Examples of Story Arcs?

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Does anyone know of some examples of story arcs? Not just how to do one, but actual examples - especially visual ones. The only one I can find is of Gorky Park, a book that I haven't read and don't really want to (because of the violence). I'd like to find some other books that have been analyzed so I can get a better idea of how to do one myself. ;)
 

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Every story has a story arc. Just pick up any book in the store, be it Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings.

I am not sure what you are asking.
 

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Hey sunandshadow, thanks for the link. I'll check out that book to see what kinds of examples it has.

FYI: a "story arc" is sometimes referred to as "dramatic structure" as described here (which also shows a visual example):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dramatic_structure

I think of many books today as having more of an elongated pyramid, or maybe with the "falling action" as being shorter. At least, that's what I'm aiming for... :)
 

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Babylon 5 and the X-Files both had "story arcs," that is to say a grand overall story that's "arcing" throughout the whole series, even while shorter stories begin and end throughout the course of it.

Everything's got 'em. They aren't referred to as story arcs unless they're in serial form of some sort (be it TV, radio, comics, serial novel, whatever). Otherwise, it's just the storyline.

As for visual representations....imagine a big bump. There you go.
 

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I'm following Pete tonight. B5 may have had the best, 5 year arc ever.

Amen. I've watched that show dozens and dozens of times, and each time I get something new out of it. It's there with Lord of the Rings and Gaiman's Sandman, story-wise.

That's what a story-arc is. Trying to do one in a book is silly, because that's not how it works. A story arc is a great and unfolding thing over a massive period of time. If you plan to do seven books, twelve books, or a hundred-plus episodes of a TV series, you worry about story arcs.
 

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I'd watch season five of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Mini-character arcs abound, but the overall story arc is great.

Joss Wheadon is my God.

Or Joss Whedon, even. ;)

(sorry..)

Sure, and that counts just fine as a story arc. But the problem would be watching one single episode and saying "this is a story arc." It's not. It's just a storyline. And if that sounds like an anal retentive difference...well, it is. But it's a useful one to note too.
 

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I wasn't having a go at you. You had it right. I was using Buffy season 5, from your example, to expound upon what I'd said earlier. That's all.
 

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They aren't referred to as story arcs unless they're in serial form of some sort (be it TV, radio, comics, serial novel, whatever). Otherwise, it's just the storyline.

So are you saying that a storyline can't have an arc? That would make it pretty boring! ;)
 

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Serial stories often have a 'long story arc' and then arcs for the individual episodes. To go back to when I still had tv, the Pretender series had the long story arc of Jared seeking the story of his past, but each episode would have some specific conflict resolved as he investigated a mystery and dealt out rough justice.
The Fugitive would be an older example yet.

You can find plot descriptions for many stories, but I think what you're looking for is a resource that labels where the climax comes and what part is the denoument, etc. in several novels?
It might be helpful to look out for student texts of classic books, or Coles Notes (wait, they're called something else in the US, aren't they - Cliffs Notes?) type of guides, which may diagram the storyline helpfully.
-Barbara
 

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So are you saying that a storyline can't have an arc? That would make it pretty boring! ;)

Look it up on Wikipedia. Story arcs are "bridges" or "boats" that tie a series of stories together.

Storylines still have dramtic structure.

There's a different, I'll let people smarter than I am explain it.
 

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So are you saying that a storyline can't have an arc? That would make it pretty boring! ;)

You're putting too much time into the classifications of things. That said, from my understanding:

An MC has a character arc in a given novel. That arc is how he changes. That given novel has a storyline (or plotline, if you like). That particular storyline, to that particular novel, doesn't change. It is the "story". It is what it is. It is "the male spy trying to save the world", from beginning of novel to the end, or it is "the young woman fighting off desires for an older man", from beginning of novel to the end. Each of these two novels may have little detours, sidetracks, but they come back to what they truly are, the storyline doesn't change. So it won't start as the male spy saving the world, and end as the woman fighting desires of the older man. Yes, these two storylines can obviously be combined, but the point is, the novel can't be exclusively about the first storyline for the first half or three-quarters, and then exclusively about the second storyline for the remainder of the novel.

Maybe it's splicing hairs, mincing words, damn semantics, but I feel it's the MC that has the arc in a given novel, not the storyline. To say that the storyline has an arc, I think you really mean the MC has the arc. To me, the story has an arc when it's from book to book, or episode to episode for TV and film; in this instance, that's where the storyline changes and has its own arc, over the course of several (or more) related works, the way an MC has an arc in one novel.

If you're talking about how the story has its peaks and valleys, how it "changes", then I think you're talking about the story structure (beginning, middle, end, rising and falling action, etc). Are you doing any great harm referring to a single novel's "story arc"? No. But it might confuse someone you're asking for help if you mix up the terms.

And, if I've mixed up the terms, I'm sure someone will be along shortly to slap... I mean, to kindly show me where I have gone wrong with my terminology.

UJ..? Where are you? What's your final answer? And don't paddle me too hard. That ruler in your hands looks like it'll leave a mark.
 

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You're putting too much time into the classifications of things. That said, from my understanding:

An MC has a character arc in a given novel. That arc is how he changes. That given novel has a storyline (or plotline, if you like). That particular storyline, to that particular novel, doesn't change. It is the "story". It is what it is. It is "the male spy trying to save the world", from beginning of novel to the end, or it is "the young woman fighting off desires for an older man", from beginning of novel to the end. Each of these two novels may have little detours, sidetracks, but they come back to what they truly are, the storyline doesn't change. So it won't start as the male spy saving the world, and end as the woman fighting desires of the older man. Yes, these two storylines can obviously be combined, but the point is, the novel can't be exclusively about the first storyline for the first half or three-quarters, and then exclusively about the second storyline for the remainder of the novel.

Maybe it's splicing hairs, mincing words, damn semantics, but I feel it's the MC that has the arc in a given novel, not the storyline. To say that the storyline has an arc, I think you really mean the MC has the arc. To me, the story has an arc when it's from book to book, or episode to episode for TV and film; in this instance, that's where the storyline changes and has its own arc, over the course of several (or more) related works, the way an MC has an arc in one novel.

If you're talking about how the story has its peaks and valleys, how it "changes", then I think you're talking about the story structure (beginning, middle, end, rising and falling action, etc). Are you doing any great harm referring to a single novel's "story arc"? No. But it might confuse someone you're asking for help if you mix up the terms.

And, if I've mixed up the terms, I'm sure someone will be along shortly to slap... I mean, to kindly show me where I have gone wrong with my terminology.

UJ..? Where are you? What's your final answer? And don't paddle me too hard. That ruler in your hands looks like it'll leave a mark.

I couldn't have said this better myself. That's exactly why I asked the question: "What's a story arc?"
 

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There's a story behind this ark, but it ends by melting your face off:

raiders_of_the_lost_ark_1.jpg
 

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Look it up on Wikipedia. Story arcs are "bridges" or "boats" that tie a series of stories together.

Storylines still have dramtic structure.

There's a different, I'll let people smarter than I am explain it.

Just to remind you, wikipedia is not an expert source. I visited it's main page listing it as "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." I'm not saying you're not right but I think your arguments should go beyond telling someone to look things up on a source like this.
 

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Wikipedia is good enough for kissing, but you'd be crazy to use it for an actual reference material. It's spotty at best, but it's useful for the general. It's best to think of it less as an encyclopedia and more as a well-informed bunch of opinions.

Anyway, we can all avoid wikipedia and just assume that my definitions for "story arcs" were well-informed, had experience behind them, and I'm so smart. That'd be fine too.
 

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Just to remind you, wikipedia is not an expert source. I visited it's main page listing it as "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." I'm not saying you're not right but I think your arguments should go beyond telling someone to look things up on a source like this.

I was just saying Wiki could be a starting point. Obviously it's the most subjective encylopedia in the world.

And my argument (which really wasn't an argument) did have an explanation of story arc, albeit not a great one hence the reference to wikipedia.
 
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Every "complete" story should have at least one arc, sometimes more, and they can be long (such as the Harry Potter series or Star Wars trilogies) or shorter (each Indiana Jones is a complete story). We shouldn't confuse plot with story.
 

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Every "complete" story should have at least one arc, sometimes more, and they can be long (such as the Harry Potter series or Star Wars trilogies) or shorter (each Indiana Jones is a complete story). We shouldn't confuse plot with story.

Wait, are we confusing plot with story or arc with story or arc with plot? Or are we just all playing with semantics and all really saying the same things but differently?

Dang, I really should have taken a second writing class...
 

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No, we're not. That's called a "story" which we sometimes sell as "a novel," and is the case with Indiana Jones.

A "story arc," would be that throughout all the Harry Potter movies, the situation with Voldemort changes and shifts and becomes something different.

The "story" of Harry Potter is "the tri-wizard tournament," or "prisoner escapes from Azkaban," or whatever.

The STORY ARC is the overall story that is being built throughout all the books.
 
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