Reports that Jane Goodall plagiarized passages in her new book

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Seriously depressing:

Jane Goodall’s Troubling, Error-Filled New Book, ‘Seeds of Hope’

No one wants to criticize Jane Goodall—Dame Goodall—the soft-spoken, white-haired doyenne of primatology. [...] When it was revealed last week in The Washington Post that Goodall’s latest book, Seeds of Hope, a fluffy treatise on plant life, contained passages that were “borrowed” from other authors, the reaction was surprisingly muted. The writer who discovered the plagiarism—an unnamed academic reviewing the book for the Post—alerted the newspaper and backed out of the assignment. When the Post and the New York Times reported his findings, both avoided saying that Goodall had plagiarized—which, even by the strictest definition of the word, she did—instead writing that she “borrowed” passages, fully intending, apparently, to return them upon publication.

The entire controversy has been clouded in euphemism.
The article also covers what it reports as shoddy science in the book.
 

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I remember watching the film with Sigourney Weaver and she was buried next to her favourite gorilla at the end.....

Or am I thinking of someone else?
 

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I remember watching the film with Sigourney Weaver and she was buried next to her favourite gorilla at the end.....

Or am I thinking of someone else?

That's Dian Fossey. She, Goodall, and the lesser-known Birutė Galdikas are the so-called "Leakey's Angels," primatologists who studied under Louis Leakey and worked with great apes in their natural habitats. Fossey took gorillas, Goodall is famous for studying chimps, and Galdikas got orangutangs.

As for the matter at hand...plagiarism always seems to be soft-pedaled in the media these days. It's even more difficult because it's a well-regarded figure that people like. Much as I'd like to believe that Goodall's errors are unintentional and perhaps age-related, I'd like to see an apology. Good lesson for the kids in ENGL 101 and all that.
 

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As for the matter at hand...plagiarism always seems to be soft-pedaled in the media these days.

I was wondering if that was just me . . . I do feel like people are being more and more cavalier about it, but I wasn't sure if that's just anecdotal. Plagiarism is one of my hot-button issues, so it makes me furious when people brush it off as not a big deal.

It's even more difficult because it's a well-regarded figure that people like. Much as I'd like to believe that Goodall's errors are unintentional and perhaps age-related, I'd like to see an apology.
Agreed. That would go a long way, I think.
 

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Dian Fossey was a gorilla?!
An honorary one, yes. And killed by a poacher, as are most wild gorillas today!
I do feel like people are being more and more cavalier about it, but I wasn't sure if that's just anecdotal. Plagiarism is one of my hot-button issues, so it makes me furious when people brush it off as not a big deal.
I feel the same way. But plagiarism has never been easier and is rampant especially in the very news media that reports it (albeit sometimes unintentionally or naively). I figure that pointing it out makes people afraid that their own dirty plagiaristic laundry will be aired.

Not to mention that it helps if the media in question likes the person involved. Who today remembers Joe Biden's plagiarism from 1988 and before?
 

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An honorary one, yes. And killed by a poacher, as are most wild gorillas today!

Actually, most people seem to feel it was not a poacher. One of the members of her team was, if memory serves, convicted in absentia, but I don't think people necessarily think he really did it, either. It's more likely that it was a hit ordered by a govt official.



Not to mention that it helps if the media in question likes the person involved. Who today remembers Joe Biden's plagiarism from 1988 and before?


I do. :)

And yeah...much as I found and still find the Cassie Edwards plagiarism appalling, I find it slightly depressing that her story became so huge when some plagiarists are basically protected from censure; the stories are buried and everyone just shrugs. (I absolutely think the reaction to Edwards was the correct one and applaud those who uncovered and reported it and made it an issue, it just depresses me that no one else gets the same level of attention. Because she's a woman, or because she wrote romance, or...?)
 

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Actually, most people seem to feel it was not a poacher.
Yes, but that doesn't make as witty a politically incorrect joke now does it?

But you're right. Plagiarism is one of those things that you get a free pass on if you're famous, along with substance abuse, infidelity, and a host of other things that would land a normal person in the stocks.
 

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It may be a sentimental streak on my part, but I just don't think this was Goodall's doing.

Don't get me wrong, her name is on top on the cover, it's her business to make sure it was all correct regardless - I'm not suggesting it wasn't her responsibility and she's accepted it. However, she's Jane fucking Goodall. She's been a scientist for more than 50 years. I just don't believe she's gone so daft as to be not just plagiarizing but lifting passages from Wiki and crap. I just can't make that leap.

Her coauthor hasn't, to my knowledge, commented, and was, apparently, meant to be the one with the knowledge outside Goodall's purview, which is the area that's under challenge.
 

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It may be a sentimental streak on my part, but I just don't think this was Goodall's doing.

Don't get me wrong, her name is on top on the cover, it's her business to make sure it was all correct regardless - I'm not suggesting it wasn't her responsibility and she's accepted it. However, she's Jane fucking Goodall. She's been a scientist for more than 50 years. I just don't believe she's gone so daft as to be not just plagiarizing but lifting passages from Wiki and crap. I just can't make that leap.

Her coauthor hasn't, to my knowledge, commented, and was, apparently, meant to be the one with the knowledge outside Goodall's purview, which is the area that's under challenge.

I like this explanation. Making a mistake by not checking thoroughly enough is totally understandable to me. Plagiarizing is . . . not.
 

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It may be a sentimental streak on my part, but I just don't think this was Goodall's doing.

Don't get me wrong, her name is on top on the cover, it's her business to make sure it was all correct regardless - I'm not suggesting it wasn't her responsibility and she's accepted it. However, she's Jane fucking Goodall. She's been a scientist for more than 50 years. I just don't believe she's gone so daft as to be not just plagiarizing but lifting passages from Wiki and crap. I just can't make that leap.

Her coauthor hasn't, to my knowledge, commented, and was, apparently, meant to be the one with the knowledge outside Goodall's purview, which is the area that's under challenge.
I like this theory. This theory allows me to continue to think highly of someone who has done a lifetime's worth of amazing work.

I hope the evidence, when it is collected and fully analyzed, validates the theory.
 

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Much as I'd like to believe that Goodall's errors are unintentional and perhaps age-related, I'd like to see an apology.

From here and other places...

"During extensive research I spoke to as many experts as possible," writes Goodall in a statement released by the Jane Goodall Institute. "I also visited numerous websites dedicated to celebrating, protecting and preserving the plants of the world. This was a long and well researched book, and I am distressed to discover that some of the excellent and valuable sources were not properly cited, and I want to express my sincere apologies."
:(

Hoping cornflake's right...
 

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In grad school I got stuck with a team partner who turned in a completely plagiarized document for his part of the work. My other partners and I caught it, thankfully, and went to the professor with our concerns, then re-did his work and turned the assignment in on time.

If we'd turned in the assignment with his plagiarism intact, we would all have suffered the consequences. Putting our names on the cover meant taking ownership of the contents.

I'm very sorry for Ms. Goodall if she was unaware or taken advantage of, but still, her name is on the cover.
 

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I have no idea who this woman is, but she did say that not citing her sources was unintentional and that the errors will be fixed. To me, that sounds like it could poor writing and editing and not plagiarism. And, as someone else above said, it could be age related.

On the other hand, people say she's a goddess in the science world. If it was plagiarism, it sounds like people would have a hard time believing it because of who she is.
 

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I suppose one might quibble over whether Wikipedia is an excellent and valuable source, and whether it was merely an omission of citation or if that's a fig leaf.

But at least there was an owning up of sorts, and Dame Goodall is well on her way to becoming Deputy Prime Minister.
 

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I suppose one might quibble over whether Wikipedia is an excellent and valuable source,

Yeah, I thought that was a bit...uh. Yeah.
 

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I have no idea who this woman is, but she did say that not citing her sources was unintentional and that the errors will be fixed. To me, that sounds like it could poor writing and editing and not plagiarism. And, as someone else above said, it could be age related.

On the other hand, people say she's a goddess in the science world. If it was plagiarism, it sounds like people would have a hard time believing it because of who she is.

She's absolutely a god in the world of science, but I think the bolded sentence is a chicken/egg thing.

I do have a hard time believing Jane Goodall would plagiarize anything. I have an even harder time believing she'd plagiarize from Wiki.

I don't particularly think that's because I so admire Goodall and have since childhood, though I can see the argument (and admitted as much in my first post in the thread). I more think it's the other way round - part of why I and others have such admiration for her is because of her devotion to science and spreading the value of field research and etc.

She's been doing this and publishing for literally half a century. To think all of a sudden, and coincidentally involving a topic she's not as familiar with and brought in a coauthor to assist with, she's suddenly tipped into lifting other people's work doesn't seem to go with the scientist she's always been.
 

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I do have a hard time believing Jane Goodall would plagiarize anything. I have an even harder time believing she'd plagiarize from Wiki.

Wiki is not the best source of information. I don't know why anyone would plagiarize from there.

She's been doing this and publishing for literally half a century. To think all of a sudden, and coincidentally involving a topic she's not as familiar with and brought in a coauthor to assist with, she's suddenly tipped into lifting other people's work doesn't seem to go with the scientist she's always been.

I would agree.
 

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Her standing is kind of unassailable. Even though this is clearly plagiarism I doubt it will cause her any problems.
 
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