Fantasy insults - no swearing allowed!

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Firstly, this is not a thread that, once again, explores all the problems of foul language and swearing in non-Earth contexts.

This thread is about insults. While swear-words might be used, they are not the focus of the thread.

Firstly, I was wondering how people explore and develop insults that fit into their fantasy (or sci-fi, I'm not picky) cultures and languages. For example, in my main focus the language is English, but it is an English minus much of the Latin/Greek/French influence - it is an English influenced by other Germanic languages, plus Welsh and Irish.

Lucky for me, most English insults are from Old English. What I'm more interested in is how you develop the insults themselves in context of the culture you are creating.

For example, what animals are despised or seen as untrustworthy? Are people decried for eating certain animals? For fear? For their sexual practices? What is viewed as taboo, and what should not be spoken of even as an insult?

A culture that does not see illegitimacy as a stain would not turn the word 'bastard' into an insult. Similarly, if horses are held in esteem, calling a woman a 'mare' might not be viewed insultingly. On the other hand, if oaths are sacred then calling someone an 'oath-breaker' is not only an insult, but an accusation. In my culture, the word 'worth' governs the concepts of honour, trustworthiness, and reputation. Thus to call someone 'worthless' is to call them dishonourable, untrustworthy, of ill-repute and incapable of staying faithful to their oaths.

There are also the words you choose to use. If you are going for an older feel, how do you create it? Do you delve into older English? Do you create your own words? Personally, I like the word 'swive.' It was the original English word for 'fuck' (probably from a Scandinavian or general North Germanic word). Not only does it provide another potential swear-word (or not, depending on what words your culture considers taboo - 'eat' could be a foul word in a culture that declares that eating must be done in provate), but it alliterates beautifully with the word 'swine'. 'Swine-swiving' is thus not only alliterative and a joy to say, but has a good, old-fashioned feel that suits my world (called Middangard, btw - a mix of Old Norse Midgard and Old English middangeard). Generally, bestiality seems to be looked down on in many cultures.

So - what sort of insults have you developed for your new worlds and cultures?

And, yes, I have an obsession for word etymology. Blame Middangard - I've been spending too much time looking into word origins in order to construct said version of English. It is extremely difficult to find a suitable Germanic-origin word for 'confuse/confound' or for 'party/celebration.'
 

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I once used the Cuss-o-matic on serendipity for 'pirate talk'.
I used;

"Exalted bastard son of a pestilent reptile-brained..."
" Putrid spawn of a trogg"
" good for nothing entitled buffoon"
" good for nothing, son of a scumrag piece of uselessness"

And

" mangy ball o’ fur"

They sound ridiculous so I think I may have to change them later on. But they add comedy to the story, don't you think?
 

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For my works involving magic, the insults usually have to do with not being able to work magic correctly and, for some reason, are often called by the same names as symptoms of ED.

For Sci Fi, the classic has to be "scruffy-looking nerf herder".
 

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I did this once. Later, I went back and changed all my dialog to straightforward English with everyday idiomatic expressions.
 

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One of my fantasy races is bird-like, so they have some pretty different ideas of what's insulting. The animal that symbolizes evil for them is the weasel, mainly because weasels eat their eggs. So calling someone a weasel or an egg-eater is a pretty extreme insult. Eggless (meaning infertile, impotent) is also a moderately strong insult.

I also have a human fantasy culture. They are strongly clan based - a man who doesn't belong to a clan has no last name and is assumed to be honorless, dangerous, and religiously unclean. So calling someone nameless, disowned, or repudiated is highly insulting if it isn't true, and even when it is true it's something people would wince to hear.

The third fantasy race is pretty easy-going, so they tend to have only minor insults like calling someone self-absorbed, ruthless, shallow, greedy, etc. Mateless (the equivalent of single) is also a mild insult since they have a belief that a healthy adult should have one or two lovers.
 

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The key to insults is to not force them but use your own wit. Forced insults are always without legs.
 

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"Why you no-good, scruffy-looking...nerf-herder!"

"Who are you calling scruffy-looking?"
 

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What's the alien insult from ALIEN NATION?

"Your mother breeds out of season!"

The comment above captures it: You can reveal a goldmine of character and cultural insight, by revealing what is or isn't considered an insult or vulgar.
 

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In my current novel, the term 'bastard' is a pretty high insult to the ruling class, while 'grass rat' is considered the highest insult an outsider can use when speaking to a nomad clansmen. Some of the upper class consider calling someone an 'island girl' as an insult, while people from the island don't find that insulting at all, but to them calling someone a 'bird eater' would be the worst insult in the history of insults.
 

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For my current WIP, I use mostly the "typical American English" context. So most insults are based around what a typical modern American can easily understand.

One of my races is genetically cloned (through artificial insemination), so calling someone of their culture "natural born" or a "birther" is considered insulting.

As an interesting twist of words, "slave" means different things depending on the culture in my world. To the protagonist and his party, "slave" refers to someone forced without will to do whatever a master tells them to do, ownership of another person's physical body, etc. To the other major population (the clones), "slave" means something similar to "husband," though they are far more dedicated to their "master's needs" than the stereotypical husband on the modern era. In contrast, "husband," "parents," "mom, dad, sister, etc." are all completely foreign words. So calling someone from that race “bastard” really has no meaning to them.

One race uses currency they call "chits" (which can be coins or paper) while the other simply calls it coinage or money. So saying someone is a "chitless vagabond" has meaning in one part of the world, but means literally nothing in the other, where "penniless" might mean the same thing to the other.
 

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"Why you no-good, scruffy-looking...nerf-herder!"

"Who are you calling scruffy-looking?"
:ROFL:

Right on.

This thread is awesome, and I have nothing intelligent to add. However, I want you to know that I clicked on the thread because I thought this would be about fantasy-referenced insults. And truthfully, that might not have even interested me except that my 6-year-old nephew was here to visit this weekend. He recently finished reading The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, and during a weird conversation over our taco lunch, he answered his father's joke with "Eus Scrubb!"

Six years old. I was so proud. :D
 

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I'm writing a tale set in a steampunk/western kinda world where there are two distinct cultures - people who fly about on airships and live on mountaintops, flying trading posts and sky yachts, and people who live on the ground, farming and stuff. Those in the air look down on those who live on the ground (no pun intended) and see them as simple, unimaginative, boring, and generally lower-class. Those who live on the ground view those who live in the air as either snobbish scoundrels who waste their time with frivolities or ruthless bandits who have too much greed and not enough morals. (They're both half-right, actually).
So, skymen often use insults like dusty or ground-rat to refer to landsmen. Insults traded between skymen are things like 'scuffer' (a leaky or overloaded airship that scuffs the ground, also refers to a worn and/or dirty envelope), drifter (refers to drifting with the wind, usually a sign of an inattentive helmsman and/or an unskilled crew) or flapper (flapping sails are badly trimmed and therefore inefficient, a sign of a lazy or unskilled crew). There's a few Mexican and mock-Mexican words in there as well, for flavour.
Landsmen use more standard insults, albeit slightly dated (scoundrel, for example) but certain things are meant differently - for instance, 'head in the clouds' is a little stronger in this context.
 

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My favorite fantasy insult is from a TV Mini-Series - 10th Kingdom (I think it was)

"Suck an Elf".

It amused me that it made it past the censors.
 

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Remember that social class was very important to people in our earth's middle ages.

Various words that are considered insults; knave, villain, varlet, churl, etc, were all just words for poor country folk, people at the bottom of the social pyramid.

Likewise, among aristocratic people, being compared to common tradesmen was also insulting. Even in the twentieth century, the Emperor of Germany insulted the english people as being a nation of "butchers, bakers, and candlestick makers." (or was that Napoleon?) Anyway, insult someone by implying that they are from a lowly class.
 

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Sarpedon reminds me of something said just a couple of months ago ("small people").

But for me, in my stories, I don't have any insults.

In my worlds, all individuals and species treat one another equally and with the utmost respect. There is no strife, just a continuous utopian peace.

If I could only figure out why all my stories all get rejected...


But wait - I've just invented a couple of insults for this thread. Anyone can use them as long as they give me credit:

For a Fantasy story: Your mother reads sci-fi!

For a Science Fiction story: Your mother watches the SyFy Channel!
 

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I've found that "Your mother has exceedingly poor hygiene!" is often effective across cultural divisions, as long as the targeted creature is aware of the concept of a mother and of hygiene. :)
 

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One of my favourite insults comes from Poul Anderson's "Trader to the Stars."

"You illegitimate spawn of a snake with dandruff and a cheese mite."
 

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Remember that social class was very important to people in our earth's middle ages.

Various words that are considered insults; knave, villain, varlet, churl, etc, were all just words for poor country folk, people at the bottom of the social pyramid.

Likewise, among aristocratic people, being compared to common tradesmen was also insulting. Even in the twentieth century, the Emperor of Germany insulted the english people as being a nation of "butchers, bakers, and candlestick makers." (or was that Napoleon?) Anyway, insult someone by implying that they are from a lowly class.

I thought it was Napoleon and the insult was "shopkeepers"...but I have no idea except that "a nation of shopkeepers" was the core of somebody's insult aimed at the English.
 

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I just use references to body parts and gross substances.
 

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heh. I tend to not be very good at making up insults. So I work around them in a fantasy world.

One story I'm tinkering with while letting my last WIP cool down, I have a character who's from our world sucked into a fantasy writers WIP. (yes, I am finally trying to make that satire monster) There is a character that followers her around from a made up race called Cetars in there.

Generally they're very quiet, polite, pacifists. Everything he is not. He says some insult in his own language that makes everyone in the room freak out but the MC, who has no clue what he said.

There is even a guy who draws a sword and challenges him to a duel on the grounds that he's never been so insulted.

Sometimes, Its the reaction that counts, not the words.
 

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I'm actually surprised that nobody has said this yet:

"Your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elderberries!"
 

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One of my favourite insults comes from Poul Anderson's "Trader to the Stars."

"You illegitimate spawn of a snake with dandruff and a cheese mite."

So unwieldy it makes my eyes bleed. :(

Should have stuck with, "You mangy snake-bastard!"
 

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Your mother mates outside her species

Your mother loved an Orc, which certainly goes a long way to explaining your appearance

You tree-hugging, magic-using, cross-breed son of a drunken galley slave

You're lower than a dragon's belly scales and twice as hard, headed, that is

You really do have dragon breath

You parasite-brained spawn of a shoggoth

Gee, this is kinda' fun...

:)
 

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There are epithets that are phrases and those that are words. I like the word ones for situations when you are surprised or in pain. But they can be difficult if they aren't commonly used.

In some ways, phrases are easier. "Son of a goat" is pretty explicit. "cosher" might need some context. (cosh is a club or cudgel. A cosher would be a thief who clubs their prey from behind. Think bushwhacker. Yes, I made it up)

Sexual: Yeah, well, we all know these.
Intelligence: numskull
Station: bumpkin
Courage: spineless, chum, yellow leg
Parentage: son of a fillintheblank, mongrel, waif.
Religious: damned, devil, imp, demon, etc
Weak/crippled: flaccid, gimp
Bodily function/waste: sheepdip, plop, yeah, we all know these too.
Cultural: very complex sometimes. Ethnicity based, national based, subcultures, station, etc all mixed together.

Find out what is important in your world, and then build some fun words. Instead of "oath breaker" go with jackjaw or something like that.

In any case, be consistent, have more than one, and make them fun. I think creative swearing can add to a fantasy novel if done well.
 
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