No agent responses - not even a manuscript review

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tricon7

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I'm getting really depressed about the possiblity of getting my novel published, since not only am I not getting any offers of representation from agents, they aren't even asking for my manuscript to read. Why re-write or downsize anything when they haven't even seen it to want me to change it? At most I've submitted a chapter or two in my initial agent submissions. No one has asked for anything else. I've either been turned down cold or gotten no response at all.

I have a feeling that my case is going to be one of those where I later talk about how I submitted to 250 agents before one finally "took a chance" on me. Actual publication isn't even on my radar at this point.
 

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How many agents have you submitted it to?
How long has it been?
Has your manuscript been looked at by a beta reader (some one not a close friend or relative) that can give you constructive feedback?
 

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Tricon,

I've got a feeling that you are low on patience. :D

How many agents have you submitted to? And, how long have you been submitting your query letters?

Hang in there and keep submitting, and start working on something else (if you haven't already). :)
 

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Hugs, Tricon. All the questions above are good ones.

Additionally, I believe that the agent market is very, very tight right now, and if you aren't in a hot genre, it's tougher than usual. I'm not querying at the moment, but I know writers with top-notch query letters and pages who are getting similar results. When I last queried about a year ago, response rates seemed lower than before, but now they have nearly dropped off a cliff in some genres. Or so I've observed.
 

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Yes, hugs - and yes, start the next one. I know it sounds heartless, but it's the only thing that will work. :Hug2:

ETA: Oh - and what rainsmom said below...
 
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Get your 50 posts, and then run your query through Query Letter Hell in Share Your Work. Also post your first chapter for critique. You may find out you're submitting too soon.
 

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Tricon,

I've got a feeling that you are low on patience. :D

How many agents have you submitted to? And, how long have you been submitting your query letters?

Hang in there and keep submitting, and start working on something else (if you haven't already). :)

I've submitted probably 40 times, I suppose. I've been submitting since around 2005. I have been working on something else. My feeling has been, however, that if no one thinks much of my first work, why should they look at another work? And the first novel is the one that I thought had the most promise. But - I'll keep submitting. I have no other choice.
 

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So... you're not getting better with each novel? Are you not working on your craft? Are you participating in critique groups? Critiquing other peoples' work? Taking classes? Attendign conferences? Reading books?

I assure you, agents aren't going to remember that they rejected the first novel when the next one comes along (unless you made an absolutely horrific impressions).

You do have other things you can do. You can get better.

Very few people have their first novel published. Many people write 2, 4, 6 "trunk" novels before they write one worthy of publication. Why do you think you hit your pinnacle with your first novel?
 

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Because if you learn something from every manuscript you write, subsequent manuscripts will be better. And every writer NEEDS to learn as they write. On top of that, 40 agents in 7 years is really nothing. I queried over 100 agents before I found mine--in six months and for the third year running. My instinct tells me, though, that you really need to have someone else take a look at your MS critically (beta reader or writing group) and be prepared to work on that MS again--and hard.
 

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. My feeling has been, however, that if no one thinks much of my first work, why should they look at another work? And the first novel is the one that I thought had the most promise. But - I'll keep submitting. I have no other choice.

That is the most lopsided thinking possible. Sometimes first novels do sell, but to believe your first novel is going to be as good as all those published novels out there is, well, sort of arrogant.

Do you think da Vinci's first painting was worth a damn?

Most writers NEVER write a novel good enough to sell, even after a dozen or more attempts, and even many bestselling, wonderful writers had to write several.

But your first one is supposed to be your best, the one that's good enough to sell?

Call me when you've paid your dues by writing another five or six novels. Or another two dozen.
 

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I suggest you start reading a bunch of threads on these boards. To me it sounds like you're ready for a reality check.

For most people, getting published is a long, time-consuming process. Let's see... I know one person who just got a contract after querying/submitting/revising the same book for about five years. I know another who had written and queried 10 novels before signing with her agent. A picture book writer who attended SCBWI conferences for 8 years before selling his first book.

Learning the craft takes time. And rejection should not trigger despair, only a determination to learn more and get better at what you're doing.

If you've gotten no requests, there's something wrong with your query and first chapters. That's all. It doesn't mean there's something wrong with you. It just means you need to get back to work on it.
 

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Tricon, if you are writing, the chances are good you'll improve with each book. This isn't to say your first book isn't worthy! The agent and editor market is really tight right now. It's okay to wallow in a bit of despair, but temper it with some dark chocolate and the caffeine beverage of your choice. Then get back to work.

Sometimes, first novels benefit from a time-out. That, I can tell you from experience.

I've worked, off and on, with one big novel since around 1998 (though I did set it aside for nearly ten years until 2009). I thought I was ready to query then, and blew through 25 agents. My query letters were horrible. I re-worked them. Still no takers. I entered part of the mms in a big contest, and it won a higher-level honorable mention. Then I entered the whole mms in a big publishers contest, and it won third place. Tellingly, it did not get an offer - it was too big, and the senior editor told me it was lovely but it needed work. By then, even using the contest honors in my queries, I'd gone through nearly 70 agents, with only two partial requests and one full request. No sale, each time. And the agents/editors mirrored the opinion of the first editor to comment.

Swallowing my pride was really hard. But I finally understood what they'd been trying to tell me about my baby. It wasn't ready.

So I backed off. I wrote two short stories, and they sold. I wrote a new 99K novel in a different genre, in three months of working time. I sold it within a year of starting to write it. I used that sale to get the notice of an agent I could never have approached on my own. She's not my agent, yet. I still have to whip that first big mms into shape, but at least she's consented to take a look at it.

As long as you are diligent about writing and open to exchanging pride for learning experiences, your work will improve. Don't give up, and don't succumb to too much bitterness.
 
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Tricon, sometimes, we do more damage to our name by submitting before a work is ready. If your query letter and or samples are not impressing an agent, even a little, then there is a problem. It may be your work is not ready. It maybe the query is not up to par, or it just might be your work does not fit the agencies need at that particular time.

If you really want to write, to be published, then no one is going to stop you. You will keep writing and you will improve with each new work you finish.

There is an old saying, it takes a writer 1,000,000 words before they understand what they are doing, and to find their voice. First novels are often throw aways. Work on the next, and the next. Read books on the craft of writing, read the works of others who you admire. Join a critique group or post here in the SYW, (share your work) forum. I also suggest you critique the works of others or read critiques of others work. You may be surprised to learn how much this helps a writer to see their own flaws. And we all have them.

Good luck on your journey and don't let a rejection spoil your creative juices.
 

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How many agents have you submitted it to?
How long has it been?
Has your manuscript been looked at by a beta reader (some one not a close friend or relative) that can give you constructive feedback?

I'm in a similar position to tricon7 -- and after a new round of rejections, I'm giving myself a day or two to wallow in despair. (Then it's back to writing my new WIP, I promise!)

But I've been submitting since last October, I've so far sent queries to about 45 agents, and have gotten two partial requests that resulted in Rs. I had five beta readers for my manuscript (three of whom are writers themselves; the others were friends with varying genre preferences). My query letter has passed (more than once) through QLH, and I've gotten critiques on it and my opening pages.

I know all I can do at this point is keep writing and keep learning, but it's one of those days where I'm just at rock-bottom and feeling pretty depressed. :( These forums are a godsend on days like today. It's so nice to read everyone's words of encouragement.
 

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Tricon, sometimes, we do more damage to our name by submitting before a work is ready. If your query letter and or samples are not impressing an agent, even a little, then there is a problem. It may be your work is not ready. It maybe the query is not up to par, or it just might be your work does not fit the agencies need at that particular time.

Well said.

Agents are flooded with hundreds of submissions, and if your query letter is not on point, that could be the reason you are not receiving replies.

And as everyone else pointed out, patience is a key. Good luck!
 
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