The lessons of writing fanfiction

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If this is the wrong section then I would ask a moderator to please move it to the right one. Before coming to this site and self-publishing my first book, I spent seven years writing and posting fanfiction stories on fanfiction.net. Since many people have a bad impression of the fanfiction community, and of fanfiction in general, I thought I would share some of the valuable lessons it taught me.

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Writing is a skill like any other, you only improve through practice. As of right now I have seventy seven stories posted, totaling over two point eight million words. Rereading my older stories I can see how I have improved over time. I have learned to battle my mortal enemy, the comma. I have developed characterization and learned how to pace myself and use foreshadowing. I have fought the tendency to use, ‘said’ with every single line of dialogue. I have tried to resist my urges to overpower my characters and resist my tendency to Gary Stu my main protagonist. Still working on that one.

Writing so many stories has given me the chance to see what works and what doesn’t. It has taught me some basic lessons about storytelling and let me slowly improve. I know there is still lots of room for improvement, but just writing as much as I have has let me develop my own individual voice and style.

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It turns out I really can write. For a very long time I thought I could write. I filled up notebooks with various stories. I poured all my creative energy and passion into those stories and I can remember always thinking they were great.

As anyone who has ever watched American Idol knows though, people are capable of a hell of a lot of self-delusion. I didn’t show my stories to my friends of family for fear of having someone tell me they were all crap and boring. That was more than my fragile ego could stand. So my notebooks stayed hidden and I cherished my secret hope that I could actually write, while dreading the possibility that I was just fooling myself.

I originally discovered Fanfiction.net when I fell in love with Naruto. I’d read all the manga and watched all the anime and still wanted more. As I searched online for more Naruto stories I was eventually directed there and discovered thousands of new stories.

Most of them were dreadful, many being no more than a couple chapters and completely uninspired. A handful though were worth reading. It soon occurred to me that this was a forum where I could let people read my stories while remaining safely anonymous. Seeing just how low the bar was set I figured I might as well try.

Since then I have gotten millions of hits to my stories and thousands of reviews. And while I have gotten more than my share of hate and flames, I have had people tell me they loved my stories and were waiting for an update. My words have made people laugh, cry, and get angry. Complete strangers have felt due to the words I’ve written. Even now that amazes me.

For someone who was always filled with self-doubt it is hard to explain what it meant when I posted a chapter to one of my stories and had fifty to a hundred reviews within a few hours. The first time one of my stories got a thousand reviews, two thousand reviews, a hundred thousand hits, five hundred thousand hits, a million I would feel just a little more confident and think, ‘yeah, maybe I really do have a little talent for this.’

More than anything else, that self-confidence was the most valuable part of writing fanfiction.

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Constructive criticism and other points of view can actually be good things. When I first began posting my stories online they were exceedingly personal to me. Any review that even hinted there was anything wrong with them seemed like a personal attack. Eventually I figured out that just because someone didn’t like my story didn’t mean that they were the devil incarnate or my personal enemy

As an author you have complete understanding of the story and the characters. When they say or do something you know the exact meaning of it as well as the motivation behind it. By contrast, the readers only know what you have actually written, and what seems obvious to you may not be so to them. Reading negative reviews that actually explain what the person didn’t like can be a great tool in fixing problems you didn’t even realize were there.

Also, the reader may have a completely different perspective on something that you, as the author, haven’t even considered. You are not required to follow anyone’s suggestions or agree with them, but if you keep an open mind you might actually find a new and better path to take.

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Not everyone loves you, deal with it. I draw a very sharp and clear distinction between constructive criticism, negative reviews, and flames.

Someone who dislikes the story for specific reasons and takes the time to tell you those reasons is providing you constructive criticism.

Someone who just states they disliked your update is giving you a negative review. I don’t pretend to enjoy them, I don’t think anyone does, but everyone is allowed to have their opinion.

Then there are the idiots and trolls out there who feel the need to actually insult the writer and make things personal. These people are trolls or flamers or just plain idiots. My stories are personal to me and every single time I posted a chapter on line it represented my time and effort. Having someone call me an idiot or tell me I should die because they don’t like what I wrote. So you didn’t like my story? Then by all means feel free to insult me. Tell me I am a moron or that I should never write again or that I should not have been born.

On line there is a huge sense of freedom that comes from anonymity. Until I self-published my novel I was always LOTLOF to all but a very select handful. I would not have had the courage to write my stories and put them on display without the use of my pen name.

Unfortunately this same freedom allows people to be rude and insulting in ways they would never dare in person. I admit, I had a lot of trouble dealing with these. When someone insults YOU, not your story but you as a person, it is very hard to ignore that. The impulse is always to defend yourself and fire back.

The only response is to ignore them. I won’t reply to them or even mention them. I won’t even delete their messages. I have never deleted a single review. Having people hate you doesn’t mean what you’ve written was wrong or even of poor quality. All it means is that someone didn’t like it and is too ignorant to actually respond with any sort of civility.

From my terminology you can probably tell that I really do despise these people. I may not respond to them anymore, but that doesn’t mean I still don’t loathe them. I am a very open minded person and try to treat everyone with respect, even those whose beliefs are contrary to my own. In return I ask others to show me this same respect and tolerance. If you are going to insult someone you have never even met then you deserve only my contempt.

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Write for yourself and not for others. I love getting positive reviews and being told I am a genius and that people love what I’ve written. Let’s be honest, who wouldn’t enjoy that? However I have always said that I write for myself and that if others like it that is a bonus.

When I sit down at my keyboard and start tapping something out I never ask myself, ‘will people like this’? I ask myself, ‘what will make the story better’? I write stories that I enjoy. I never wonder about what the reaction will be and I certainly would never let that change the plot.

On fanfiction.net I am infamous for my cliffhangers, plot twists, and character deaths. I take a perverse pride in knowing that my readers never know how it will end or if their favorite character will make it through. People have given me tons of grief for deliberately ending a chapter on a cliff hanger. They will often be surprised when I send the plot careening in a completely unexpected direction. And many of them can’t believe the body count among the main characters. (No one is safe. I have written Naruto stories where I killed Naruto. Some times in chapter one.)

I have noticed that while most fans claim they want originality, in fanfiction at least, they often seem scared of it. No one minds minor alterations, but if you go merrily off the edge of the map some people are almost offended.

Yet for me that was always the fun of writing fanfiction. Taking familiar characters and settings and then having brand new adventures with them! I loved the fact that when people read my stories they honestly didn’t know what was coming next. I love originality and just letting my imagination run wild. I gave the characters freedom of choice and let them do as they pleased. I also made them pay the consequences for it.

Too many writers feel bound to meet the expectations of the readers. The hero should never lose, the main couple should get together, and everyone we like has to live and be happy at the end.

Bleh!

Good people die in real life so they can also die in my stories. The good guys do lose some times and people don’t always end up together. Going against expectations makes things more interesting. Reading a good story should be like going on an adventure. Not everything will go the way you expect, and there may be bad moments. The end may even be tragic.

But was it an interesting ride?

The way I write is by trying to bring the characters to life within my mind and letting them behave as if they were real people in a real world. I then try to make their actions as realistic as possible. I believe strongly that actions have consequences, and that ultimately you will reap whatever you sow. People can make mistakes and bad choices, when they do they should not be shielded from the results.

The kind of story I hate most is a ‘Deus Ex Machina’. Where no matter how badly the characters have screwed up they will get a happy ending even if it takes divine intervention. If the characters deserve to fail I let them fail. Not only does it make the story more interesting, it make their successes all the more enjoyable.

I write the stories that I enjoy and hope others will too.
 
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I pretty much agree with all of this. I had been away from writing for years when I discovered fanfiction, and it took some time before I had the courage to actually try writing myself. I was fortunate enough to find some folks who were as interested (if not more so) in the writing as the fanfic. Fanfic gave me the freedom to make mistakes, to experiment, and to learn about the craft of writing. It also allowed me to learn how to research for a story, how to make characters (even my OCs) become more real, how to actually tell a story - everything one needs to know to write original work I learned and honed through fanfic.
 

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Love your list -- and I love fanfiction. It is, as you say, a great way to learn many parts of the craft of writing, and it's a great way to connect with readers who love the characters as much as you do.
 

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I learned a lot as a 17-year-old writing Harry Potter fanfiction. Wouldn't trade the time I spent doing that for anything. I probably wrote 3/4 of a million words. All terrible, of course, but aren't we all?

Fanfiction can serve as training wheels for someone who wants to write original fiction someday. It can serve as a creative outlet. Can bring the immediate gratification that makes struggling to get the words out. There are many writers who love fanfiction and are happy writing in other peoples' worlds exclusively. I respect them just like I respect any author.

That said, if you do want to write original stories someday I think there's things to beware of. The easy gratification. I got hooked on that. It's awesome to get dozens or hundreds of reviews. Heck, I had people who drew fanart based on my fanfiction. That was a thrill. I miss that a little bit even now. If you get too used to praise, then rejection can really sting.

And in fanfiction, you have a wide shared knowledge base. If I reference a character from the original work, all my readers knew who I meant, what her backstory was, how he might face a challenge. With original fiction you have to provide all that information, there's no "givens".

Most negative things I've seen written about fanfic on this site comes down more on the "fan" side than the "fic" side.
 

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I can't say I like it when fanficcers swoop in on pro-writing spaces to enlighten us all about the wonders of fanfics. It's almost as bad as pro writers showing up in fandom spaces to say that Fanfiction is Wrong and Evil.
 

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I can't say I like it when fanficcers swoop in on pro-writing spaces to enlighten us all about the wonders of fanfics. It's almost as bad as pro writers showing up in fandom spaces to say that Fanfiction is Wrong and Evil.

Well I apologize.

I will delete my thread, as obviously I have nothing to contribute.

So please enlighten me, what is your definition of a, 'pro writer'? And about what percentage of the people on this board meet it?
 

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I learned a lot as a 17-year-old writing Harry Potter fanfiction. Wouldn't trade the time I spent doing that for anything. I probably wrote 3/4 of a million words. All terrible, of course, but aren't we all?

Fanfiction can serve as training wheels for someone who wants to write original fiction someday. It can serve as a creative outlet. Can bring the immediate gratification that makes struggling to get the words out. There are many writers who love fanfiction and are happy writing in other peoples' worlds exclusively. I respect them just like I respect any author.

That said, if you do want to write original stories someday I think there's things to beware of. The easy gratification. I got hooked on that. It's awesome to get dozens or hundreds of reviews. Heck, I had people who drew fanart based on my fanfiction. That was a thrill. I miss that a little bit even now. If you get too used to praise, then rejection can really sting.

And in fanfiction, you have a wide shared knowledge base. If I reference a character from the original work, all my readers knew who I meant, what her backstory was, how he might face a challenge. With original fiction you have to provide all that information, there's no "givens".

Most negative things I've seen written about fanfic on this site comes down more on the "fan" side than the "fic" side.

It took me two years to write and edit my first original novel. I have self published on Amazon and it is doing well, about eight hundred sales in five weeks. I would agree with you that the biggest difference between original writing and fanfiction is the world building and development of characters. Getting readers to care about your characters and telling them about your world without info dumps can be a real challenge.

I compare it to riding a bike with training wheels. It does help you with the basics and gets you used to the seat. But at some point the training wheels have to come off and you need to learn how to keep yourself steady.

As for not being able to handle rejection no worries there. I am a fat guy that the girls like as, 'a friend.' Need I say more?
 
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I'm just going to start pasting this in every time I see the word fanfiction on a new thread title:

Let's speed this up, shall we?

Fanfiction rocks!
No! Fanfiction stinks!
Fanfic is fun!
No! Fanfic is illegal!
I write it!
I won't ever!
I love it!
I hate it!
I'm flattered!
I'm offended!
You're stupid.
No, you're stupid.
So's your mother.
No, so's your mother.
Mac gets a headache.
Medi gets a bottle and some shots to start the AW fanfic drinking game.

*lock thread*
 

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I can't say I like it when fanficcers swoop in on pro-writing spaces to enlighten us all about the wonders of fanfics. It's almost as bad as pro writers showing up in fandom spaces to say that Fanfiction is Wrong and Evil.

Not sure what 'pro-writing spaces' you're referring to. AW has published authors, authors working toward that, and writers who do it strictly as a hobby. And I see no difference in stating how fanfic helped with one's writing and stating how doing prompts and exercises helped. If you don't like fanfic, don't write it, don't read it.
 

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Well I apologize.

I will delete my thread, as obviously I have nothing to contribute.

So please enlighten me, what is your definition of a, 'pro writer'? And about what percentage of the people on this board meet it?

Easy there, LOTLOF.

Constructive criticism and other points of view can actually be good things.

This board is filled with all kinds of writers from all different backgrounds. Not everyone is going to like everything or appreciate everything. Many writers here cut their writing teeth on fanfic. Many of those writers still appreciate their 'roots', others have moved on. There are other writers who view fanfic in a very negative light and while your op brings up very good points (points that many of us who have and still do write fanfic won't disagree with), it isn't going to sway those who view it negatively. We will still hold to RYFW in that regard though.

But consider that Mac doesn't allow fanfic to be posted for critique and, to me, that does sort of tip the scales on the intent of this board towards writers who are writing with publication aspirations and crafting stories of original origin (because not all want to seek publication), which fanfic doesn't not avail itself to easily. So with that in mind, much of our discussions will revolve around writing original fiction and publication and not discussion the 'finer points' of writing fanfiction.

There are certainly areas that will overlap. What holds true in one aspect holds true across to the other.

So let's talk about the craft of writing.
 

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When one of my cousins was a kid (he's 25 now), his mother wrote fan faction stories for him based on the Chronicles of Narnia. To this day, my cousin talks about that book where he got to be part of the whole adventure.

I've never written fan fiction, but I don't read it either. In fact, at this time, I don't have any feelings about it one way or the other. :)
 

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Most definitely agree with just about everything you said. I started writing fanfiction on quizilla before it went through all the horrible changes and I couldn't stand it anymore. Moved to freedom of speech for a while, though I stopped writing fanfiction about two years ago, I still pop by some sites occasionally for a read.

I learned so much from writing fanfiction, I can't imagine not having done it.
 

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Not sure what 'pro-writing spaces' you're referring to. AW has published authors, authors working toward that, and writers who do it strictly as a hobby. And I see no difference in stating how fanfic helped with one's writing and stating how doing prompts and exercises helped. If you don't like fanfic, don't write it, don't read it.

Oi, I'm a fanficcer. I just felt the OP was talking as if s/he thinks all of us here are ignorant about fanfic and must be educated. A simple search would have turned up several threads about it and shown that many people here are or were involved in fandom. We already know all about it.
 

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Writing is a skill like any other, you only improve through practice.
Constructive criticism and other points of view can actually be good things.
Not everyone loves you, deal with it.
Write for yourself and not for others.
Of course, these points pretty much apply to non-fanfic writing too!

I started out writing Trek fanfic, I'm all for it, it's good way to learn. Only problem is, stating the obvious, the characters aren't yours, so it's really all practice. If you air it in public and the copyright owners want to kick up a stink, you have to take it down. Some sites don't want to host fanfic simply to avoid that potential unpleasantness.

-Derek
 

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I learned how to punctuate dialogue and other stuff I really should have already known through the help of a fanfiction beta-reader. Without fanfiction I might never have become a writer so I have no trouble seeing it as something that helped me.
 

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A simple search would have turned up several threads about it and shown that many people here are or were involved in fandom. We already know all about it.

I find myself wondering what topic, apart from current events/newly-published books, does not already have a kajillion threads about it. There's very little that hasn't been discussed to death at AW.

But new people come in, with new perspectives and without the background of having had those discussions. And that's what matters. Dear as all the threads of this site are, they're not the point of this place; people are.

If new people want the growth and learning that participating in these conversations brings (as opposed to the abstract information that may be conveyed in them), then the existence of old threads isn't necessarily of interest.

Just an aside.
 
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I'm just going to start pasting this in every time I see the word fanfiction on a new thread title:

LOL. That's about the way those discussions go. Personally fanfiction gave me the discipline to sit down every day and start writing. It also raised my confidence level. I think it's a good tool for novice writers. I wouldn't be working on my novel today if I hadn't started in fanfiction.
 

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Oi, I'm a fanficcer. I just felt the OP was talking as if s/he thinks all of us here are ignorant about fanfic and must be educated. A simple search would have turned up several threads about it and shown that many people here are or were involved in fandom. We already know all about it.

What evilrooster said. If discussions were tied to "already out there", there would probably be a couple dozen threads on the whole site.
 

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What evilrooster said. If discussions were tied to "already out there", there would probably be a couple dozen threads on the whole site.

LOL, too true.

But please tell me that if I start a shoggoths-as-sympathetic-protagonists-in-Regency-romance, there won't be a bunch of other SASPIRR threads extant?

Any writing you do should help you improve over time, fan fiction, original fiction. The big difference I see is that fan fiction has a ready-made audience, which makes getting attention and positive feedback easier. This can be positive -- who doesn't like positive feedback? It can also be negative, as KateJJ noted. Her remarks are worth repeating:

That said, if you do want to write original stories someday I think there's things to beware of. The easy gratification. I got hooked on that. It's awesome to get dozens or hundreds of reviews. Heck, I had people who drew fanart based on my fanfiction. That was a thrill. I miss that a little bit even now. If you get too used to praise, then rejection can really sting.

The rejection, and the relative initial indifference.
 

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That said, if you do want to write original stories someday I think there's things to beware of. The easy gratification. I got hooked on that. It's awesome to get dozens or hundreds of reviews. Heck, I had people who drew fanart based on my fanfiction. That was a thrill. I miss that a little bit even now. If you get too used to praise, then rejection can really sting.

QFT. And this is something that, even though we often discuss fanfic on AW, often goes under-discussed.

I have seen so many people used to the pace of fic writing jump into bad publishing contracts or self-publish with no business plan or much thought, simply because waiting was frustrating. On average, my friends who wrote fanfiction gave up after twenty queries.

It is really hard to get used to having to wait for success. And it's especially hard, when you're used to being able to write whatever and post it and get at least *some* readership, to accept that you may have written something that no one (or very few people) wants to pay you for.
 
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I think the 'instant gratification' and getting high on good reviews is something that typically hits new writers the most. At first, it was great - but then I started realizing that some readers would applaud any new story, regardless of quality. When you've been in it for a while, and especially if you're more interested in the writing part versus the fandom part, you learn to recognize that, and keep your head the proper size. The patience part - I think that can be a problem for writers no matter where they started. ;)
 
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