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People are always bleating that swearing is a sign of low intelligence, limited vocabulary and lack of sexual potency (probably.) But those mother****ers don't know s**t. If you're a young man of dubious moral standing - like me, for example - you'll know that like smoking, swearing is clever and makes you look hard. Discuss.

Seriously though, bearing in mind that it's the 21st century and we're all at least semi-literate and moderately intelligent, how many of you guys are actually offended by strong language, and why? Or do you think that considering part of the language to be obscene is obscene in itself?
I know lots of different ways of saying "please leave my immediate vicinity," "you are a mean and obnoxious person" and "could I trouble you to place a quantity of used banknotes into this retail outlet-supplied polythene instrument of portage," but I'd tend for the sake of clarity to use the abridged version. How about you?

Does swearing get your back up, or do you consider it a valid way of expressing your intent? Is the TV version of Midnight Run as funny as the uncut version? Would Reservoir Dogs have been better if they all called each other sweetheart?

And, to get to the actual point, Is protecting the delicate sensibilities of the easily-offended more important than portraying realistic characters?
 

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Swearing does not offend me as a reader, but I'd hope that it's used sparingly to make a point. It'll get old very quickly if every other word out of a character's mouth starts with F. I have a character who's a peasant and kind of rough. He cusses. The guys he hangs with cuss. It's part of their image. Another character does not, even though the people she hangs with often do. As she puts it, "my mouth and my arse have different purposes." :)
 

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I'm not easily offended. Swearing doesn't get my fur up. In the right situation, I can string enough four-letter words together to make Zaz blush. What does offend me is racial slurs. However, I do recognize the need for characterization in writing. If the character would use a racial slur, I have no problem writing it (or reading it). If that offends someone, then they probably shouldn't read my stuff.
 

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I agree Cindy, though IMO racial slurs are a whole different issue, and one that I actually have difficulty understanding (a bastardisation of a simple Latin adjective adopted by those purported to be offended by it while its literal English translation is deemed inoffensive... I don't get it so I just steer clear!)
 

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I've never been offended by swearing in and of itself, I suppose it depends on the context. Obviously, if someone is swearing at me, then I will regard it as a reflection of their stupidity;). If someone is swearing in order to hurl abuse at someone else, then I think that is offensive. But then again, someone doesn't have to be swearing in order to do that. I don't think a hammer will mind you swearing at it after you've smashed your thumb.

I think less is more when it comes to swearing in writing, and every swear word needs to be justified, the same as any other element in a story.
 

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I'm not easily offended, either, unless you use God's name in vain (i.e. for something other than prayer, praise, or a religious discussion) or are calling people names that denigrate their race, color, religion, or gender. Don't call your girlfriend your "ho". Call a homosexual a homosexual, not a fag. (Don't get me started on the co-opting of the word "gay"....) Arabs aren't "rag-heads". A man wearing a yarmulke is NOT wearing a beanie. And I won't even spell out the N word you'd better omit if you're talking to me about someone whose color is dark.

The F word and other crude words referring to bodily functions? I wince, but I won't get mad. (I may even occasionally say "Damn!" myself, or "Oh, ****! when I drop something heavy on my foot.) However, since I don't normally talk that way and don't enjoy being talked to that way, I may not like being around you very much if cussing is a large part of your vocabulary, I won't buy your cuss-word-filled books, CDs or movies (like The Commitments, which set a new record as far as I'm concerned with the numbers of F words in it), and I will pity the people in your life who have to listen to it day in, day out. (And if you really want a lecture, use really foul language in front of kids while I'm around. I'll rip you a new one, even if I don't know you. :box: )

OK, I'm done... :Soapbox:

PS We have more new smileys!! :snoopy:
 

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three seven said:
People are always bleating that swearing is a sign of low intelligence, limited vocabulary and lack of sexual potency (probably.) But those mother****ers don't know s**t. If you're a young man of dubious moral standing - like me, for example - you'll know that like smoking, swearing is clever and makes you look hard. Discuss.

Seriously though, bearing in mind that it's the 21st century and we're all at least semi-literate and moderately intelligent, how many of you guys are actually offended by strong language, and why? Or do you think that considering part of the language to be obscene is obscene in itself?
I know lots of different ways of saying "please leave my immediate vicinity," "you are a mean and obnoxious person" and "could I trouble you to place a quantity of used banknotes into this retail outlet-supplied polythene instrument of portage," but I'd tend for the sake of clarity to use the abridged version. How about you?

Does swearing get your back up, or do you consider it a valid way of expressing your intent? Is the TV version of Midnight Run as funny as the uncut version? Would Reservoir Dogs have been better if they all called each other sweetheart?

And, to get to the actual point, Is protecting the delicate sensibilities of the easily-offended more important than portraying realistic characters?

Excessive swearing doesn't offend me, and if it's really pertinent to the story, it doesn't bother me. I don;t even mind a swear word or two in person WHEN there's a reason for them.

At the same time, people who can't talk without inserting swear words in every sentence are people I don't want to hang around with. I think it is a sign of a poor vocabulary, low moral fibre, and questionable intelligence. But mostly it's a sign the person knows very little about communication, and hasn't bothered to learn that people pay less attention to people who use such language.
 

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If it fits the story and characters. If I want a cuss-free book, I'll go in the YA or Christian section. I know if I go into the mainstream or suspense section, I'm going encounter swearing. That's perfectly fine with me.

I swear like a sailor myself anyway.
 

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Betty, just so we're clear, was that a personal attack or just a generalisation? I noticed a couple of 'if's in there but it's kind of ambiguous and I'd like to be sure before I formulate my response...
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Jamesaritchie said:
people who can't talk without inserting swear words in every sentence are people I don't want to hang around with. I think it is a sign of a poor vocabulary, low moral fibre, and questionable intelligence. But mostly it's a sign the person knows very little about communication, and hasn't bothered to learn that people pay less attention to people who use such language.
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I swear like a sailor myself
Just so I'm being clear, I'm talking specifically about works of fiction, and not whether you think Ray is uneducated!
 

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Mmmm, profanity - my favorite.

Swearing doesn't bother me. I swear all the time.:wag:


It can be overdone. There's a movie that comes to mind that seemed to drop the f-bomb in willie-nillie. It didn't make much sense to me or should I say I wouldn't have used the f-bomb in those places.
 

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I swear if I am ticked off about something or upset about something. That is actually how people can tell when I am angry. So when I read something and the characters are angry/upset/scared and they swear, then I assume they are being perfectly normal.

Of course, I dont know sh%$

ha ha ha

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When I'm in the privacy of my own home, and when I'm writing, I use swear words liberally. It's how I talk. It's how most of my characters talk. If people get offended, tough cookies. ;)

Though I watch myself very carefull at home and work and usually my language is perfectly clean unless I'm really angry (I've been swearing a lot at the Registar's office lately...)
 

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I only use cussing when it seems appropriate. Early on in my first book, a husband slaps his wife, who turns around and slaps him back even harder, calling him a "son of a you-know-what." The scene wouldn't have as much punch if she called him a "bad bad man," now would it?

I, personally, use cuss words all the time, but I realize not everyone does, and I keep the number of them in my work at a minimum.
 

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Ok, I'm finding this interesting. Can anyone tell me why they find these words offensive when used in general speech, and not as an insult or threat?
 

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three seven said:
Ok, I'm finding this interesting. Can anyone tell me why they find these words offensive when used in general speech, and not as an insult or threat?
I'd say these words are out of place in general speech because you don't want to be offensive, you want to communicate in a civilized way.

On the contrary, an insult (or a threat) is meant to be offensive, so you just forget all your education and throw the worst words you can think of (and you sometimes even feel good doing it.)
 

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One author's view

"But orcs and trolls spoke as they would, without love of words or things; and their language was actually more degraded and filthy than I have shown it. I do not suppose that any will wish for a closer rendering, though models are easy to find. Much of the same sort of talk can still be heard among the orc-minded; dreary and repetitive with hatred and contempt, too long removed from good to retain even verbal vigour, save in the ears of those to whom only the squalid sounds strong." --J.R.R. Tolkien


Bravo, professor.
 

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Interesting discussion, Three.

I've recently started my second novel (without the first one being completely finished, I might add) and one of the main characters tends to swear quite a bit. Okay, more than I do. The first word/thought we hear from him jumps straight to F---. I was a bit surprised when I typed it, but it fits his character (and yes, Betty, he takes the Lord's name in vain a bit, too; it's just the way he is). I'm eager to hear what my writing group thinks about the language (and the story and the characters and all of it) when we meet this coming Sunday, whether they think it is gratuitous or if I've managed to pull it off or if they even really notice it as much as I have or if it just doesn't matter because the story is reading as trite and predictable anyway.
 

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I did a workshop once where the instructor talked about swearing and cussing. Through the entire workshop he never used one swear word. Near the end he used the f word--just once. I tell you what, everyone sat up in their seats and took notice. He made his point. Use too many and no even notices them, if they keep reading, and really ask yourself if you hadn't written the book would you be reading one chock full of f this and f that?

Use them sparingly and the reader will take note, the word or words will have power in them.

One of my older kids (he’s almost 30 now) uses the f word to describe everything--it's f'n this and f'n that. Is the word needed? No. When he says I went to the f'n store cause I had to get some f'n beer, and the f'n place had a long f'n line--I want to laugh out loud.

And i don't want to listen to him. What, he can't find any better way to decribe things that he must resort to a swear word? That I think is the main reason that swearing is seen as a sign of low intelligence.

I see 2000+ people a day at 7-11. Take the early AM people, teachers, executives, even construction works, those employed and on their way to work, and since we are on the Austin route--those who are better educated. I rarely hear a swear word.

It's I went to the corner store, because i needed some Coors, and the line was incredibly long. Gee, actual descriptions, no cop outs cause they can't use their brain to describe something.

Let's get into late second shift and midnights--same number of people, but now we see the unemployed, the school drop outs--those from the drug haven apartments across the street--it's back to f'n this and f'n that.

I wonder why? (Sarcasm intended)

I think any use of "shock" words needs to be weighed. Yeah, a character might swear, but when the author starts putting them into author voice, I wonder about their skill as a writer--see above--they couldn't think of any better word to use?

Just my opinion, not an attack on anyone.

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That "name in vain" thing

Speaking as a non-Christian, I'm not at all offended when people or characters "take the Lord's name in vain," and my very presence would probably offend Betty to no end because when I use Deities' names in my swearing, it's shameless and it's plural. Thing about being Pagan is, you've got a lot of Gods you can swear by, and none of them that I know of have laid down laws telling you not to.

Now, my characters tend to use what you'd most often hear, though. "Jesus H. Christ!" and "what the hell?" and "dammit!" and of course the f-bomb, which is used sparingly so as not to dilute its effect. I do have a few characters that swear in Pagan, but only a very few, and only once it's been established that such out-of-the-ordinary cussing is in character for them. Otherwise it would jar the reader.

But, speaking of the Second Commandment (or Third, depending on your specific religion and denomination), I do find myself puzzled by the frequency with which I hear it violated. Seems to me that no one, be they Christian, Jew, or Wiccan, has any reason to do so. Those who value the commandment oughtn't to, because, duh, the God they believe in said don't. And those who don't believe in that particular God oughtn't to, because, given that they don't believe in Him, their taking of His name in vain has absolutely no meaning to their very own selves. I mean, really, think about it: Why does my husband say "Jesus!" when he's annoyed? Why am I tempted to say "Oh my God!" Neither of us find those words meaningful enough to make them worth swearing on. Contrariwise, if we did find them meaningful, we would, like Betty, believe it was wrong to swear on them. Right?

It's one of the western world's most ubiquitous examples of lazy speech. Most of us just do it out of habit, whether we believe it's wrong or we believe it's meaningless.

Lazy speech. It's why I try to remember to swear by things like "crudmonkeys" and "all the Gods in alphabetical order." And it's why my characters, who have to be believable, generally don't. If they weren't lazy like the rest of us, they wouldn't be very believable, would they?
 

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And in American we do tend to be the of the lazy speech kind. Just watch or listen to some try to order something--if it has a long name they shorten it. Why else would we have so many acronyms?

Thank you for the words--Lazy Speech that is exaclty what I was after.

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three seven said:
Does swearing get your back up, or do you consider it a valid way of expressing your intent? Is the TV version of Midnight Run as funny as the uncut version? Would Reservoir Dogs have been better if they all called each other sweetheart?

And, to get to the actual point, Is protecting the delicate sensibilities of the easily-offended more important than portraying realistic characters?
I spent twenty years as active duty Navy, so no, strong language in and of itself isn't a problem. Overuse is.
Your characters need to be as real as you can make them. A stevedore is not a nun, and they shouldn't speak the same way.

Question:
Are you discriminating among swearing, cursing, oaths, and vulgarity?

If not, why not?
 

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NicoleJLeBoeuf said:
Speaking as a non-Christian, I'm not at all offended when people or characters "take the Lord's name in vain,"

You'll pardon any sarcasm, I hope, while I note that that's usually the case with most non-Christians ;)

I swear frequently when I'm by myself, but curtail when I'm around other people. I may put on a mask of disingenuity about swear words "Why would anyone think "***" is any different from "rump"?" in order to make an occasional point; I'm quite aware that a good many people find them objectionable, so, in order to get along with other people, I stop swearing, or judge a tolerance for it and go from there (I can usually get away with "damn" and "hell" in front of my mom, but you forget about saying anything worse than that.")

I swear because I find that the sounds of the words satisfy certain...er...linguistic feelings? "****" and "Crap" mean the same thing, and get used in exactly the same way but "****" hits harder, and lets off more steam.

I seriously doubt that a "rough" vocabulary is any sign of a *limited* vocabulary, or a serious deficiency in intelligence. How many intelligent things can you say when you bash your thumb in with a hammer?

"Never use a three dollar word when a .50c one will do."

-Mark Twain, hopefully.
 

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I swear all the time about things, but I never (or rarely) swear at people. It's rare that I feel negative enough about a person to swear at them. If their ideas don't entirely mesh with mine, I tend to try to debate the issue, rather than resort to name-calling. My computer, on the other hand, must have very low self-esteem by now, because I really do lay into it. I swear when I stub my toe. I swear at car drivers who soak me with dirty water when driving past too fast (but not if they can hear) and car drivers who have parked on the pavement (but not if they can hear - although sometimes I give them a polite, but firm 'piece of my mind'). My everyday speech is peppered with swearwords. So much so, that I have to be very very careful when I'm visiting my in-laws, grandparents or friends with children. My own parents don't give a cr*p - no doubt that's where I get it from (and also where I get the not swearing at people, but swearing about things distinctin).

In my writing, there is not very much swearing, though. I think this is probably because it's like being in the company of in-laws, grandparents and children. That's not to say there isn't any swearing at all. But I think, as others have said, it tends to be more effective when used sparingly.

As I'm not offended by swearing myself (except when it's directed at me), what annoye me more than a book, film or TV-show peppered with swear words, is one that has none at all. The need not to use swear words before the watershed means that British soap characters do not use swear words. Despite the fact that many of these characters are the sort of people who would use them all the time in real life. To me, these words are just a part of life and a realistic piece of fiction (whether it be for TV, the big screen, or the printed page) needs to include them (in the relevant places), if it's to be realistic.

So, actually, perhaps there should be more swearing in my writing, after all? Hmm. That's something to look at in rewrite, I think.
 

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studies have shown that people who swear do so oftentimes out of self-confidence. i personally don't have a problem telling someone to f-off if that's exactly what i mean to say. i, too, curse a thousand times a day. and guess what? people i know in real life usually confuse me with an intelligent person because between all the cursing there's sometimes a thought mixed in.

i find it hilarious to see the words 'intelligent' and 'educated' within close proximity of each other. lemme tell y'all something, some of the dumbest, and i mean truly stupid people, i know have the pieces of paper to prove their dumbassedness. where i work it's mandatory that management have degrees, and i'll be flat-out honest when i say there's literally not a single one of the fools in upper management (most of whom i know personally) who i'd let run my car wash. some swear, most don't, though. odd, that, eh? those who don't swear don't swear because they're too intelligent (oh, far from it), but it's the culture they're a part of. they don't swear because that's not a part of how someone thinks they're supposed to act. you don't find salesmen swearing because they're afraid of blowing a deal. when you spending the majority of your waking life not swearing at work, it's easy to see how that carries over. am i offended by swear words? hah! wanna know what offends me? when a president gets in front of a national audience and avers, 'i did not have sex with that woman.' when a person who can't run their own lives tries to run mine. when a single mother of four children lives off their mother, but won't get a job or on some kind of assistance, all the while looking down her nose at me because i don't go to church three times a week (true story).

in real life, if someone swears to make or emphasize a point, there's no problems on my end. by the same token, if i know it offends someone, i'll *try* not to swear, but, hey, don't ask me my opinion on my union boss if you don't want to hear a colourful list of select words. it's like putting your hand on a stovetop, know what i mean? then again, i also don't trust people who 1) actually has a desire to be my boss (a more flawed personality trait i can hardly imagine) and 2) someone who doesn't have any prejudices. sorry, but to me, if you don't hate someone or something, you're not a real person.

i say all that because those are my experiences based in real life and i expect characters to be real. my WIP uses blue language profusely not to shock or emphasize. quite the contrary. i use them so often they have absolutely no meaning. still, though i know it's not always the technically correct thing to do based on real life, i'll refrain from my more 'intelligent' characters using swear words just because most readers have a misunderstanding of them and their psychological realities. 'dumb people swear' is pretty much the erroneous rule. that 'rule' has absolutely no basis in reality and not a single legitimate leg to stand on. then again, if you judge a person's intelligence based on the work they do (or don't do), you've got serious problems, lol. the manner in which they speak, cussing notwithstanding, is a more accurate judgement, but, still, it's hardly more than *indicative*, and not to be confused with rock-solid fact. but, idiots often confuse 'intelligence' with 'education,' i presume because they possess neither, lol.

high-moral fibre. i scoff at that very notion and dismiss it out of hand when comparing non-swearing people and their righteousness. anyone who wants to IM me ( brandysno1guy -- don't laugh, my wife made that up while i was asleep), will probably find me quite a reasonable person... who swears a sihtload. and if there's a heaven, i'm fairly confident i'll get in before most lawyers, politicians, used car salesmen, CEO or president. what, someone thinks you get to be president by being a nice guy? please. you don't get to a position of true power without being a son-of-a-*****. i think that's worth bearing in mind for characters. you can be a nice guy when you go home to your family at night, but once you're in that boardroom or on the battlefield, effective decisions don't always equate to doing the right thing. i'll make a deal with people with supposedly high-moral fibre: don't send my son overseas to kill and die for no damn good reason and you can swear all you want. don't close the plant where i make my living to send my job to a third-world siht-box then raise my taxes a minute later to make up for the loss of city revenue, and you can skywrite f_ _ _ in thousand foot letters.

as mentioned, swear words have exactly as much power as you give them. i think that's important to consider when writing. are you going to give them power or take that power away based on your own personal opinions of how things *should* be? if you do that, who, if anyone, are you disservicing? if you haven't heard a racial slur uttered in the last two years, what sunshine-ville are you living in, and can such a hothouse flower be trusted to inflict their own moral fibre on people from such a removed place? this is really telling of a character who goes out of their way not to swear, too. what's their reasoning for it? not everyone should swear if it makes them uncomfortable, of course, but if your CEO just laid-off 30,000 right before x-mas (which is a very typical time for lay-offs as it fits into their fiscal quarters) so he could make that bonus incentive, yet refused to mutter a 'profane' word, how much more hypocracy does there have to be there to 'justify' his murder by a disgruntled employee who *does* swear, but who's otherwise just a regular guy who has to take a crappy factory job to take care of his family? who's the more profane? you might as well make the absurd claim that people of low moral fibre smoke, too. as opposed to those of high moral fibre who drink too much wine.

naturally, i find it just perfectly fitting for this backwards, unwordly country to draw distinction between 'damn' and 'siht.' oh, my gawd! OO boobs! avert thine virgin eyes! americans are like that, though. stupid americans. that's why we make the best characters. germans make lousy characters because they're smarter than we are and have their philosophies figured out. only americans do one thing and say another, tout freedom while being the first to repress people's rights (well, the chinese are pretty good about that, too, and i wonder how many of them swear up a storm?).

in real life, i've little to no real corrolation between moral fibre/intelligence (which lumping the two together is itself hilariously unthought-out, as if the two hold hands on a sandy beach at sunset) and swearing. in my example of the unwed mother of four above, the woman refuses to swear. nevermind she breaks all kinds of codes of morals and ethics that most reasonable people hold, she won't cuss, boy howdy. but, people i respect and who *happen* to be christian or muslim (oddly, i don't know any jewish people, though i imagine there'd be no difference there) might swear every now and then if you get their dander up. sure, it's hypocritical (last i looked, swearing wasn't a sin, but, c'mon, it probably kinda is, but i reckon it's on the level of ordering that piece of tirimasu after you're already full), but it's not an issue unless they make it one. don't say i shouldn't use the f-word when an hour ago i just head 'siht' come out of your mouth, then defend it by saying, 'oh, that's different. your word is worse and plus i was mad when i said it.' oh, okay, hypocrite, i guess you're right, being of such high moral fibre and all, at least when it's convenient.

that's what this rant boils down to for me: if you're a hypocrite with an easily destroyed position, you may convince someone to lead a highly 'moral' and repressed life, but you're only convincing those easily fooled. how can a writer be a hypocrite and possibly write believable characters? by extension, all those characters are flawed, and while character flaws are essential to avoid having a mary sue, it's also of paramount importance to recognize that they *are* flaws not to be confused with being right. i think your character can start out being profance and through a series of events become righteous, and as a result probably will drop the use of swear words, but i say that that's a case of making a conscious decision and not by some de facto situation where 'naturally' swearing is stopped. obviously, speech patterns reflect the culture. the comment about people who swear having a lower sexual capacity or urge or whatever is patently ridiculous.

in short, education illicits a culture wherein swearing is not encouraged for whatever reason. education does NOT make a person morally strong by itself. high moral fibre does not encourage swearing, either, but nor should it promote hypocracy. don't think you're any less of a sinner, if cussing is a sin, for saying 'damn' when what you want to say is 'f'. it's a great character flaw to work out, but a poor standard to live by if your intention is the same for either word. if you scream at the car in front of you for cutting you off, is your god going to consider the difference between 'you siht!' as oppsed to 'you monkeydoodle!'? pretty ridiculous when the force behind it is still vitriol-based invective, eh? lol. that's another great character growth: the character who forcibly restrains her speech and through a process of growth lets loose at last in a tirade, which may exlemplify her freedom.

i like the comment about the son who swears profusely and it's a comical thing. that poster has a prejudice against people who swear. i know i can trust her to a certain extent, heh heh (though, as i recall without looking back at the post, my opinion is the assertions otherwise made are pretty ignorant, no offense. at least the assertions were backed-up with examples). while i think it's right to give the words themselves absolutely no credence, which they don't deserve, i can't agree that the content is unworthy merely because it's not to the listeners preferences.

here in dayton it's actually a city ordinance you can't use foul or offensive language in public. you can be cited. yep, that's what i call freedom in a totally unrepressive society, you betcha. what i find even more amazing is people are offended by words. be offended by the content and/or intent.

other ridiculous assertions:

people who swear:

...are violent

...are more prone to drugs and alcohol (if this is true, it's only a cause of the society they're in being poor, which, i admit, poor people (which is rapidly becoming everyone around me) probably *do* swear more... then again they don't have terrific reason not to)

...drive american made, used cars

...are unmarried

...don't attend church

...own guns

...are middle- or lower-class

...always repeat themselves

...smoke

...speed

...are divorced

...are going to hell

...suffer from premature ejaculation on those rare instances where viagra isn't needed

...are uneducated

...listen to rock 'n roll or rap

...don't own a suit

...masturbate frequently

...have absolutely no regard for their fellow man

...always repeat themselves

...make bad, plainly foreshadowed jokes

...own pornography

...rant endlessly

...are opinionated

...doesn't read the newspaper

...thinks jerry bruckheimer is a genius

...watches 'south park' and other filth

...is immoral and can't be trusted

...is more likely to cheat on their spouse

...has a higher likelihood of being gay

...is prejudiced

...has tattooes (my personal favourite)

...has had sex out of wedlock/one night stand

...is just plain wrong in everything

...should get some kind of cancer like smokers

...have criminal tendacies

...are usually male (though this might have some merit, as usually men are more self-confident than women by maybe a few percentage points)

...eats fast food more often

...thinks 'ong-bak' looks like it might be a cool movie

...is over-weight

...is more likely to die of gun-shot wounds

...owns some form of hound dog

...spends too much time on the computer or watching t.v.

...doesn't read

...can't read

...wouldn't read if he could

...can't because he's too blessed dumb

...more likely to shoot pool and throw darts

...owns tight or revealing clothing

...doesn't understand corporate buzzwords are bullsiht

...are more likely to block the sun with a wall of stacked beer cans than ridiculously priced curtains

...doesn't vote

...are more likely to actually be of some useful purpose around the house

...wouldn't know the first thing about water-cooler conversations because they've got real jobs that actually gets things accomplished

...are 'common'

...aren't worth listening to

...have no imagination

...are more likely to be condoscending, arrogant pricks (oops, this is for my 'people with college degrees' thread)

...know how much a 'quarter' costs

...barely speaks their own language with any fluency (purely a cultural thing most of the time)

...are more likely to be non-white

...aren't usually the competent ones at what they do for a living

...rent rather than own

...hate the fact 'the man' forces them to wear seatbeats

...don't wear watches

...still has cable

...shops ebay

and finally

people who swear have posters on their wall instead of framed prints

did i say 'in short'? i lied.
 
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