Learn Writing with Uncle Jim, Volume 1

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Styles go in and out of fashions -- but stories, the baseline, are eternal.

And Uncle Jim also said, "Story trumps everything." I know this is the novel-writing thread, but I took a loooong break from writing short stories. This turned out to be a good thing. Now when I look at an unsold story, I think, "Once you get rid of all that self-indulgent crap, you might actually be able to sell this."

So thanks, Uncle Jim. :)
 

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loquax said:
I don't think I would have the strength to write a book by hand.

I actually wrote my first Gauntlet: Dark Legacy book by hand. We only had one computer and so my wife and I worked out a deal. She got the computer Mon-Fri and I transcribed what I had hand-written on Saturday and Sunday.

I considered the transcription time my first edit of the book as I caught mistakes I'd made or changed where I was going occasionally when I was typing the stuff in.

My first draft of Gauntlet came out to 115K handwritten words (more or less). I think if you really want to get a story done, you can do it, no matter what medium you have to work with.

(Although, I did use the first half of my advance to buy a laptop ;) )
 

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Another advantage of handwriting is that it's tougher to go back and re-write yesterday's writing rather than moving forward.

Do I have an endpoint in mind when I start a book? Sure. Do I always get to the climax I had in mind? Nope.

Is possible that I don't know the climax and I'm just using this as a method of coming up with characters? Sure, that's possible.


See also the discussion of positional chess as a method of plotting.
 

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I write all of my fiction by hand, for several reasons.

First, it serves to differentiate acutely between the fiction process and the freelance non-fiction process.
Second, it appeals to the ritualistic side of my fiction writing. I like the act of filling the pen, of placing the guide sheet, of choosing the right notebook for the project (and no, this isn't procrastination - the writing gets done).
Third, I find that with a good pen there is a direct connection from mind to paper that isn't there writing directly on the computer.
Fourth, I use the movement from the page to the disk as an opportunity for initial revision.

It just works for me, and there are few things as satisfying as watching those handwritten pages pile up...
 

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I do so much writing on the computer at work, writing a hand written note seems odd to me. That is really what it seems like to me, anyway. I have noting but love for you cats that can write that way.
I wrote my first novel longhand in a blank book, years ago. I dont think that I could do it again. My latest novek was computer from the get go, i barley had any hand written notes this time. But, in my defense, i did have a whole lot of illusrations. (but then again, i wrote this as a way to get published, not just have a little fun like I used too.)
I just finished the first edit this morning. My editor took a look at the rough and gave some good pointers. Im really glad that i didnt have to transcribe. Congrats to you all that did.
 

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James D. Macdonald said:
You keep hearing that sort of thing, but I'm not certain that I believe it... Styles go in and out of fashions -- but stories, the baseline, are eternal.
I certainly hope this is the case. I just have this fear that if the wordsmithing doesn't perfectly conform to the current fashion, editors never get far enough through the submission to see enough story to impress them.
 

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James D Macdonald said:
Before closing today's episode: Another advantage of blocking out a regular time for writing is that it becomes your time when no one will ask you to drive the kids to soccer practice or go shopping "because you aren't doing anything."


I think this has motivated me to do just this. I tend to be too willing to "help others" and forget I have a goal that needs time to be attained. I wish to be a published author. I think what you've written has lots of good merit and I appreciate your time and willingness to "help others."
 

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You're quite welcome.

It's common for writers to help other writers and to help folks who want to be authors. We know where we came from and remember those who helped us.

Being a writer means you have homework every day for the rest of your life. It's easier with a study-buddy.
 

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Nangleator said:
I just have this fear that if the wordsmithing doesn't perfectly conform to the current fashion, editors never get far enough through the submission to see enough story to impress them.

Write what you love; write what excites you. If you don't, I'll bet you a box of donuts that no one else will love your book or be excited by it.

The current fashion is a moving target. The books being written today are the ones that will be setting "the current fashion" four years from now.
 

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aruna said:
I'm replying to this because I'm just like this writer. I never know the ending when I start, and often this is depicted as a great problem. It isn't;
After giving this some thought, I think we all do the exact same thing. We have a story idea pop in our head. Immediately we set to work. Now, the work we do may be quite different. The two processes may, in fact, take the same amount of time.

Take a planner:
He has the idea. Hmm, that's interesting, he says. Who are my characters? he asks himself. He thinks of the protagonist first; begins to form an idea of what he/she does. He grabs a pen and starts sketching out the character. Possible experiences that lead to others that generate conflict. Out of this grow other characters: antagonist, love interest, sidekick, etc. He thinks of names.

The planer sketches out the story in an organic fashion, whether he puts in a lot of details or few. As he thinks through the story, it plays out perhaps like a film. He sees the main points, the best images, the conflict, and the resolution. He writes this all down somewhere, somehow, for reference. Once the bones are on the skeleton, then he goes back and starts to flesh things out, and really work the dang thing.

Now the organist (ha! That's funny!)

Okay, the non-planner:
He has the idea. Hmm, that's interesting, she says. Where do I start? He puts his pen to paper (fingers to keys) and begins to write the first scene. He's describing it in the best prose he can write, and throwing himself into the scene. Once the first five pages are done, he begins to see another scene or character that can grow out of that. He lives in the moment. He lets the big picture come later.

As he writes the story he sees the nuance, the conflict, the little quirks that make a character who he/she is. He lives in his story as if it is life itself, not a movie. He's building his body a finger at a time. once the bone, flesh, capillaries, cartilage, and blood are in that finger, he makes the next finger, and the next, and the next. Soon he's working on the rest of the hand, making it the best hand he can do for now in a first draft. Later, he'll add color, repair the white blood cells that are weak, put hair on the knuckles, design the fingernails, clip off the hangnails, etc.

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For the planner and the non-planner both, the story comes in an organic fashion. The characters intrigue us the same, the surprises affect us the same, the conflict and theme drive us the same. The difference is in vision and approach. Some must see the whole thing--the big picture. Some live in the moment and breathe in the nuance with every scene. Some want to smell the flowers from the beginning, as they write them in. Some want to build the park first, then go back and smell the flowers later.
 

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Re: Handwriting vs. Typing

I wonder if maybe planners like the computer best, because we get everything hashed out so quickly, and the thoughts pop into our heads so fast, that we need to get stuff down as fast as possible, and we type faster than we write.

And even if we were to write fast, we couldn't read it once we went back.

Then the non-planner likes the pen because the pen and paper themselves have a nuance that person likes to connect with.

I have done both, but have found that I get so much more done when typing at a computer. I've been using one for so long, and I can read it so well, and my hands don't hurt unlike when handwriting--that anything else is just not good enough for my brain. I type 77 wpm, so you can imagine how much slower my penmanship is. And no matter how fast I go, it always looks the same.
 

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jlawrenceperry said:
Then the non-planner likes the pen because the pen and paper themselves have a nuance that person likes to connect with.
I'm an organist (I like that) or a non-planner if you like. I have always composed at the keyboard. Even in high school (which I blushingly admit was before the advent of desktop computers) I composed at the typewriter. Fortunately it was a self-correcting typewriter. (I'm not THAT old.)

Part of the reason I compose at the keyboard is that my thoughts are so much quicker than I can write. I type about 60 wpm. My thought process is still faster than that, but it's better than pen on paper. Also, because I'm a non-planner, my thoughts sometimes come out of order, and I can easily reorder them on the computer.
 

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Although I'm a planner, and use the computer more than anything else, I still find that the best ideas come when you're sitting in the kitchen, and you quickly scrawl some words onto the back of an envelope with an old crayon.

But the way I write is still very spontaneous even when I'm at the keyboard. I normally have a chapter set out in my mind, and some things I want to have happened by the end of it. Then I wind the characters up and let them go, nudging them back onto the path all the way.
 

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Composing - when and where

I tend to be a planner; however, that really has nothing to do with why I use the computer for my ms. I, too, think much faster than my hand will write for longhand. I was a secretary for a lot of years and typed final copy from a dictaphone (oops, age showing). I think through my fingers! Further, I can move things around and organize my material much more easily with the copy/paste/etc. features inherent in the computer world. When away from my keyboard, I carry around a digital recorder and verbalize notes to myself about my plot(s) - lest I forget:idea: ! Since I am usually in my vehicle when away from the computer, the purchase of the recorder has been an idea-saver of paramount importance. I don't even want to contemplate the number of brilliant visions I lost prior to having it (sort of like the fish that got away - the lost ones are always the biggest and best, wouldn't you say?!).
 

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*takes a deep breath*



My goodness, what an amazing thread. I “discovered” this thread several weeks ago and set about to read every post, in order, before replying. I decided that it would be my penance for not finding my way here earlier. Along the way, I followed every link that wasn’t broken, done most of the exercises (not the tinfoil hats, though – full disclosure) and learned more about writing than I thought was possible. I’ve made some small, but very tangible changes to the way I write, and I like the results.



“And then” has been eliminated from all my manuscripts, except when it’s in dialog.



Courier has replaced Times New Roman, which was disconcerting at first, but I’ve grown to see some definite advantages to using it.



I eliminated a prologue that was really chapter 1 in one of my manuscripts. I left it in another because it really was a prologue. It will enrich the experience of those who read it and it won’t matter in the long run to those who don’t.



I’ve become quite educated on the slushpile, the life of our projects on the aforementioned pile, the people who live with it and the publishing industry as a whole. I even read some (hideous? terrible?) slush of my own following that fan–fic assignment.



The only thing I didn’t embrace was the strategic chess movement. I hate chess, never could get through a whole game. Not to disparage anyone who loves it, but it’s just not thing. I’ve substituted baseball for chess. I love baseball; not the thirty second highlight you might see on your evening news, but the strategy and matchups that a well played game provides. If you’re out in the field, you’ve got to position your players in the right places so that when the ball’s in play they can do what comes naturally to them. The only difference between a long lazy fly out to deep center field and a mad dash, diving catch that bounces the player off the wall is planning. There are times when the chaotic chase is more entertaining for the moment, but the real fan will enjoy the long term success of a team that is well coached. There are many other metaphors I could use as well: pitchers and catchers selecting the right sequence to strike out a key hitter; batters working the field to place the ball exactly where they want it to go; managers sending runners in a clutch situation to cause movement by their opponents and hopefully get them out of place when the ball is hit.



I didn’t have to embrace the BIC method; it embraced me. I started writing shortly before my 40th birthday (almost two years ago) and since that time I’ve produced four manuscripts averaging 80,000 words each. That doesn’t include my first “novel” which sits patiently on my hard-drive waiting for a cruise so that I can pitch it overboard.



Not counting “Captain Craptastic: Adventures In Writing” – the working title for novel number zero, my four manuscripts are in various stages of completeness.



Novel number one was submitted to a publisher in February. In May the senior editor sent me an email saying that she was very impressed, but they had changed philosophy and would no longer be publishing my genre (historical religious fiction). She continued on by giving me contact information for two senior editors at houses she felt would have a definite interest in my book. She encouraged me by saying that she was very certain it would be published. I quickly submitted the manuscript to one of the leads she gave me. I remain hopeful.



Novel number two is fermenting nicely in the desk drawer. Chronologically it is the most recently completed work, but it’s also the next closest to submission stage so I’ve got it listed as number two. I’ve done three drafts, had it read out loud to me and done all the copy-editing that is required. All that’s left is to let it age a bit and then give it a final polishing. I plan to have it out to a publisher by September. I believe that it represents my best work and I’m quite proud of it. We’ll see what the harsh world of reality thinks.



Novel numbers three and four are in the draft/re-write cycle. Three is actually a SF work (Postman, Alas Babylon, Footfall sub-genre) that I entered into a contest in February. The grand prize is being the featured SF book the publisher. I haven’t heard yet that I’ve been eliminated, so I continue to be hopeful.



So far I’m a prolific amateur. I hope to change that status this year, but no matter what I’ll be writing two to three manuscripts a year.



Thanks for all the tips, advice and gentle shoves. I’m glad to have caught up now so I can fully participate.
 

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Tim Dixon said:
I hate chess, never could get through a whole game. Not to disparage anyone who loves it, but it’s just not thing. I’ve substituted baseball for chess. I love baseball; not the thirty second highlight you might see on your evening news, but the strategy and matchups that a well played game provides.
Anyone for a Chinese checkers metaphor?
 

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So I've been reading this thread off and on, and I love it! I can't wait to be able to read all the way through it and garner every juicy tidbit of info! For now, however, I have a question that I'm sure has been asked many times over. Dialogue tags. Do you use them? Do you stick to he said/she said, or do you add he grumbled/she exclaimed. and do the -ly words afterwards annoy or help describe? In my opinion I'd use the he grumbled/she exclaimed and drop most of the -ly words, but I'm wondering if this is good or just a symptom of ineptitude. Does anyone knows of a link where this has already been discussed? Or feel like dicussing it again? thanks!

-alanna
 

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Dialog! Woo hoo!

We've probably discussed it, but that doesn't mean we can't do it again.

First off -- using adverbs puts us in severe danger of creating unintentional humor: "My headache is gone," Tom said absentmindedly. "The prisoners are coming down the stairs," Tom said condescendingly. "I love hotdogs!" Mandy said with relish.

These are referred to as Tom Swifties.

Use of words other than 'said' to mean 'said' can get ridiculous, especially if overdone. "What?" he bellowed. "No one's here," he gritted. "The villain has departed," he hissed.

These are called Said Bookisms.

"Said" is an invisible word. You can use it as much as you like and no one will notice it. Not that you have to use it all the time. Especially if you only have two people talking you don't need to put "he said" or "she said" after every sentence. Sprinkle 'em in to keep folks straight so they don't have to flip back two pages and count lines to tell who's talking.

Ideally your charaters should have voices that are different enough that the readers will be able to identify them from their dialog without any tags at all.

Like anything else in your Author's Toolkit you can use Said Bookisms or Tom Swifties or Stage Directions when they're necessary.

Spices make the food tastier; too much spice makes diner inedible.

Observe how your favorite author handles dialog tags. Go and do likewise.
 

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Dialogue tags. Do you use them? Do you stick to he said/she said

I read a great piece of advice some time ago (unfortunately, I can't remember where). Basically, it was to have your characters doing something while they're speaking. That way you can use the actions that they're doing both to show character/emotional state and also to identify the speaker.

This is the first draft of something I'm working on. I've highlighted the dialog tags in red. There are only two, but I think it's fairly clear who's talking throughout. (Of course, there are other problems in this, but that's another story.)

"I noticed." Tahirah smiled a little, then looked back at the archway. "What happens if you go down another one of them?"

Holding the frame of the mirror with both hands, Imad stood up and shrugged. "They're all the same. They all lead you back here."

"So how do we get in? A window?"

Imad walked toward one of the pillars. He heard Tahirah's footsteps following him. "Did you see any windows?" Imad called over his shoulder.

"No."

"So we're not going to use a window then, are we?" Imad placed the mirror very carefully at the base of the pillar and straightened up.

"So how do we get in then?" Tahirah asked.

Imad pointed at the mirror. "That's where this comes in."

"A mirror?"

Imad clicked his fingers and pointed at her. "See? That's the kind of quick thinking I'm looking for. You'll go far." He squatted down and peered into the mirror. He couldn't quite see the whole of the archway on the other side of the room, so he adjusted the mirror slightly.

 

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One more thing about speech tags: If you do use a verb other than "said," let it be a word that can sensibly connect a speaker with the words spoken. For instance, John can ask or shout or whisper "Where's Martha tonight?," but he can't smile "Hello, Martha," and he can't shrug "I don't know where Martha is." Smiling and shrugging aren't ways of making words come out of one's mouth.
 
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