Should I call it YA or Middle Grade?

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Hi, everyone. :) After reading through this thread, I have a question. ::points to title:: I'm working on a science fiction series where the main character starts as a thirteen-year-old, but he'll be about eighteen when the series ends. I figured it was YA at first, but now, I'm not so sure because of my MC's age and my overall writing style. (According to MS Word, my first book is written at a 5-6 grade level.) However, there are certain themes I *really* want to keep and don't know if I could in a middle grade book. Here's a brief rundown on the parts that might cause contention:

There's a little bit of bad language. Not much and certainly no F-bombs, but a little. There's a fair amount of innuendo, including my thirteen-year-old protagonist's fascination with his favorite female teacher's breasts (hey he's a thirteen-year-old boy! *g* Last I heard, they notice these things), and although it won't be explicit, the topic of sex will present itself in later books. The violence level is a notch above Harry Potter. And... it may be revealed later on that some of my characters are gay or bisexual. Oh, yeah, and the first book is about 80,000 words. (Of course, thanks to J.K. Rowling, that may not be as much of a problem as it used to be. ;))

I also know there are exceptions to the YA age rules. The main characters of His Dark Materials are only twelve. I've also seen Ender's Game repackaged as YA because so many teens love the story, and Ender is only six for a good part of the book. But I'm thinking of what my best market would be, balanced against how much of the story I would have to sacrifice if I went with MG.

So... yeah. Do you think it's best to just present my book(s) as YA and let the agents/publishers sort it out, or would it be a good idea to consider the MG possibility instead?

Thanks in advance,

~JM. :)
 

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thirteen is a little young for YA, but not too bad. I think you could pitch it as YA, but I would query agents who also rep MG. The right agent would spot the best way to position your book.
 

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I agree with soccer mom. It does sound more like young adult to me. When i was thirteen, I read young adult novels, and adult novels, and I am sure many young readers have done the same.

Good luck with the novel!

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This could be a YA, definitely. How long is your MC thirteen? How quickly does he age?

And I'm dying to know how you find the grade levels on MS word. Also, if your novel really is at a 5-6 grade level, you're probably need to sophisticate it up if you're aiming for a YA.
 

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This could be a YA, definitely. How long is your MC thirteen? How quickly does he age?
He's thirteen in the first book, fourteen in the second.... Probably one book per year for the first 4-5, but the last few will vary.

And I'm dying to know how you find the grade levels on MS word. Also, if your novel really is at a 5-6 grade level, you're probably need to sophisticate it up if you're aiming for a YA.
In Word 2002, at least, you go to TOOLS > OPTIONS > SPELLING AND GRAMMAR. Then, you check off "Show readability statistics" and click the spell-check icon in the toolbar. (I think there's something else you have to do before the Readability Statistics option becomes available, but I can't remember what it is. You can probably find the answer just by searching for Readability Statistics in Help.)

The way it's actually determined is through some sort of formula that goes by average sentence length and the average number of syllables per word. I don't like writing long and complicated sentences or using unnecessary million-dollar words, so my readability score came up between grades 5 and 6. I'm in pretty good company, though. Stephen King's work scores the same way.

The input I'm getting is very helpful. :) Thanks to everyone so far.

~JM.
 

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For some reason I'm unable to read and didn't see that you mentioned a series. Thanks for clearing that up for my tiny brian.

I'm definitely going to play around with these readability scores, and I'm certainly not in a position to judge yours as I don't know anything about them myself. I think my eighth grade english teacher mentioned them at one point...
 

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That is awesome. My book coming out next year has only 2% passive sentences, a readablitly ease of 82.2% and a grade level of 3.9. Okay so round up to 4. So that puts is at about age 9, right where it should be.
 

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Don't put too much faith in Word's little tools. They are really not good judges of reading level. Also, keep in mind that the average newspaper is written at a 3-5th grade level. And think of who the target audience is!

I think your book sounds like YA, content-wise. Don't worry about what Word says about it. If you get rejections that say "this is MG," listen to those, if not, don't worry too much.

Also, you could try posting over on SYW and see which people choose then. That might be more accurate.
 

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I couldn't get the Microsoft Word version to work, but I tried it in an online calculator and got 68%, grade level 6. Not too bad for a YA.
 

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Is there any way to make your protag a bit older? From everything I've seen, readers are generally about 2 years younger than the MC, so your target audience would be 11-year-olds.
 

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Is there any way to make your protag a bit older? From everything I've seen, readers are generally about 2 years younger than the MC, so your target audience would be 11-year-olds.
As far as the first book goes, I can't age my main character up without ruining the story and/or making him seem really immature for his age. He can't be older than thirteen in that one -- and a slightly naive thirteen at that.

Age limits don't always apply, though. If they did, the target audience for Ender's Game would be preschoolers. :tongue I guess I'm just not clear on what the subject limits for MG are or how many potential teen readers would just ditch the story as soon as they realized how young the main character is. Or would they read on anyway since, right on the first page, he's being interrogated for killing his stepfather?

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Harry Potter is younger than thirteen in the first book. The first Potter books are treated as MG and the later as YA. That said, I don't think it's that big a deal, but I wouldn't pitch anything with a protag younger than 13 as YA since that is the floor.
 

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I understand the Harry Potter point, but it's hard for me to relate these two situations as I was eight when I read the first Harry Potter book, and I've consistently been at least four years younger than Harry in each book. But although I think age of protagonist is the ideal way to differentiate between adult and YA, it doesn't work so well between mg and YA. It's not the age that makes the difference so much as the complexity and maturity of the the themes.

Peace Like a River by Leif Enger is a fantastic example. The protagonist is eleven (told in first person, but it's that whole looking-back-on-myself-from-an-older-age deal I usually hate, but it's handled extraordinarily well here) but the book is definitely YA, or it maybe is even one of tose rare adult books written about a kid. But the writing, though not unnecessarily complicated, is complex, and the plot of the novel is brutal. Clearly not an MG, although the age alone would ordinarily classify it as such.
 

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Well, I'm fairly new to the genre, in the revise stages of my first YA book - originally my lead character was 24 - but I've since changed the age to 19. He's surrounded by a group of kids, ages 13-3, so I guess I've got everyone covered, and of this group, the dominant male and female are twins, both age 13. The hardest part was not writing down, as far as their speech and personalities.

Funny thing: I was revising another book I've written with a 5-year-old female character and while doing this one day I happened to be watching Meet Me In St. Louis, of all things - you know, the movie with Judy Garland. She has a little sister in this movie who's 5 and I realized watching her that I was writing my characters' personalities way too young.

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