit that stereotype, but I might have. I don't want to remember.

I'm so so sorry.

My eyes can't stop rolling when I see them now. I did happen to like good shows at the same time though. Loved Slayers and a crapload of shojo for instance..

I've watched them. We all have. And they are entertaining. There's a good reason for their success and that's because they are entertaining, particularly to a particular market. It's not that I see anything majorly wrong with it and I don't think a teenager should be embarrassed for liking them ... but they wear a trifle thin when you're a bit older and you've seen a few! it's hard to be so frustrated with an industry that produces these sexist shows when they're also an industry that caters for many other audiences too - you don't get as much genuine focus on genuine love and grief, or gay romance (both genders) in the west, that's for sure.
 

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I dunno, there are lots of ways that boundaries can be pushed - as a phrase I'd say that when I say it I simply mean in a general sense something that's a bit "out there" and unconventional. Something that does things that your average audience wouldn't expect and might even be upset or disturbed by. These kinds of shows tend to suffer a lot of backlash because they get critically raved over but a large portion of the anime fanbase simply don't like what they are doing and then claim it's because it isn't artistic or clever or whatnot. Evangelion definitely suffers from that.

In the West. Evangelion is huge in Japan. It's one of the few anime that's totally socially-acceptable to talk about as an adult.

The only other anime that are really at its level in terms of popularity are Gundam, Ghibli films, and (believe it or not) K-On! Also, Madoka is reaching that level of popularity, but it's yet to be shown whether it will last.

Something like Sayanora Zetsubou Sensei is boundary pushing in a different way because it explores facets of Japanese culture and rips them apart satirically, and doesn't hold back in using sex/violence as a medium to do so.

Attack on Titan was class and I stand by that :D Fair enough, it wasn't all that deep, but as a pure genre-thrill ride I felt that it did so much right in terms of keeping me hooked for the next episode. it was very meticulous in setup and execution and that showed especially in that the producers weren't afraid to create extended scenarios that lasted around 8 episodes at a time. That's comparatively rare in a world where everything has to be bite-sized chunks ... done and dusted so quickly. I appreciated the extra time and effort that was put into the show.

I think it's probably worthwhile to differentiate execution from source material here.

I love Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, but a great deal of credit has to go to Kumeta's excellent manga. SHAFT was a great match for the show, and it was indeed well-executed.

That being said, we also have Joshiraku, another Kumeta manga, which was animated by J.C.Staff, who — although possessing many very popular shows — are not exactly known for the quality of their execution. Yet they did a great job with Joshiraku.

Likewise, we have Nisio's Monogatari series which has also been a great match for SHAFY and Shinbo. And we also have Nisio's Katanagatari which was animated by White Fox, and is also an absolutely great and well-done anime.

Not to disparage the execution in these cases, which are all great, but excellent source material is excellent source material.

That being said, we also have Nisio's Medaka Box, which resulted in a rather lackluster anime by GAINAX. Maybe it was because GAINAX was falling apart at the time. Maybe it was because it wasn't Nisio's best effort. I don't know. I haven't read the original material.

With Shingeki no Kyoujin (even if it's the official translation, I just can't take the title "Attack on Titan" seriously), the greatest strength the anime has is its art style, IMO, which is not only a vast improvement over the manga, but also rather unique among other current anime. I think other weaknesses of the manga bled into the anime, and chief among them is pacing. You say its "extended scenarios" are "rare", but I wouldn't say that's true at all in anime, especially shounen anime, which — gruesome or not — Kyoujin absolutely is. 8 episodes is not a long arc at all in this world, and Kyoujin is plagued with awkwardly placed flashbacks and weird pacing. Which considering the source material is rather understandable. It's written by a new, young mangaka, who hasn't had a lot of practice yet.

I enjoyed it, because it has such a compelling premise. But I wouldn't say its story-telling is very strong.

In conclusion, personally, I'm always very excited when we get an anime-original. I can enjoy a good adaptation. Even love them. But they rarely become my favorites.
 
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Now I sort of wonder what you'd think of Dansai Bunri no Crime Edge. I keep mentioning it in this thread (and people will be tired hearing about it, but maybe not you... yet). It's a really sweet love story, and it's also an extremely conventional survival game (with the usual horror elements), and the two strands are woven together by a parade of sexual fetishes. It all works out because of the brilliant visuals and voice work.

It really has all of the elements that dictate I should like it. And I did, but... the delivery just didn't quite do it for me. I never really fully connected with the characters enough.

And the imagery was good, but I still don't like the color palette.
 

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Depends where they go from here.

If they drive it like Gundam, then yeah.

If they drive it like Eva, then maybe not.

Lots of people are saying that animating everything that happens between Evangelion 2.0 and Evangelion 3.0 is too much of a cash cow to pass up as a spin-off series, but I don't think Anno cares about that, and I'm quite confident it'll never happen.

Depends what Shinbo cares about.

What is Magica Quartet's wish?

I'm almost always a bit wary when it comes to sequels of shows that stand alone pretty well and very good. I still haven't watched the Eva reboot, and part of it is because I love the original. I did watch End of Eva.

The thing with the third Madoka film is that it's just so easy to spot elements and think they're a nod to fan reaction. That was impossible before the series, so it feels more focussed. I have no idea how fair that is. It may just be my own pre-occupations with trends.

I dunno, there are lots of ways that boundaries can be pushed - as a phrase I'd say that when I say it I simply mean in a general sense something that's a bit "out there" and unconventional. Something that does things that your average audience wouldn't expect and might even be upset or disturbed by. These kinds of shows tend to suffer a lot of backlash because they get critically raved over but a large portion of the anime fanbase simply don't like what they are doing and then claim it's because it isn't artistic or clever or whatnot. Evangelion definitely suffers from that.

I've never put much thought into why I like an anime series. Some of the shows I like get torn apart by the critics and hated by the fandom at large. Others are just generally ignored (which is why I recommend Crime Edge whenever I get a chance; it doesn't desrve to be ignored).

Attack on Titan was class and I stand by that :D Fair enough, it wasn't all that deep, but as a pure genre-thrill ride I felt that it did so much right in terms of keeping me hooked for the next episode. it was very meticulous in setup and execution and that showed especially in that the producers weren't afraid to create extended scenarios that lasted around 8 episodes at a time. That's comparatively rare in a world where everything has to be bite-sized chunks ... done and dusted so quickly. I appreciated the extra time and effort that was put into the show.

It's certainly got its own style, and that's more than many other series can say of themselves. Btw, the bit you quoted was about Children who Chased Lost Voices. Attack on Titan was the entertaining show that I found annoying because I don't tend to like shows that run on anger. (I preferred Mushibugyou to Attack on Titan. AoT: People fight giants and then things get weird. Mb: People fight giant insects [with teeth?!] and then things get weird.)

I actually do think Attack on Titan has spots of brilliance, but they're pushing the mood too far for my taste. It's as if you underline, italicisa and bold the important word in a sentence that you would have payed attention to anyway. But I do appreciate AoT more than other recent shounen shows (Sword Art Online... um...).

Interesting is a turn on.

Of a different kind. (The blood flows upwards rather than downwards...)

I guess that's a matter of taste. I agree that it's not an easy show to watch and I recall that I had to take two cracks at it to get through it. On first viewing I was kinda "errrrrr" but on the second I blitzed through it. I like that it's cerebral - if I want action I'll watch FMA or Attack on Titan, I suppose!

I sometimes wonder whether it's more primal than taste. As a kid, I couldn't ride in cars; I'd get sick. I still can't watch some fast paced action scenes without getting queasy. So the quick text-flashes, for example, might just make me physically uncomfortable/nervous, before I even recognise what I've seen.

Certainly not bored yet :D I've put it on my crunchyroll queue.

Yay!

I've watched them. We all have. And they are entertaining. There's a good reason for their success and that's because they are entertaining, particularly to a particular market. It's not that I see anything majorly wrong with it and I don't think a teenager should be embarrassed for liking them ... but they wear a trifle thin when you're a bit older and you've seen a few!

"This show contains mature content. And when I say mature, I mean juvenile, but I can't admit that out in the open, because I need to protect the purity of youth from the young."

It's hard to be so frustrated with an industry that produces these sexist shows when they're also an industry that caters for many other audiences too - you don't get as much genuine focus on genuine love and grief, or gay romance (both genders) in the west, that's for sure.

Reminds me once again of the Saikin Imouto... show this season. The fanservice is awfully graphic and plays up the discomfort-is-funny trope that I never liked much, but it's also pretty good at portraying the female MC's emotions, especially when she's not being embarrassed by the show's ecchi shenannigans. It's a... confusing watch.

No-Rin is much more consistent in its ecchi celebration, and much more cliché in its presentation of emotion. (It's also entertaining me more than the acclaimed agricultural show, Gin no Saji, which I find utterly boring.)

That being said, we also have Nisio's Medaka Box, which resulted in a rather lackluster anime by GAINAX. Maybe it was because GAINAX was falling apart at the time. Maybe it was because it wasn't Nisio's best effort. I don't know. I haven't read the original material.

I actually liked Medaka Box. I enjoyed it more consistently than Bakemonogatari, but it never reached the heights that show reached.

People who read the manga say the best material was yet to come.

In conclusion, personally, I'm always very excited when we get an anime-original. I can enjoy a good adaptation. Even love them. But they rarely become my favorites.

I didn't notice that pattern with myself.

It really has all of the elements that dictate I should like it. And I did, but... the delivery just didn't quite do it for me. I never really fully connected with the characters enough.

And the imagery was good, but I still don't like the color palette.

Oh, I love the colour palette (unless you mean the monochrome filters - I'm undecided about those; sometimes they worked, and they did some interesting things with them, but sometimes they were pointless - I'd need to see a version without them to really tell - before the BluRays came out I heard a rumour that they wouldn't be in there; never checked up on it. It's sort of doubtful, since I remember they put a filter over a conversation, too.)

Sometimes a show just doesn't work for you (well enough). That's okay. I just think the show is ignored a bit too much.
 

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I wish I could have seen it in theaters. I've only seen the camrip.

Can't wait to see it in glorious 1080p.

Oh man, you are in for a visual TREAT. It is frickin' beautiful.

Watched it now. I personally think they moved from internal narrative to franchise; there was a bit too much sequel baiting near the end.

I dunno, it seemed pretty final to me. However, I remember reading somewhere that they were planning on doing another Magical girl anime with a new cast and I won't rule out the idea that the stories might overlap. To go any further with the series would just kill it, I think.

But that's the best part!

Pure genius.

The more I think about it, the more I have to agree.

And Kaiki's duet with Senjougahara in the final arc's OP of the season season is utter brilliance. And those art style transitions! Holy fuck. Nostalgia factory. Commie's subtitles worked masterfully with it, too. Just perfect.

Oh? I try to avoid fansubs these days, but this has peeked my interest. Let me guess... does it go back and froth from the old fashioned yellow text to the more modern white?

Rewatching "Nadeko Medusa", I really think angry Nadeko is my favorite.

Is it weird that I love it when anime characters do that yakuza-ish "aAHh?" thing. I can't ever get enough of it. Ever.


It's not that I see anything majorly wrong with it and I don't think a teenager should be embarrassed for liking them ... but they wear a trifle thin when you're a bit older and you've seen a few! it's hard to be so frustrated with an industry that produces these sexist shows when they're also an industry that caters for many other audiences too - you don't get as much genuine focus on genuine love and grief, or gay romance (both genders) in the west, that's for sure.

I dunno, I've been thinking about it for awhile I think that the overexposure to harem reinforces the idea of women as objects to be owned. The stories themselves aren't even the issue, especially that we're now seeing more reverse-harem anime based off otome games. I just always see women getting pushed off to the side eventually and it annoys me to no end.

Orihime from Bleach? Captured, used, and forgotten.
Asuna from Sword Art Online? Strong, confident, powerful... until season two where she's a damsel in distress wearing torn up bed sheets and almost gets tentacle raped just to end up in the cage again.

Could just be over analyzing though.

I like the current Nisekoi, but that's also Shinbou being Shinbou.

Wait? He's working on that show? No wonder I've been loving it. :3

(believe it or not) K-On!

ugh, seriously? Don't get me wrong, I loved the first season but ended up dropping the second after three episodes. It turned into every other slice-of-life afterwards.
 

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I'm almost always a bit wary when it comes to sequels of shows that stand alone pretty well and very good. I still haven't watched the Eva reboot, and part of it is because I love the original. I did watch End of Eva.

Well as far as End of Eva goes, it's nothing like a sequel. It was storyboarded as part of the original ending, and you can see the key animation in progress for Asuka's fight against the MP Evas in the Episode 24 and 25 previews.

Calling Rebuild a "sequel" is also a very controversial statement. ;)

The thing with the third Madoka film is that it's just so easy to spot elements and think they're a nod to fan reaction. That was impossible before the series, so it feels more focussed. I have no idea how fair that is. It may just be my own pre-occupations with trends.

Oh, I'm absolutely sure some elements are there as a result of the fans. Personally, I don't think that's a bad thing, as they're incorporated in ways that work with the story and don't detract at it from all. I don't think anything would be gained by avoiding those elements.

Reminds me once again of the Saikin Imouto... show this season. The fanservice is awfully graphic and plays up the discomfort-is-funny trope that I never liked much, but it's also pretty good at portraying the female MC's emotions, especially when she's not being embarrassed by the show's ecchi shenannigans. It's a... confusing watch.

I'm loving this show. I don't think it's playing up the discomfort-is-funny trope at all. It's playing up the masochism and humiliation fetishes.

Oh, I love the colour palette (unless you mean the monochrome filters - I'm undecided about those; sometimes they worked, and they did some interesting things with them, but sometimes they were pointless - I'd need to see a version without them to really tell - before the BluRays came out I heard a rumour that they wouldn't be in there; never checked up on it. It's sort of doubtful, since I remember they put a filter over a conversation, too.)

Sometimes a show just doesn't work for you (well enough). That's okay. I just think the show is ignored a bit too much.

Oh? I try to avoid fansubs these days, but this has peeked my interest. Let me guess... does it go back and froth from the old fashioned yellow text to the more modern white?

You nailed it.

Is it weird that I love it when anime characters do that yakuza-ish "aAHh?" thing. I can't ever get enough of it. Ever.

Took me a moment to figure out what you meant, but yes, it is great when HanaKana does it. Especially as Nadeko, with how her character's been up until then.

Wait? He's working on that show? No wonder I've been loving it. :3

You didn't recognize the animation and art style?

ugh, seriously? Don't get me wrong, I loved the first season but ended up dropping the second after three episodes. It turned into every other slice-of-life afterwards.

It makes sense when you think about it. K-On! is the perfect kind of escapist slice-of-life for modern-day Japan. It's pure nostalgia. It's about high school, which many in Japan remember as the last true of freedom in their lives before becoming housewives or salarymen. You don't have to think hard about it. It's pure comfort food for the soul. It is essentially popular for the exact opposite reasons that Evangelion and Madoka are. They're dripping with cynicism and reality and deep messages, while it's the healing balm after that end of the world.

Over in the Evageeks forum a couple years ago, someone from Japan was posting a bunch of photos from the aftermath of the Tōhoku earthquake. One of the things we noticed was the surprising amount of K-On! merchandise the refugees had. You had old obaa-sans sitting in tents drinking tea from mugs with Yui and Mio and Ritsu and Mugi on them. It was surreal, but it does make sense.
 
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You didn't recognize the animation and art style?

Nope. I think I had just watched the last episode of Bakemonogatari and remember thinking "oh, this is like Bakemonogatari lite" and that was it. I've always been terrible at remembering names of actors, voice actors, directors, etc. Hell, I've just always been awful at remembering names.

I always just remember things like "Oh, that guy that does Madoka and Bakemonogatari."

It makes sense when you think about it. K-On! is the perfect kind of escapist slice-of-life for modern-day Japan. It's pure nostalgia. It's about high school, which many in Japan remember as the last true of freedom in their lives before becoming housewives or salarymen. You don't have to think hard about it. It's pure comfort food for the soul. It is essentially popular for the exact opposite reasons that Evangelion and Madoka are. They're dripping with cynicism and reality and deep messages, while it's the healing balm after that end of the world.

Okay, I get that. Never thought of it that way.

I had this Japanese teacher who told me that all anime has no deeper meaning. This was also when Evangelion hit our shores and I was all stupid offended about it. So I wonder if I see popular anime with no point (like Lucky Star) I just instantly hate on them.

But then again, I don't hate slice-of-lifes either. Nichijou, for instance, was brilliant.
 

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I dunno, I've been thinking about it for awhile I think that the overexposure to harem reinforces the idea of women as objects to be owned. The stories themselves aren't even the issue, especially that we're now seeing more reverse-harem anime based off otome games. I just always see women getting pushed off to the side eventually and it annoys me to no end.

Orihime from Bleach? Captured, used, and forgotten.
Asuna from Sword Art Online? Strong, confident, powerful... until season two where she's a damsel in distress wearing torn up bed sheets and almost gets tentacle raped just to end up in the cage again.

Could just be over analyzing though.

One thing about harems, though, is that they inherently acknowledge taste. It's objectivation for sure, but instead of a single ideal you get a menu. There are certain elements that get the eye-roll treatment though:

- Cooking: the purple dish of doom, the cookies of mass destruction... your self-image is in the bento you make for him.

- The crowd murmur (or protag aside) of "that's not cute at all". I can't even remember the specific incidents that lead to that; only that I usually disagree (if it's the crowd murmur, there's a possibility that the protag disagrees, too).

And so on.

I found SAO awful in how it portrays women long before the infamous ALO arc (I call it the AHO arc; it makes sense to abbreviate it like that...), but it might easily have been the author's age. I found Accel World (same author but written later) an improvement in that direction.

As I've said before, I'm enjoying this season's Saikin Imouto... show quite a bit, but it's got a sever case of we-shall-ignore-the-poor-girl's-body-space-for-comedy. I just don't like that. It's just that I feel that the story pulls in two direction; the fanservice pulls in the wrong direction, and the direction pulls in the right direction. Last episode was awful, but most of the ones before had quite interesting parts, too. I've never been that confused by a fanservice show.
 

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I'm loving this show. I don't think it's playing up the discomfort-is-funny trope at all. It's playing up the masochism and humiliation fetishes.

That's an interesting take. Didn't occur to me. That angle might help me make sense of the show, actually.
 

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As I've said before, I'm enjoying this season's Saikin Imouto... show quite a bit, but it's got a sever case of we-shall-ignore-the-poor-girl's-body-space-for-comedy.

Well to be fair, the ghost who does it is basically the antagonist.

I just don't like that. It's just that I feel that the story pulls in two direction; the fanservice pulls in the wrong direction, and the direction pulls in the right direction. Last episode was awful, but most of the ones before had quite interesting parts, too. I've never been that confused by a fanservice show.

Call me tasteless, but I'm enjoying its fetishes more than Crime Edge.
 

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That's an interesting take. Didn't occur to me. That angle might help me make sense of the show, actually.

Maybe it's just my dirty mind, but take the whole toilet scene in the episode one. It never really occurred to me to take it as humorous. It did strike me as shameless fetish-pandering. Which is how I picked it up. :tongue

Edit: You may remember I picked up Crime Edge over a similar scene. IMO, the embarrassment is eroticism.
 
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Well to be fair, the ghost who does it is basically the antagonist.

I'm guessing they've been thrown together by some supernatural power because they're "good for each other". I find it funny how the people around her seem to be aware of the ghost almost from the beginning. Gives a new spin to the clueless protag (heh).

Call me tasteless, but I'm enjoying its fetishes more than Crime Edge.
I fully understand this, actually. This show is unapologetically voyeuristic.

Crime Edge sort of connected it to the part of the mind we like to ignore; as a result it plays up the "fetishes are distrubing" angle a bit.

Saikin Imouto is pretty straightforward (and the direction is excellent). Also after your last comment (that wasn't there when I typed that post) I think I might have been watching the show wrong. Viewed from a masochism angle the show makes much more sense to me. Reading your comment was one of those a-ha moments, where things fall into place.

ETA:This threads pace is... confusing me right now. I never know whether I should edit my post or make a new one.

Maybe it's just my dirty mind, but take the whole toilet scene in the episode one. It never really occurred to me to take it as humorous. It did strike me as shameless fetish-pandering. Which is how I picked it up. :tongue

Edit: You may remember I picked up Crime Edge over a similar scene. IMO, the embarrassment is eroticism.

I agree. The show is sympathetic to the imouto, evne during the toilet scene. (Aside: what sort of chastity pelt prevents you from urinating, but allows you to masturbate? That's gotta be a special design...)

A lot of the show makes sense, seen from that angle.
 
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ETA:This threads pace is... confusing me right now. I never know whether I should edit my post or make a new one.

Me too, but I'm happy we're all saying interesting things again.

I agree. The show is sympathetic to the imouto, evne during the toilet scene. (Aside: what sort of chastity pelt prevents you from urinating, but allows you to masturbate? That's gotta be a special design...)

I imagine it came from the same Heaven from which Panty and Stocking fell.
 

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One thing about harems, though, is that they inherently acknowledge taste. It's objectivation for sure, but instead of a single ideal you get a menu.

I, for one, am glad most harems tend to offer at least one choice for the Flat Is Justice crowd.
 

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Me too, but I'm happy we're all saying interesting things again.

Yeah, good to be back in the game.

I imagine it came from the same Heaven from which Panty and Stocking fell.

I notice I typed "chastity pelt". It was a typo, but I'm so leaving it in.
 

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We need more anime with chastity belts.

Search for the tag on sad panda and most of it is femdom.

Not that I don't like femdom, but not always.