A New Idea: SF/F Book Study

Should we do it?


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brokenfingers

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Ok, people – I have an idea. Now, don’t get all nervous or flee screaming from this thread just yet. Bear with me, now..

I was thinking that every one here is a SFF reader and someone who is seeking to create a work in that genre (which includes all speculative fiction.)

I’m proposing we start a Book Club devoted to SFF. Now, of course, I’m open to suggestions but this is how I’d see it working:

The main gist of it is that we’d choose a Book of the Month (or Week or whatever if we see ourselves burning through discussions quickly.) Then we discuss it – as readers and lovers of the genre, but even more importantly – as writers.

We (or a mod) would start a recommendation thread two months before the target month, where everybody who’s interested in participating and improving their writing would post their choice for the coming month’s book selection. We would let people post their choices, second others or give any input they like, for three weeks.

Then the final week we post a poll and everybody votes on the target month’s book selection. If someone’s book isn’t chosen, there are always other months. Plus, each person can and most likely will posit their views on why such a book would be a good book to select and study etc.

Then we have a month before the target month to get the book - either from a store, online, a library, you can borrow it or steal it or even just pluck it down from your bookshelf, whatever – and read it.

Then when the target month arrives, we begin discussing it.

We can discuss it as readers and describe why we liked it/disliked it, sped through it/couldn’t finish it etc.

But even more importantly, I feel, we can dissect it as writers.

Discuss the opening and why and how it worked/or didn’t
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What was the hook and where was it inserted?
How far in did you get before you said, “Ooooo!”
Was there a lot of description? Backstory?
Was there a prologue?
Did the author start in media res?
How many pages until the story really got rolling?

Discuss the characters and why they were compelling/or not
:

How did the author get us to like them, care about the, follow them. Why were they so enjoyable and believable? What did we like about them?

Who were your favorite ones and why?

How did the author screw it up? Why were they one-dimensional or clichéd? Why were they annoying?

Discuss the style:

How did the authors writing affect you – did you like it or not? How important was style in your enjoyment of the book?

Was it a flowery style? Descriptive? Unique? Invisible? Did it suit the story? Enhance or detract from it?

Discuss the premise/story/plot itself:

What did you like about it?
Was it new and innovative?
Clichéd and derivative?
A fresh perspective on a tried and true trope?
Or a tired rehashing of the same old, same old?
Was it a quest or some other standard plotline? And if so, how was it made enjoyable? How did it defy the stereotypes and clichés? Or how did it perpetuate them?

Discuss the setting/worldbuilding:

Was the world a part of the allure?
Was it original?
Was there a lot of worldbuilding? Was there enough or too much for your tastes?
How important was it to the story?

And so we would go. The possibilities are endless. I think by discussing and dissecting an actual book (and I’d like to see classics as well as some of the newly published and very popular series going around right now) we could take away a lot of practical lessons that can be used in our own writing.
 

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I love it.

As for recommendations, maybe restrict it a little with themes so that we experience some new things outside of our comfortable sub-genres?

July is Epic Fantasy
August is Golden Age SF
September is First Novel
October is New Weird
November is Series Opener or Stand Alone

Just an idea.
 
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Cool idea. I liked the sub-genre spin too. I'd be interested in an emphasis on writing techniques used in the novels and how to apply them to my own work. More like "Case Studies" than a book club, but hey, that's just me.

:)

Nicole
 

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I think your outline suggestions of specifics to discuss will help make the club worthwhile. I've been in a couple of online book discussion groups that really just skim and don't get past much more than liking or disliking the book.
I'm a fledgling reader in this area and would enjoy participating.
 

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oh dear, did I kill the thread?
 

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I'm liking it, as well as the monthly sub-genres. Especially when there's something (knowledge) to gain from it.

What about one month with something from an AW writer?
 

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LOVE the idea.

So, when do we get started? :)

Love the subgenre idea, too -- I really need to break out of my comfort zone with fantasy. :)
 
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Thanks for the input, fellow writers.

Hmmm, I'm kind of disappointed in the low number of responses giving any input or thoughts. I thought there were more SFF writers on this board. Many names I remember as being active in SFF are missing along with the mods of this forum.

Oh well. I guess writing really has taken a backseat to Office Party and politics on this board.
 

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maybe we can keep this bumped for the next few days, to pick up stragglers, especially since we're just coming off a couple of busy summer weekends.
 

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I think you might get more responses if your header revealed what the idea was about. Honestly, I thought this was a thread on your new novel/story idea.
 

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Also mention Obama and Peak Oil in your title for more attention...
 

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I'm in! Love the idea, and the subgenre and theme idea, too. I didn't know what this was until I clicked an saw the book club idea. Cool! Despite my toppling TBR pile, I'll make the sacrifice of adding to it. Ha!
 

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Where's the response option for the commitment-phobic? :D I like the idea, but I won't always have time to participate. I'm looking at some really busy months from now through the end of the year.
 

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b) my local library's SFF section is pitifuly small and out of date.

My local library has dictionarys and the Harry Potter books... :Shrug:

I'm also pretty stiff with money, so price should be a facter when choosing books. In a severe case, there are some websites that (in certain countries) has legal use of text out of copyright. For example: <a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Category:Bookshelf">Gutenberg</a>

In general, I'm decently interested. My biggest problem being that I'm pretty timid and would have a hard time getting courage to share opinions at first. :rolleyes: I'm working on that though...
 

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I wanted to do something like this in meatspace, but lacked time/motivation.

So yeah, I'd be down.

Also...

my local library's SFF section is pitifuly small and out of date.

Most libraries have a fund to buy new books, which scant few people take advantage of. Go to your library and say "I'm interested in reading X and I noticed you don't have it."

Coworker of mine does it with audiobooks. Basically, his branch caters almost exclusively to him, as he's the only one who asks for anything.

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brokenfingers, you should set up a thread where people toss up recs for the first book. I liked MattW's suggestion to have themed months. Perhaps you slap down a theme and see what titles come up, then we take a vote?
 

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...July is Epic Fantasy
August is Golden Age SF
September is First Novel
October is New Weird
November is Series Opener or Stand Alone

Just an idea.
Not sure how far the Golden Age extended, but a title that comes to mind is "Stand On Zanzibar." Or maybe it would fit in New Weird.
I'd join, provided i could get ahold of the book.
I'd love this but:

a) I have very little money to buy books with

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b) my local library's SFF section is pitifuly small and out of date.

I'd join in if I oculd get hold of a copy of the book though.
Did you see my blog entry on finding books? And it's not like I have hundreds of blog entries you have to look through to find it.

Also, most public libraries in the US are part of a multi-library system and you can usually get any book from any branch in that system sent to your branch for you to borrow for free. Failing that, you can often get books from yet OTHER library systems on interlibrary loan, though for that you may have to pay mailing cost.
 

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I don't want to take part in the book club... but I would like to take part in this forum without facing criticism for that choice. It worries me that there's already some mud-slinging at the people not getting involved.

I've been following along with the thread (although apparently I missed a post, quoted below), but Polenth's post made me read more carefully.

No one should ever feel pressured to join into a discussion or a thread in which they don't care to participate. The SF/F board is as diverse as the rest of AW. Not everyone has the time or the inclication to participate in an online book club. And neither Polenth, nor anyone else, should be criticized for that choice.

Thanks for the input, fellow writers.

Hmmm, I'm kind of disappointed in the low number of responses giving any input or thoughts. I thought there were more SFF writers on this board. Many names I remember as being active in SFF are missing along with the mods of this forum.

Oh well. I guess writing really has taken a backseat to Office Party and politics on this board.

If this is your take on things, then I'm sorry. But seriously, OP and politics?

As one of the aforementioned board Mods, I was choosing to remain silent, as opposed to outright saying, "Cool idea, sorry I can't participate." My reasons are my own, and I don't feel the need to defend them. Nor, I'm sure, does Pthom.

If you choose to create a book club geared specifically toward SF/F, cool! I think it's a great idea, and I'm sorry you didn't get the overwhelming response I suppose you were hoping for. AW does, indeed, have a large number of SF/F writers, but I think the biggest problem you're going to face with the book club is that large number. It is extremely diverse. My particular sub-genre reading habits differ greatly from, say, benbradley's. As his differs from Karen Duvall's, etc...

I can change the thread title to make it more closely reflect the content of the thread, if you wish. I'd like to see this get off the ground running. But please, let's remember to respect our fellow writers (and this includes anyone's personal decision to not participate in the book club).
 

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I don't want to take part in the book club... but I would like to take part in this forum without facing criticism for that choice. It worries me that there's already some mud-slinging at the people not getting involved.

Participate or don't. No one will judge either way.


But you don't get to learn the secret handshake....
 

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Interesting....would this be all new or newer books, or will you go back through the mists of time for some classics.. I have 1/2 a S/F wip I started in"94 and might pick back up after i get the current pain in my ass out there...
 

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Most libraries have a fund to buy new books, which scant few people take advantage of. Go to your library and say "I'm interested in reading X and I noticed you don't have it."

Coworker of mine does it with audiobooks. Basically, his branch caters almost exclusively to him, as he's the only one who asks for anything.


Also, most public libraries in the US are part of a multi-library system and you can usually get any book from any branch in that system sent to your branch for you to borrow for free.

In the US that might be true. I can order in from another library ( for a small fee) IF they have the book - they don't always on US authors. As for funds -- I'm not sure they have any. I'll check
 

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I like the idea. Now, there have been plenty of amazing scifi novels written over the decades- would we be focusing on contemporary hot-off-the-presses stuff, the kind of reading we, as authors, really should be keeping up with?
 
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