• Guest please check The Index before starting a thread.

[Display site] The Frontlist

CaoPaux

Mostly Harmless
Super Moderator
Moderator
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Feb 12, 2005
Messages
14,021
Reaction score
1,883
Location
Coastal Desert
Here's what I've found so far:
Yesterday, 07:30 AM
Tilly
Board fanatic

The Frontlist

-------------------------------------------------------

http://www.thefrontlist.com/

At first I thought this was a YADS (yet another display site) along the lines of another I've seen that wants to use writers critting writers as a filter.

But this one has a named editor at Pan Macmillan who will look at the most favourably critiqued work. I was wondering what people thought?
__________________
2006 Rejection Pledge 10/20 1 short story acceptance
Yesterday, 09:50 AM
Jesstears2u
Esteemed New Member

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tilly
http://www.thefrontlist.com/

At first I thought this was a YADS (yet another display site) along the lines of another I've seen that wants to use writers critting writers as a filter.

But this one has a named editor at Pan Macmillan who will look at the most favourably critiqued work. I was wondering what people thought?
I just signed up with this site. Did you sign up as well?
__________________
Nikki Carlyle
Yesterday, 10:06 AM
Tilly
Board fanatic

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesstears2u
I just signed up with this site. Did you sign up as well?
Nope, but they seem to have contacted my real life writers group. Please let us know how it goes
__________________
2006 Rejection Pledge 10/20 1 short story acceptance
Yesterday, 10:18 AM
PVish
Cat hair collector

After a cursory look at a couple of the Front List pages, arrived at this conclusion: writers who don't know whether or not their work is any good submit it (and pay 10 pounds if they want to see the critiques!) to this UK site, who give the work to 5 other writers who also don't know if their work is any good (and who are submitting theirs, etc.).

So what you've got is an online writing group—mostly of unqualified individuals—critiquing each other's work so agents will be able to find undiscovered talent. (Yeah, right!)

Wouldn't it be cheaper, easier, and more worthwhile to form a local critique group? Or use some of the AW critique groups?
__________________
My humble blog
Yesterday, 10:20 AM
Tilly
Board fanatic

Quote:
Originally Posted by PVish

So what you've got is an online writing group—mostly of unqualified individuals—critiquing each other's work so agents will be able to find undiscovered talent. (Yeah, right!)
Yep. Which is why I was baffled that an editor would be involved.
__________________
2006 Rejection Pledge 10/20 1 short story acceptance
Yesterday, 11:10 AM
Jesstears2u
Esteemed New Member

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tilly
Nope, but they seem to have contacted my real life writers group. Please let us know how it goes
I can't quite figure out the site. I think they let you post you chapters from your book, but the links at the bottom of the page (Terms, About) don't work. Unless its my computer. I'm at work and you know how computers are at work when they are trying to block a million things from you.
__________________
Nikki Carlyle
Yesterday, 11:13 AM
Tilly
Board fanatic


Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesstears2u
I can't quite figure out the site. I think they let you post you chapters from your book, but the links at the bottom of the page (Terms, About) don't work. Unless its my computer. I'm at work and you know how computers are at work when they are trying to block a million things from you.
I just tried them, and they're working now. Could have been a site blip, or as you said, your work blocking thingamy.

Computers are mysterious things.
__________________
2006 Rejection Pledge 10/20 1 short story acceptance
Yesterday, 11:13 AM
Jesstears2u
Esteemed New Member

Tilly: I know you have a link to the web site, but I thought about posting what's on their front page as well. The reason being is at work I can't get a lot of the site people list and there miss out on information (because I don't think about looking at it at home).

The Frontlist is a consortium of developers and writers from literary communities. We've formed to provide a new fair way to provide talented unpublished writers to have work annotated and critiqued by peers. The most well-received work will rise to the top, to be considered by a publisher.

The Frontlist is a community of talented writers that self-select work that they feel may be of interest to a publisher. Writers, upon signing up to The Frontlist, will be able to submit sample chapters of work that they are looking to publish. They will then be invited to provide detailed critiques on several pieces of work. Once they have finished this, their own work will go up for critique. Each month, the most well received work will be fast-tracked to the desk of a respected agent or publisher who specialises in the work's genre.

The Frontlist is your new route to serious consideration by a respected publisher. If you write well, and have a finished, polished piece of work that you feel is worthy of publication, then submit it here. If it is good, it will get noticed. For free.
__________________
Nikki Carlyle
Yesterday, 12:19 PM
Sassenach
Inexplicability Assessment

They don't explain how they intend to:

Each month, the most well received work will be fast-tracked to the desk of a respected agent or publisher who specialises in the work's genre.

Plus, they use the egegious phrase: fictional novels
__________________
Yesterday, 12:20 PM
Tilly
Board fanatic

Oh sweet Yesu.
__________________
2006 Rejection Pledge 10/20 1 short story acceptance

Yesterday, 12:50 PM
Jesstears2u
Esteemed New Member

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sassenach
They don't explain how they intend to:

Each month, the most well received work will be fast-tracked to the desk of a respected agent or publisher who specialises in the work's genre.

Plus, they use the egegious phrase: fictional novels

<LOL! smilie>

__________________
Nikki Carlyle
Yesterday, 01:22 PM
Popeyesays
Board fanatic

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sassenach
They don't explain how they intend to:

Each month, the most well received work will be fast-tracked to the desk of a respected agent or publisher who specialises in the work's genre.

Plus, they use the egegious phrase: fictional novels
It might be because they are not interested innarrative non-fiction, which often seems to have a novel-type flow. They also might be hesitant to post anything any observer might find libelous because the characters are THINLY veiled.

Regards,
Scott
__________________
 

UrsusMinor

Super Member
Registered
Joined
Dec 23, 2005
Messages
439
Reaction score
51
Location
Butt in chair
Just because I'm evil...

I sent this link to Miss Snark back on June 30, and she posted her Snarky thoughts on the topic on the same date.

Guess what? She doesn't like it.
 

Puma

Retired and loving it!
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Apr 21, 2006
Messages
7,340
Reaction score
1,540
Location
Central Ohio
Not sure what you meant by that remark, James. It appears they charge ten pounds to view critiques done on your own submitted work. But you don't have to look at them. Puma
 

SJAB

Being edited for submission
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Sep 17, 2006
Messages
157
Reaction score
17
Location
UK
Website
www.susanjboulton.com
They have a link to, and mention A.M Heath, which is a well established UK agent.
 

James D. Macdonald

Your Genial Uncle
Absolute Sage
VPX
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Feb 11, 2005
Messages
25,582
Reaction score
3,787
Location
New Hampshire
Website
madhousemanor.wordpress.com
Has A. M. Heath ever bought a book through their service? How is going through their service different from submitting a book directly to A. M. Heath?

About display sites in general (YADS is Yet Another Display Site -- there have been dozens, if not hundreds, of similar sites over the past fifteen years) if they don't charge money they're a bad idea. If they do charge money they're a scam.

Every single one I'm aware of has failed over the course of one to two years, maximum. (It appears to depend on how much money the founders had in their bank accounts when they started).

Those that are still in business, like Rosedog, were bought out by vanity presses as a source of new authors willing to pay to be published.

If you want your manuscript to be noticed by publishers or agents, send it to publishers or agents. Display sites are proven non-starters.
 

SJAB

Being edited for submission
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Sep 17, 2006
Messages
157
Reaction score
17
Location
UK
Website
www.susanjboulton.com
Whoa! Didn't mean to offend.

I was just remarking that they had the link and that a lot of details about A. M. Heath were on the site, which is unusual, so I was wondering if they had permission from the firm. I wasn't advocating anyone using the service. I assume most here are big girls and boys and able to make their own decisions in the matter.
 
Last edited:

CaoPaux

Mostly Harmless
Super Moderator
Moderator
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Feb 12, 2005
Messages
14,021
Reaction score
1,883
Location
Coastal Desert
Looks like The Frontlist didn't survive founder The Friday Project's 2008 dissolution (and eventual purchase by HarperCollins).