Any atheist writers out there?

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Anyone here write about atheism (or secularism, or freethought, or rationalism, etc.)?

I've begun a book and several essays concerning atheism, and I'm wondering if anyone else has published anything similar and/or has any information on the best markets for this sort of work.

For instance, are certain secular magazines easier to get into than others? Which publishing houses (besides Prometheus) welcome submissions with an irreligious slant?

Thanks in advance. :)
 

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erika said:
But for what it's worth, I don't think atheism has much play anymore. Agnosticism is a much smarter avenue. I say that because, since God's existence cannot be conclusively disproven, most non-Christians would classify themselves as agnostic. In my mind, that makes sense, to remain undecided. You can argue the illogic of the atheistic and faithful point of view pretty persuasively as an agnostic. But, this is just my take on it.

"Has much play anymore"? Actually, there are a ton atheists out there (and a good number of atheist publications as well). Thanks for the response, but I'm not here to defend my viewpoint -- just trying to get some information.
 
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Scarlett,

Thanks. I understand what you're saying -- I've read essays and message boards just like the ones you refer to. Sometimes I'll come across something very insightful, but I agree that much of that stuff isn't too impressive.

What I'm writing will (hopefully) be a little more useful. It isn't meant to convert (or de-convert) anyone; it isn't meant to start debate or delve into the philosophical. It's more along the lines of 'how to survive in a world dominated by religious people' -- that sort of thing. So I'm writing it with a pretty specific, non-religious audience in mind.
 

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That seems a deeply unsympathetic approach from a person who writes about religion. Surely you can appreciate that it goes both ways? I don't read about theism all that much, but I don't diss it or attempt to marginalise it either. I write about spirituality as a secular humanist and am stunned to find this inquiry was met with such blatant intolerance and apparent direspect for both atheist writers and writing about atheist spiritualities. If you don't read or write in this area, why reply to this enquiry?
 
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erika said:
I'm with Scarlett 156 on this. It gets pretty old hearing someone argue for the non-existence of something. Seems sad and bitter to me. I'd much rather hear someone slaughter all sacred cows than just pick and choose from the other guy's pasture.
Like I mentioned, I'm not arguing for/against anything in my writing, so I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

And, "sad and bitter"? Are you trying to start some sort of argument here? If so, I don't appreciate it. I'm not here to defend my stance; I'd simply like to find other people who write for non-religious audiences and talk about the markets.
 

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I haven written a little about realtions between atheism and the occult, secular humanism and its relation to animal welfare. Probably not much help as it is not an area I have been actively seeking publication yet but feel free to PM me. I was thinking of writing some material for one of the skeptics magazines.
 

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In no way did I intend for my remarks to be taken personally. This is an observation I have after reading a lot of atheist essays and debating the subject extensively with various friends and acquaintances. There IS something definitely to be said about intolerance for the views of others and how religion affects politics and society, and in that regard atheist writing can be quite helpful for the world in general. In my OWN PERSONAL OPINION, however, I do not need to be convinced of anything as far as beliefs go, and my observation on reading a lot of atheist writing is that it doesn't do much to convince an intelligent reader to change his or her beliefs.

If an atheist writer could somehow figure out an angle that would sway the minds of the undecided and put the fear of God (whoops!) into religious bigots, then that would be HUGE. Ayn Rand is one writer I can think of who did somewhat further the cause of atheism-- and yet she seldom spoke out directly against religion or for atheism. Her stance was simply that the rational objectivist rejects that which cannot be proven, and she let it go at that. Food for thought.
 

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You seem to assume atheists care about converting people. Very few do--and most of them are pretty irritating. But in the absence of hell, heaven and damnation (from my point of view) people can believe whatever works for them.

My writing is relating to how non-theist spiritualities work and how they apply to real life settings--also some real life stuff like how to live in Christian and Muslim-normed communities in a way that is honest but unobtrusive. So atheist point if view, not atheiust agenda (whatever that would be).

Wiser people than me believe in God/s -- far be it from me to say they shouldn't.
 
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Nancy, I'm interested, as per:
nancy02664 said:
...For instance, are certain secular magazines easier to get into than others? Which publishing houses (besides Prometheus) welcome submissions with an irreligious slant?

I wonder if you could suggest any agents interested in irreligious slants? Irreligious, according my dictionary means indifferent or hostile towards religion and that is the Humanist approach, but by irreligious I like to mean humorous-- tongue-in-cheek; though not quite (Monty) Pythonesque. I hope this doesn't look like a shopping list! Particularly since you ask, which publishing houses (besides Prometheus)... but I thought I'd ask you anyway since your mind seems to move in the area of markets.

Although my angle on irreligious doesn't just find humour in religion. I like to bundle up the lot as a joke. I suppose that means I'm an anarchist, but then I like good manners...
 

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veinglory said:
I haven written a little about realtions between atheism and the occult, secular humanism and its relation to animal welfare. Probably not much help as it is not an area I have been actively seeking publication yet but feel free to PM me. I was thinking of writing some material for one of the skeptics magazines.

Sounds like we're at the same stage. :) I'm currently doing some market research, and if I come across any publications that seem a good fit for what you've written, I'll let you know.
 

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SLake said:
I wonder if you could suggest any agents interested in irreligious slants? Irreligious, according my dictionary means indifferent or hostile towards religion and that is the Humanist approach, but by irreligious I like to mean humorous-- tongue-in-cheek; though not quite (Monty) Pythonesque.

Perhaps the tongue-in-cheek stuff might be a good fit to an agent who simply represents humor?

Before I signed with my agent, I combed through lists of agents and their areas of interest. Unfortunately, I didn't find any that specifically mentioned atheism, skepticism, humanism, or anything similar.

But I'd guess that some agents interested in 'religion' may in fact be open to both religious and irreligious books, as I've often seen irreligious books shelved in the religion section (strange as that is).
 

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You seem to assume atheists care about converting people.
That I feel is a reasonable assumption to make-- if the amount of verbal vitriol that's leveled at people who believe in God (or whatever) on atheist/religious discussion forums is any indication, a great many atheists DO seem patently interested in swaying others to their views. My very best friend in the whole world hurt my feelings badly one time when he ridiculed me for saying that he couldn't prove there was no God-- he said that if I could stand up in any way for "belief in ghosts" then I must be nothing less than a moron.

If someone says that to someone who's making a reasonable argument, then it certainly seems that that person DOES desire for the other person to believe the same way he or she does-- or face ridicule. Otherwise they would just let it alone, right?

If one does not desire to change the viewpoints of others by making a good case for one's own views, why write about one's views at all? On discussion forums I almost NEVER talk about my personal opinions or beliefs (and if I do I label them as such) because I very seldom care if anyone agrees with them or not. The only people I argue with are my homies-- because our differences of opinion cut a great deal closer to the bone, and formulating consensus or agreement is a more important matter with one's friends or family (though of course it is not always achievable).

As a side note: The above incident occurred many years ago. Recently, after I told this same friend about a dream I'd had in which I had spoken with his recently deceased grandmother, I asked my friend if he was still adamant about there being no Creator or afterlife. His response: "I'm not sure anymore."
 

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Scarlett_156 said:
if the amount of verbal vitriol that's leveled at people who believe in God (or whatever) on atheist/religious discussion forums is any indication, a great many atheists DO seem patently interested in swaying others to their views.

There are definitely atheists out there who are adamant about de-converting people, but I think they make up a rather small (albeit vocal) percentage of the total non-believing population, and their opinions don't necessarily represent the opinions of the larger group.

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If one does not desire to change the viewpoints of others by making a good case for one's own views, why write about one's views at all?

To express an opinion? To share an experience? To start a friendly debate? To educate others? To reach out to those who might agree, but be afraid to speak up? There are a ton of reasons. People who have opinions do not need to defend those opinions if they don't want to -- they can simply write about them. What's wrong with that?
 
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Scarlett_156 said:
You seem to assume atheists care about converting people.

That I feel is a reasonable assumption to make-- "

I disagree. You stereotype a large group by those that cross your path and make a spectical of themselves. It's like saying all elephants live in circuses when you've never been to Africa.

Can you not see that the very fact that I have no interest whatsoever in coverting you makes the statement false as a blanket statement, right there?

Why write about atheist perspective? Why write about Christian perspectives?

e.g. To explore their nature and rationality. To appreciate the diversity of approached within atheism. To share with others who believe similarly. For a start, did you notice the magazine we are discussing are aimed at atheist populations? Athiesm is not anti-theism.
 
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I believe atheists are very rational people and most do not try to convert anyone.

Nancy, the website "The Panda's Thumb" has essays and at the bottom of the "annotated skeptics bible" link http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/ there is a list of blogs and essays done by various people. I wonder if you searched them by name if you would find various markets where they sold their work?
 

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Just found this thread. FWIW I'm querying agents for a novel (mainstream/literary crossover) about an atheistic, rationalist young woman who falls in love with a progressive preacher. Though they have their share of challenges to overcome -- their challenges are the story -- neither one of them tries to change or convert the other.
 

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Pellegrina Leoni said:
Just found this thread. FWIW I'm querying agents for a novel (mainstream/literary crossover) about an atheistic, rationalist young woman who falls in love with a progressive preacher. Though they have their share of challenges to overcome -- their challenges are the story -- neither one of them tries to change or convert the other.

Sounds unique to me. I can't get my mind around your story except to presume their love must be greater than incidentals like religion and atheism? Maybe they're just too busy elsewhere and so cling to each other, blocking out the world's incidentals? Maybe a combination of being too busy and love? Maybe preacher to him is just a job, and she, rationalist, in looking to learn from her experience (as rationalists primarily do) engages with him in a relationship, so that a sound appraisal of him will serve her later should she confront arguments about religion? Maybe the same but reverse applies to his relationship with her?

I should stop here. :)
 

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Getting back to the topic...

My market research has been going well so far. I've compiled a list of about 50 atheist magazines/newsletters, a number of podcasts/videocasts, and I'm discovering there are literally several hundred decent atheist/humanist websites out there (and many more not-so-decent ones). Not to mention about a bazillion blogs...

As far as publishers go, I've found many (like Amacom, Duckworth (UK) & Routledge) that have (or will be) publishing books with a secular theme, and I'm pretty happy about that. Most are small presses & university presses.

I'll update if/when I learn something new...
 
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Can you send me a PM or email with the magazines/newsletters you've found?
 

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Pellegrina Leoni said:
Just found this thread. FWIW I'm querying agents for a novel (mainstream/literary crossover) about an atheistic, rationalist young woman who falls in love with a progressive preacher. Though they have their share of challenges to overcome -- their challenges are the story -- neither one of them tries to change or convert the other.

Not sure this will be of interest to you, but Atheist Alliance has a pretty big index of books, some of which are fiction. I'm seeing Cypress House Press, Crossroad Publishing Company, Thomas Jefferson Press, Prometheus, and some others... might be publishers to keep in mind...
 

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pepperlandgirl said:
Can you send me a PM or email with the magazines/newsletters you've found?

Love to--but everything's a bit disorganized at the moment.

Actually...maybe in a week or two I'll just post what I've found directly in this thread? So anyone interested can have a place to start. (I can PM it to you as well, if you'd like.)
 

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I'll be happy to throw in the names of the ones I've been looking at, but it's a shorter list mainly of magazine I read from time to time.
 

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nancy02664 said:
Not sure this will be of interest to you, but Atheist Alliance has a pretty big index of books, some of which are fiction. I'm seeing Cypress House Press, Crossroad Publishing Company, Thomas Jefferson Press, Prometheus, and some others... might be publishers to keep in mind...

Thanks, Nancy! Looks like a great resource. :)