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I'm writing a novel right now (fantasy) and have looked in many places to answer this question, but what is a good length for a standard chapter?

I realize that there can be many answers, and nothing is set in stone, I just want something general. What is too long do you think, that would bore the reader?
 

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However long it needs to be.

I've seen 1 word chapters. I've seen 69 page chapters.

There is no "standard" length.

As for boring the reader--that's in what the words say, not how many of them there are.
 

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However long it needs to be.

I've seen 1 word chapters. I've seen 69 page chapters.

There is no "standard" length.

As for boring the reader--that's in what the words say, not how many of them there are.

Hmm fair enough.
Some readers are a bit, i don't know how to put it, I guess intimidated or annoyed by longer chapters I guess.

I noticed a lot of Ch. 1's in the SYW section are 1.x k words and looking at mine it's just over 3k so it just got me thinking lol. I suppose I will get some feedback on whether people think it should be broken up anyway.
 

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There's some more information on the FAQ here -- http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=657722&postcount=10

I think it might somewhat depend on what kind of Fantasy you're writing. A slow, ponderous novel with a lot of worldbuilding and politics? Longer chapters probably won't turn anyone off. A fast-paced Fantasy thriller? Probably want to keep them shorter.

I'd suggest this: Pick out some books that are similar to what you're going for in tone, genre, whatever. Go to that AR site that lists the word count for pretty much everything ever. Look up the number of chapters in the book (might need your hard copy for this). Use those two numbers to get an "average" chapter length.

Edit: I should clarify that while longer chapters may not turn off potential readers/buyers, they may turn off beta-readers in SYW. Posts are often kept short there to entice more people to provide feedback, even if that means not posting the entire chapter, etc.

Edit2: 400th post!
 

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Hmm fair enough.
Some readers are a bit, i don't know how to put it, I guess intimidated or annoyed by longer chapters I guess.

I noticed a lot of Ch. 1's in the SYW section are 1.x k words and looking at mine it's just over 3k so it just got me thinking lol. I suppose I will get some feedback on whether people think it should be broken up anyway.

I think readers are more intimidated by long blocks of text without white space. White space can come in with shorter scenes, not necessarily shorter chapters.

And if 3K is wrong, then I'm in serious trouble since my average chapter is about 4.5K. Never had any challenges about it, honestly. *shrug*
 

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I write epic fantasy, and I've had chapters range from 750-7,500 words. It all depends on what is appropriate. My 2 cents? Don't waste time worrying about chapter lengths unless they're all one word long. Chapters are cut or stretched during editing, so they're generally fluid.
 

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I think readers are more intimidated by long blocks of text without white space. White space can come in with shorter scenes, not necessarily shorter chapters.

And if 3K is wrong, then I'm in serious trouble since my average chapter is about 4.5K. Never had any challenges about it, honestly. *shrug*

Well I've got almost 12k down so far, 3 chapters. So really the average is 4k, with the first chapter actually being a little bit shorter.

I don't want to turn off potential readers, but I don't think it does as much justice to not post the whole thing.

Thanks for your suggestions WriterTrek I will look into that.
 

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4,000 words seems like a pretty reasonable average. If you post to SYW, you can just put up the first bit of it and stop when there's a reasonable break.

There's no reason chapters have to all be the same length, either. The shortest chapter in my novel is a little over 1200 words, and the longest is 5500. The median is probably somewhere around 3,000-3,500. I haven't had anyone comment on my chapter breaks at all. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
 

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There are no pre-determined lengths for chapters at all.

Do chapter breaks wherever you feel they're dictated by the natural flow of your story and if an editor wants to change where the chapter breaks occur - :Shrug:.

Cash his cheque and find something worth worrying about.:Hug2:
 

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Just let the chapters go and end the when they wants to end. There's plenty of successful writers with books filled with 300word chapters and books that are the first chapter.

Chapter length won't bore or scare a reader away; the content of those chapter e.i. the story might bore or scare a reader away.
 

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Thanks lol.

I went ahead and posted the entire thing up already, though there are two breaks in the chapter so I suppose people can stop at one of those if they'd like.

Glad to know I'm not doing anything wrong :D
 

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Just one little piece of advice I wish I'd gotten years ago:

Don't worry about this kind of stuff on the first draft. Anything that's going to awaken your Inner Editor and slow you down is the ENEMY. Get the novel down, to the last page. Then rest. Then, slowly and calmly, perhaps bolstered by such books as Self-Editing for Fiction Writers and The Fiction Editor, the Novel and the Novelist, proceed to the finicky stages.
 

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Just one little piece of advice I wish I'd gotten years ago:

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Well thanks for saving me years! I'm on my first, and was so worried about chapter length, wordcount and all the rest that I stopped writing. Kept going back to edit
 

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Normal length for me is about 15-20 pages. Although, it doesn't really matter. I've seen a lot more & a lot less as well.
 

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Just one little piece of advice I wish I'd gotten years ago:

Don't worry about this kind of stuff on the first draft. Anything that's going to awaken your Inner Editor and slow you down is the ENEMY. Get the novel down, to the last page. Then rest. Then, slowly and calmly, perhaps bolstered by such books as Self-Editing for Fiction Writers and The Fiction Editor, the Novel and the Novelist, proceed to the finicky stages.

That's pretty much how I approached my novella. I didn't even bother with chapters, just kept writing. I'm in the editing stage now, so maybe I'll check out those books. I've never read either.
 

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As a reader I find that if a book is good I don't actually notice the chapter breaks - I just keep reading. That doesn't mean I don't worry about where I should be putting chapter breaks.
 

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If your reader likes the story I don't think they will stop to count them or care; if they don't then they will stop but again not to count them.

I have never been turned off by long chapters in a good book but I'm sure there are people out there who would. You can't please everyone.

The novel I'm working on, which I should be revising instead of on here, averages about 3.5k per chapter (110k total but my editor wants me to boil down some parts so lets say 90k all up)

When I started it I was very worried about chapter length but I decided if I've shown all that's needed to move the story along then off we go ! Trying to hit or not to hit an arbitrary number did nothing but hinder me.
 
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I only get annoyed by chapter length when I'm short on time (I like to pause and stop reading at the end of a chapter). There are many chapters in Wheel of Time that just didn't end. Now I just stop at the end of the paragraph at the top of the new page.
It's fine.
Personally I'm a fan of longer chapters, something substantial and, to me, 3k is really nothing (for fantasy anyway, other genres such as romance, then sure 3k is fine).
 

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This may be weird, anal, or stupid, but for my first book, I tried to keep all my chapters between five and six pages (Word document-size). I just wanted them to all be consistent.
 

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SCENES, not chapters

Chapter length doesn’t matter to most readers, I’d guess. If your writing is compelling all a chapter end means is “turn the page!”

They are more useful to writers as a bookkeeping device. Such as in one of my recent books I put several scenes in the first chapter because they all involved a teen boy meeting and becoming friends with a girl who moved in next door. The second chapter contained scenes where they went exploring and had an adventure, during which he learned that she’s a princess in disguise.

Scenes are the basic parts of a story, not chapters. Each has a definite beginning in time and space. They capture some important event or related series of events. They can be quite short, several fitting into a chapter. Or very long, and need to be housed in several chapters.

When I have very long scenes, I fit them into several chapters by ending each chapter on an important change in the scene. This is (for instance) when a new character enters the scene, or a secondary character leaves the scene. Or the path of adventurers makes a turn, as when leaving behind a plain and beginning to climb a mountain.

Don’t worry about chapter length. Think about scene length and content.
 

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My general feeling is that it's easier to fix things that are wrong than to make them right the first time. So my plan is to put a chapter break every ten pages, then shorten the chapters that feel too long and lengthen the chapters that feel too short.
 

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Chapters are as long as they need to be, though I generally prefer that they not get too long. It's very easy to read one more chapter when you know it's not a long chapter.
 

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As a reader I find that if a book is good I don't actually notice the chapter breaks - I just keep reading.
This. Chapter breaks are freakin' invisible when the story is great. More than once, I've promised my poor husband that I'd turn out the light and go to sleep at the end of this chapter, only to realize (the next time he whines from under his pillow) that I blew right past it without even realizing.

To the OP: my chapters average between 4000 and 5000 words. Yours sound about right to me. (I write fantasy.)
 

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I'm writing a novel right now (fantasy) and have looked in many places to answer this question, but what is a good length for a standard chapter?

I realize that there can be many answers, and nothing is set in stone, I just want something general. What is too long do you think, that would bore the reader?


You can use a million short chapters like Michael Crichton, or you can write like Terry Pratchett and use none at all. You can do anything in between.

A chapter is as long as it needs to be - so some chapters will be longer than others, and that's fine. Don't stress over it.
 
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