nevada said:
Miss Snark always said, and I agree with her, is never send the prologue with the partial. She was of the opinion that prologues are unnecessary. My question is, if you say that the prologue is better than the first chapter in drawing readers in, why is your first chapter not as good? A lot of readers skip prologues. (Myself included) So instead of getting great writing, I'm going to a chapter that won't draw me in. That doesnt sound right. Maybe you need to re-examine your first chapter and see how to make it more drawing-in like. (I know that's not a word.

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Like I said, my first chapter is (in my opinion, of course) good at drawing readers in too. (I tried to make them both good hooks, in case I wasn't supposed to send in the prologue with the partial; I didn't know readers often skipped prologues, though.) It's just that I prefer the way the prologue does it.
Of course, if the prologue were unnecessary, I would have cut it out in my revisions

But it's not necessary to understand the first three chapters.
For curiosity's sake, since I want to know how a reader would be likely to react to my book... As a reader, if you skipped the prologue of a book and then reached the end and got to an epilogue that looked like it was starting in the middle of a scene, would you go back to the prologue to see if the prologue had the beginning of the scene, or would you just continue reading? Or would you skip the epilogue too?
blacbird said:
Well, isn't that exactly the point? If the prologue is unnecessary (her view), of course you shouldn't include it, in any incarnation of the manuscript. But if you feel it is necessary, it is the beginning of the reader's experience of the novel, which the prospective agent is attempting to judge.
That's a good point - it
is what a potential reader would see first, so maybe it would be best to include it.
Neeli said:
I wonder if you could change the tense of the prologue to the same as the rest of the book. Using 1st person present to set off the prologue as being at a different time is using a crutch. Your writing should make it clear when and who the POV character is. If not, use a header, like they do in the movies.
Award-winning author Robert Sawyer said at a conference I attended that if you do something unusual in your work, something that goes against the grain of the standard, you can do it, but you had better have a very compelling reason to do so. So ask yourself, is it REALLY necessary? Or could you write it without those things that an agent is going to hate?
It's not done that way to set off the prologue as being at a different time; it's done to make my ending work. Also, to get very deep inside the character's head to see how the rest of the story has affected her. I might be able to go that deep in her head in third person, but the rest of the novel isn't written that way (I use a close third person POV, but not close to the level of first person). I could eliminate that closeness from the prologue and epilogue, but it would lose a lot of its power that way. That said, I'd be willing to look it over again and try it out.
Barbarique said:
If you genuinely feel that the prologue is an integral part of your novel, why on earth would you not include it? Some sort of attempt to "fool" the agent into requesting a full?
Most peculiar, Momma.
It's an integral part of the novel, but not necessary for understanding the first three chapters. It's not that I want to fool the agent into thinking I don't have a prologue written in first person present tense; it's that I don't want the agent thinking the whole novel is written that way. And since agents are known for often only having enough time to read the first few pages, an agent might not go past the prologue if he thought the novel was written in a hard-to-sell tense (even if he was intrigued by the story), and might not read an included note very carefully (because of that same lack of time).
gp101 said:
Why not make your first chapter do this instead, and call it a day?
It does

But those are more the "What will happen next?" variety; the questions the prologue (hopefully) puts in readers' minds are more the "How did this happen?" variety.