Antiques Roadshow Van Dyck really IS a Van Dyck

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-25539103

Father Jamie MacLeod brought an attractive man's portrait labeled "A. Van Dyck" to Antiques Roadshow last year.

Something about the face intrigued presenter Fiona Bruce, who had just been studying Van Dyck's oeuvre.

After a painstaking process of removing later layers of paint which had smoothed and prettified the composition, the painting was revealed. The man in the portrait had a highly finished face, but only a sketched-in ruff and a bit of dark background scribbled around the contours.

The newly revealed sketch was very similar to a known study for a now-destroyed Van Dyck group portrait.

Experts on Van Dyck have verified that the painting is indeed an authentic Van Dyck, possibly another study for the same painting.

Father MacLeod paid £400 for the painting at an antiques shop. Its current value is about £400,000, and Father MacLeod hopes to sell it and use the money to pay for new church bells as a memorial to the First World War.
 

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because I'm not familiar with the name, I assumed the title was a double entendre. :e2woo:

but that is great news! And an amazing find!

I hope the good Father gets enough for his bells and to help some folk!
 
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400K and he's out shopping for bells???

sheesh.

eta. I wonder who wrote 'A Van Dyke' on the painting? now there's a story....
 
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400K and he's out shopping for bells???

sheesh.

eta. I wonder who wrote 'A Van Dyke' on the painting? now there's a story....

Well, in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries it was sort of an aspirational thing, a bit of wishful thinking to identify whatever gungy old portrait you had lying around as hopefully something by whichever famous artist its style was closest to. It seems like just about every dark old portrait of a man in a ruff was labeled "Van Dyck." I think when Frans Hals was unfashionable some of his paintings might have been labeled "Van Dyck."

I've seen plenty of old paintings with laughable attributions on the little plaques in the frames.

Clearly the antique store that sold it assumed it was another of the thousands of vaguely seventeenth century European portraits which some past collector had labeled in a spirit of silly optimism. And perhaps they had. The overpainting was slick and probably meant to impress later tastes and to my eye did not look very like Van Dyck's style. It was only the face itself that was so well done.
 

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ah. didn't know that. thought someone left a real statement, interpreted as a joke or just ignored. darn it!

but thanks Alessndra, that's interesting.
 

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I think it is awesome that it was real.

And you don't need to be on Antiques Roadshow to find out you have a treasure.

Clients of mine were watching during one of the early seasons of the US version. There was a painting appraised at a fairly good price. They looked at each other and said: isn't that the same artist as that ugly painting in the closet that belonged to her Dad. They checked, and it was.

After she died (9 years ago this month) he got in touch with the gallery in St Louis that were specialists in the artist, and had done the appraisal on AR. They were like, well, it could be, but probably not, yadda yadda, but you can ship it to us and we'll take a look. He wasn't willing to ship it, but he was willing to crate it up and fly with it to St Louis. It was real, he left it on consignment, and his share after commissions when it sold was a little over $70K.

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'Roadshow' is fun, but one thing to remember is that every single attendee pays $$$ to stand in line for the appraisers. No matter what the outcome.

Still, a cool story.

Huh?

I went to a filming of it last year and took a late Victorian doll that I inherited. It turned out to be worth not very much. We paid precisely nothing to go - nothing for the car parking or the bus up to the stately home where they were filming. Nothing to speak to the expert. Nothing to eat our packed lunch. We could have bought food there, but we didn't have to.
 

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I would so love to have something like that happen to me. Good for him and a nice use of the money.

The only time I made money on an antique made me feel guilty. It was an 1870s family bible (not my family, one I picked up at an antique book shop) from a not-very-exciting publisher who flooded the market with them after the Civil War. I put it up on eBay and two inexperienced bidders got into a bidding war and ran up the price. It ended about 50% above what the bookstores were bidding. The winning bidder was happy, though.
 

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They staged an event in Phoenix a few years ago, and prospective attendees were told they needed to pay an attendance fee of a couple of hundred dollars. This was two gallery owners trying to get some old China appraised, and it might have been some kind of professional fee. I'll look into it.
 

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They staged an event in Phoenix a few years ago, and prospective attendees were told they needed to pay an attendance fee of a couple of hundred dollars. This was two gallery owners trying to get some old China appraised, and it might have been some kind of professional fee. I'll look into it.

There does probably need to be some kind of a filtering system for events like this. If you want a free appraisal, there are probably other ways of going about it, and if there aren't, then I guess that's just how people who appraise stuff make a living.
 

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ETA: Now I'm not sure which event my friends attended. The Roadshow site and FAQ says tickets cost nothing and are awarded in a lottery system. And Roadshow experts are forbidden from doing off-camera or subsequent business with attendees.

Still, nothing I own is ever going to be worth standing in line for three to five hours for a cursory five-minute examination. Not when I have internet and library access.
 
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It might be different in the US. Or it might have been an event called something like roadshow but not actually the TV show? Dunno. I definitely paid nothing when I went and we enjoyed a really lovely day in the grounds of a beautiful stately home, nosily watching everyone else's items and sneaking into camera shot whenever we could.
 

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Still, nothing I own is ever going to be worth standing in line for three to five hours for a cursory five-minute examination. Not when I have internet and library access.

Oh I don't know, it's not always easy to tell from photos etc whether your thing is the same or a fake unless you're an expert (I once had something that I could not find online at all. Sadly, did not turn out to be worth a fortune!)

A guy from my town rolled up to the Antiques Roadshow with plastic bag full of silver trinkets he found under his Dad's bed after he died (or something similar). He knew nothing about silver at all. Turned out he had a mint there (Tens of thousands at least). In a placcy bag...
 
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