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Kevin Yarbrough

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MonkMojo said:
[FONT=&quot]I will keep this in mind as I attempt to write. I guess the task would be to show the reader the perspective enabling him to make the connections? [/FONT]

That's tricky though, Mojo. If you allow the reader to see what is going to happen early on, in an effort to help them see it, then when it does happen it might not be funny.

Let's look at my story I mentioned earlier. If the one on the car told the other one to watch this, he is drunk and I bet he falls off the step then when it happens it might not be to funny anymore. What makes it funny was you know the guy was drunk and you know something is going to happen but not what was going to happen. If you could pull it off by saying I know this guy is drunk so let's see what happens it would give a bit of forshadowing and the reader will know something will happen but not what.

It's tricky to do but if you could pull it off right you might actually help some people see why it was funny.

Good luck trying it though, I hope you can pull it off.
 

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Kevin Yarbrough said:
That's tricky though, Mojo. If you allow the reader to see what is going to happen early on, in an effort to help them see it, then when it does happen it might not be funny.

That's a very good point. It's right up there with "if you have to explain it, it wasn't funny" in a way. The key is to lead them to the joke, but let them find out what's funny about it.

And yes, if 90% were amused, and 10% didn't get it at all, that's a pretty fair percentage of positive reactions. Our goals are to tell a story AND be humorous - a taste many take for granted as being easier than it is. But I, for one, hold a deep abiding admiration for those who can make me laugh, or even just smile. There's something to be said for all of the emotions a writer can evoke, but humor holds a special place for me. Humor can keep you grinnin' like a fool long after you've read the story.

Those of us who write humor, just grin like fools all the time :D
 

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Kevin, I still disagree. Humor can be taught. I know this as fact. There are degrees of success, of course, but that's how it is with any subject (if everyone was guaranteed 100% success in every subject they took, there would be no grades other than A's, no dropouts, no people who couldn't read, etc.).

The students who don't work at the course might not get much out of it. I can't tell, because there are always students who take the class but never once post in the discussion areas. They don't post assignments, they don't interact with the class, I don't hear a word from them. I can't guage their success. I can only discuss the ones who do post.

Some will start enthusiastically, but when things get a little difficult they quit posting. Are they unteachable, lazy, too busy, what? There's no way to choose just one answer as the only truth.

Others will work hard through the whole class. Those are the ones I know about because I can see the improvement from the first lesson to the last. Those are the success stories I know about.

I've had students who called themselves your equivalent of "unteachable" and in the first couple of assignments, I wondered if they were. By the end of the class, they were getting it. They were handing in assignments that were obviously humorous. To me, this was a clear indication of learning. Isn't that what teaching is? Teaching someone how to do things that results in them learning how to do them?

Why must this be about "buried abilities" as opposed to learning? There's no need to put humor on a pedastal. People play basketball all the time. Only a rare few make it to the NBA. There are people cracking jokes all the time, but only a rare few make it as stand-ups, professional humorists, comedy writers, etc.

We, as humorists, don't need a whole subclass of people who are humorless because they have no "buried abilities" to feel good about our own adeptness. Teaching people to find humor doesn't need to be explained away. It's like anything else. People can be taught art and music and writing and some will always be better than others. That's a given. But a little music in someone's life improves that life, just as adding a little humor does.

It can be taught. I've been doing it for years.

-- Joanna
 

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[FONT=&quot]I hear what you are saying Kevin. I unfortunately sat through the movie “White Chicks” the other day, it’s already free on cable.(wouldn't admit to paying to see it even if I did) Every punch line and gag was telegraphed from a mile away. I wouldn’t want to dumb down anything I might write. [/FONT]
 

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I agree. Seeing the punchline coming usually (not always) takes the humor right out of a situation. There are times though, when the build-up is so funny it makes the final punch hysterical. "I Love Lucy" writers used to pull this sort of thing off quite well. Hmm... I suppose it says something that I can't come up with a more contemporary example.

On the whole, I tend to find the unexpected more funny. But then, I like to be surprised. So when I write, I try to surprise the reader.

To the group in general:
What do you consider the key elements of good humor?

The first ones that pop into my head are:
Commonality, timing, and an element of surprise
 

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Oooh, good question :D I agree with yours, wholeheartedly. The element of surprise can be such a huge key to making people laugh, so much more than when they see it coming. Even better when you surprise them into thinking it's going one way, then turning it around so they end up laughing on multiple levels.

I love something that can make me laugh out-right, but also give me a good chuckle long afterward when I recall the deeper meaning. I also love the little asides - things that are tossed in and left for you to find. They're hiliarious if you do, but not vital if you don't.

A visual example would be movies like Shrek - where you're seeing a bunch of stuff passing by, obvious and not-so obvious. For instance, how many people saw Shrek 2 and noticed the screaming mob running from the gingerbread man ran OUT of a "Farbucks", crossed the road, and ran into another "Farbucks" ?

So I think one of my favorite key elements is subtlety. :D
 

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batyler65 said:
What do you consider the key elements of good humor?

Great question. I would agree that commonality is right up there. I have to say though, that I really don't know what it is that I do that works? Have you ever had a favourite aunt who makes THE best cake...but when you ask her for the recipe she has no idea what she puts in it...just a little of this and a little of that? The cake turns out great, but she can't write the recipe down. That's kind of what happens when I make people laugh. I don't know what it is I'm doing. That's the same reason I could never teach humour.
 

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I think you're right, KTC. It's either there or it isn't.

(Slips a banana skin under his foot and steps back, smirking.)
 

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I think that's a big part of it, what KTC said. Often I find myself simply retelling a story of something that happened, and I don't particularly try to make it funny, but people are laughing. They say it's my delivery, but it's just ME talking like ME.

Go figure.
:D
 

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batyler65 said:
What do you consider the key elements of good humor?

The first ones that pop into my head are:
Commonality, timing, and an element of surprise
Surprise is essential, as was said.

Some of the humor that works best relies on the illogic of transplanting a concept into an area where it doesn't belong. Illustration: The last time I got a laugh in a group was yesterday. Several people were sitting around a table in a coffeehouse. One man, let's call him John, told his e-mail address to another man, let's call this one Bill, who wrote it down. The address was aa112233@ [name of provider]. Then John told Bill that he was going to another city next week, and while he was here, he could be reached at the _____ Hotel. He said his room number was 456. (For the full effect, remember that all these numbers were spoken out loud. Four five six.)

I said to John, "How much do you pay for a room there, about seven eighty-nine?" That drew a laugh from the group. Then they decided that $78.90 was even better.
 
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Do you find some situations -- stories you've related perhaps -- that are very funny when told, but have difficulty translating to the written word and maintain the humor?
 

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MidnightMuse said:
Do you find some situations -- stories you've related perhaps -- that are very funny when told, but have difficulty translating to the written word and maintain the humor?

I am the other way around. I can usually portray humor much better in writing than I can when speaking. This could be because I drink a lot so I have a tendancy to slur when I talk.
 

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I think there are some stories that work better face to face, but given enough time, I suspect they can be made funny in writing as well. Most of it is in the delivery. A joke that is funny in a stand-up act won't play the same in an essay. But the tools for delivery are different. Usually if something won't translate for me, it is because I am trying too hard to squeeze a stand-up bit into written form. I find that if I stop trying to write it the way I would "speak it" and look for different ways to play up the humor, it goes much easier.

Barb
 

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I'm currently dealing with the opposite challenge for my first-ever public reading, in association with a literary humor site that runs a lot of my stuff. I finally resorted to reading several pieces I thought would work for a group of friends, and the one they liked/laughed at best is the one I'm going to do.
 

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Barb,

Thank you for the well-wishing - I was Internet-less for the weekend in the city, so I was not able to come back to AW until this evening. The reading did go well - at least I wasn't too nervous, it was a friendly crowd. And I enjoyed the chance to commune with fellow humorists and put voices and faces to a number of people whose work I've admired from a distance.

I ended up rewriting my piece a little bit in the hours before the performance, realizing that certain phrasings did not "sound" as clear as they read on the page. It was instructive.

-- Dale
 

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The thing that has always terrified me about writing comedy... is that I'm funny. I'm damn funny at times.

But to write comedy... you have to be ON all the time. You can't have a stretch where the piece ISN'T funny. Being funny on EVERY single page, consistently, is TOUGH. Much tougher than folks who don't write comedy realize.

It's like all the people who tell me I should do stand up. Because I'm funny.

Uh-uh. No friggin way.


Writing it's much the same thing.
 

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<b> Humor me this</b>

I have these writings. Humor writings. The kind of writings like Dennis Miller or Jenny McCarthy writings. No fantastic novel that took me many years to dream up but a bunch of thoughts and observations that went on through out my life.

I need to get this book made. They tell me I need a manuscript. But what should my manuscript look like?

I really want the book to be mysterious looking with a journal type feel but not so mixed up.

Should I get a agent?
An editor?
Should I self-publish or not?

Please guide me in the right direction.

I know the light bulb will come on sooner or later.
 

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bluemonarc said:
I need to get this book made. They tell me I need a manuscript. But what should my manuscript look like?

All your questions answered: http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26126

I really want the book to be mysterious looking with a journal type feel but not so mixed up.

That's up to the publisher's art department, marketing department, and production department.


Should I get a agent?

Probably. But if you pay an agent I will come to your house and mock you in person. If you go with The New York Literary Agency or any other similar scam (all they ask you to do is pay for a critique!) I will, again, come to your house and mock you in person.

An editor?

No. The publisher will give you all the editing you need, at no cost to yourself.


Should I self-publish or not?

If you self-publish you already know by name everyone who will buy a copy.

Please guide me in the right direction.

I know the light bulb will come on sooner or later.

Who do you see wanting to read your book? (The answer "Everyone!" is not the right answer.)
 
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