Which grammar rule do you still have to think about?

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When you write, are there any grammar rules you know you have to pay attention to, or you'll mess 'em up?

For me, it's "only." I have to consciously think through the placement of the word "only" in sentences. For example, it's "I ate only two cookies," not "I only ate two cookies." (Because the second sentence means I didn't do anything else to the cookies besides eat them. But that's not true. I also picked them up and dunked them in milk and stuff. ;) ) The word "only" should almost always be placed next to the word or words it refers to.

So, what are yours?
 

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The comma splice. I'm pretty sure I still break that one all the time. I'm a big fan of long sentences using "and" connections.

If you're using and, you're probably not indulging in the dreaded comma splice.
 

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Are you thinking of run-on sentences?


My problem isn't run-on sentences, but close, as I have a tendency with the use of commas, semi-colons, and em-dashes as well as parentheses, to just keep writing the same sentence on and on and on. When I'm done writing a 1st Draft, I have to go back and edit my loooooooooong sentences into numerous shorter ones.

Oh, well. I constantly remind myself I've given myself permission to write crap, like Uncle Jim always tells us. If I don't, I freak out big-time.

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I always have to think about semicolons; for some reason, I can't quite internalize their usage.

For me, it's "only." I have to consciously think through the placement of the word "only" in sentences. For example, it's "I ate only two cookies," not "I only ate two cookies." (Because the second sentence means I didn't do anything else to the cookies besides eat them. But that's not true. I also picked them up and dunked them in milk and stuff. ;) )
Depends on the context--by assuming in your second example that "only" modifies just the verb "ate," you overlook the possibility that it's modifying the phrase "ate two cookies."

I would use "I ate only two cookies" if I were specifying exactly what I did or didn't eat:

Despite the temptations of the dessert table, I ate only two cookies.

But if a character is justifying or defending the action, I would use "I only ate two cookies."

Sheesh. It's not like I killed somebody--I only ate two cookies.
 

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I'm perfectly aware that I screw up lay/lie often, so I have a Word document spelling it out in terms I can understand (if not remember). I last opened it on Thursday. Woo-hoo, I went 3 days without needing it! Am I cured? Oh, wait. No. I didn't write over the weekend.

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Lay/lie. I hate those words and I'll spend ten minutes rephrasing rather than looking it up. Hate it!

And parallel structure. I can do it if I don't think about it, but as soon as I try, I mess it up.
 

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Dialog tags. I was raised to "be more creative and avoid them" - which is stupid - so now I have to train myself to at least occasionally use: He said, She said now and again.
 

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I'm also in the lay/lie camp. It's just too messy when you're writing in the past tense. I go to some lengths to avoid it altogether.

Maryn, I'd love to take a look at that Word Document laying it all out! :)
 

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Lay/Lie

I also struggle with the semicolon and its usage

My biggest problem is the overuse of certain phrases like "in that moment/at the moment"

The other day I started thinking about how I seem to be in a slump in my writing. I get discouraged thinking about all the "work" involved in creating the perfect literary masterpiece. I decided yesterday "to hell with it all".

I am just going to write because I love to and work out the crimps later.

I would love to see that document too Maryn.

I have some book I need to dig out that is great for explaining basic grammar. It was from my Eng 101 class a few years back. I keep it and use it now and then for reference but I cant bloody remember what the name of it is.

After years of writing just because I loved it and never paying attention to the mistakes in it, I have developed AWFUL habits and if I try to fix them all as I write, I would probably never write again. :Shrug:

I dont really care if I ever sell a thing, but I do hope someday someone reads something I wrote and likes it.
 

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I am guilty of overusing the word 'just'. I have to go back and take them all out.
I'm in the same boat for this one. In my WIP I have used the word 'just' 31 times in 4 chapters. (Gotta love the word usage count feature!) It's going to be interesting to see how long it will take me to get rid of them all.
 

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I have to be ever watchful of using "who" when referring to people and "that" with everything else.

It happens often: "The man that did this."

"The woman that said she loves me."

"The people that vote Republican..."

All these should have "who" in place of "that," but I almost always get it wrong while writing and correct it when reading.

Judging from some of the posts I read, I'm not the only one who has that problem. :)
 

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Prepositional phrases. I hate them. Is it "I've heard about her stories" or "I've heard her stories" or "I've heard of her stories"?

Don't even mention the differences between "come over" and "come of" and "come to" and "come with" and "come in" and "come out" and ....

<shake head violently>
 

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I don't know what it is, but I have a thing for the word had. I wish I had (ha ha) a dollar for everyone I had to remove. Oh my gosh.......I'm addicted I just had to use the word in a sentence. I need rehab., or should I say rehad.
 

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Who and whom. I hate who and whom. I hate it and I never get it right.

Could of vs could've and animals of this ilk.

Trying to rephrase sentences ending on prepositions, and no matter what I write, it sounds too stiff.
 

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Lay/lie
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I don't sprinkle -that- I dump it all over the place. Sometimes I notice while writing I have -thing- a lot. Guess I need to figure out what all the things are.

I also reword to avoid lie/lay.
 

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LAY is an action, a thing you do to something else. It means ‘put’ or ‘place.’ That makes it a transitive verb--a verb that has to have a direct object. You lay your coat on the bed, lay yourself down to sleep, or lay the blame somewhere--the coat, self, and blame are the direct objects. You can’t lay on the couch. LAY is also slang for having sex--and still requires a direct object.

Simple present tense: lay(s). The boy lays his book on the bed. We lay our guests' coats on the bed. They lay asphalt in twelve-foot sections.
Present participle: laying. Shelly is laying out napkins. I’m laying bricks this summer. You’re laying bratwurst on sourdough?
Simple past tense: laid. The sheriff laid the print-out on the dashboard. I laid down the flyswatter. Jared laid plenty of girls--in his imagination.
Past participle: laid. Marie had laid her fork on the plate. Workers had laid the bodies in rows. I’d laid out fresh towels in anticipation of their visit.

LIE is a situation, a way a thing can exist. It means ‘rest on a surface’ or ‘be situated.’ That makes it an intransitive verb--a verb that can’t have a direct object. You lie on the couch, or the goal lies within reach. The past tense of lie is lay, which is undoubtedly where the confusion comes from.

Simple present: lie(s). Antoine lies in wait. I lie on the sofa. You lie there like a dead fish.
Present participle: lying. The baby is lying in her crib. We’re lying on the sand. I’m lying here exhausted.
Simple past: lay. The seeds lay dormant all winter. We lay in bed that night. No, you lay in the hammock, remember?
Past participle: lain. The key had lain there unseen. He’d lain shivering through the night. Cows have always lain in meadows.

LIE is to state an untruth, to deceive. It is an intransitive verb--no direct object--but may have an indirect object, the person who is being lied to, or the person or thing being lied for.

Simple present: lie(s). Sam lies to his kids about the Tooth Fairy. I lie to mine, too. You lie to yours?
Present participle: lying. You’re lying about where you were. I’m lying, too, pretending to believe you. He’s lying for the sake of the kids.
Simple past: lied. He lied to her every day. I lied about my age. Sgt. Gundersen lied her way into the compound.
Part participle: lied. She had lied whenever anybody asked if her hair color was real. I’d lied on my application. You'd lied for the sake of honor.

Mnemonics:
Lay, lay, put away
Lie, lie, face the sky

Dead things lay, live things lie.

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Mnemonics:
Lay, lay, put away
Lie, lie, face the sky

Dead things lay, live things lie.

Maryn, whose request line is open, so keep those calls coming!

You remember The Exorcist? Yeah, my head is spinning like that. As soon as I look up the meaning of transitive verb, I'll get back to ya.
 

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Copy to your computer and absorb more slowly, or your head might burst!

Transitive verb: a verb that has to have a direct object. It's incomplete without one. Here, I'll underline the direct object and color the transitive verb, because that's what you do at 4:00 a.m.
Sara slapped her little brother. The DJ played our request. Mom takes the car most mornings. The governor ignored the question. My professor laid the chalk on his desk.
Those sentences wouldn't make sense if you omitted the underlined direct objects, because they use transitive verbs.

Intransitive verb: a verb that either can't have a direct object, or doesn't in this use.
Godfrey snores on his back. We live with our grandmother. Ryan paints poorly. The kids played inside. The body lay in the woods.

Some verbs can be transitive (with a direct object) or intransitive, depending on their use.
The kids played inside. The kids played Scrabble.
Ryan paints poorly. Ryan paints seascapes.
We lay awake last night. We lay our heads on our desks.


Clearer?

Maryn, who at least had fun with colors and underlining
 

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I'm a "that" user. I have to cut it ruthlessly from my work.

Lie/lay is a tough one for me too.
 

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Some verbs can be transitive (with a direct object) or intransitive, depending on their use.
The kids played inside. The kids played Scrabble.
Ryan paints poorly. Ryan paints seascapes.
We lay awake last night. We lay our heads on our desks.

For that last example you're using two entirely different verbs. They just happen to be spelled the same. (And bring us full circle back to lie/lay.)

We lay awake last night. Past tense of to lie.
We lie on the bed now.
We lay on the bed yesterday.
We have lain on the bed many times.

We lay our heads on our desks. Present tense of to lay.
We lay the book on the table now.
We laid the book on the table yesterday.
We have laid the book on the table many times.

To lie never takes a direct object (intransitive).
To lay always takes a direct object (transitive).
 
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