Westminster Kennel Club drops Pedigree as sponsor

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Since I don't watch the news much, I didn't find out about this until I saw it on the Colbert Report:

http://www.examiner.com/pet-trainin...rs-to-westminster-kennel-club-adoptions-don-t

So, in a triumph of perception vs. reality and the 1% over the 99%, the Westminster Kennel Club has decided that a Pedigree commercial asking people to adopt shelter dogs goes against the WKC's purebreed mandate.

Would that be the same mandate that has catastrophically inbred American poodles, bulldogs, and collies into neurotic and/or deformed travesties, as well as furthering the spread of puppy mills?
 

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Millions of purebred dogs end up in shelters every year. My Min Pin came from a shelter.
 

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Geez, how disappointing and aggravating. When Hubby and I were considering get a puppy--a purebred--you better believe I checked Petfinder to find one in a shelter. This seems like a foolish thing for the Westminster to do. C'mon Westminter.
 

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Saw it on Colbert this morning and won't be watching Westminster again.
 

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Snooty idjits. My purebreed Pekingese (the breed that won this year) came from a rescue shelter.

Ish.
 

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Unless you were already in their demographic I doubt they would care. This is a group more worried about the putative "extinction" of pedigree breeds that the 3-4 million unwanted cats and dogs killed in the US annually. In the long run Pedigree will be the winner in this.
 

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Reading the thread title, I first thought the WKC had finally figured out that Pedigree is crappy dog food. But so is Purina, so that's not it.

I just find this difficult to believe - are they really that out of touch?

99%+ of purebred dog breeding should not be taking place by the ethical standards of quality hobby breeders or kennel clubs. Good breeding is not sticking some random purebred pets together and selling the resulting puppies to whomever can read a newspaper ad. Good breeders only breed show- or working-dog competition champions for the purposes of creating new potential champions. They sell the pet-quality pups with spay/neuter contracts (as well as many other contractual terms) and keep the potential champion-quality dogs or sell them on limited contracts to new upcoming breeders. They don't breed until they have a waiting list for their next litter; they perform genetic testing to ensure that they won't be passing on genetic defects to future generations; their puppies come with a health guarantee; etc., etc.

The purebred dogs you find in shelters did NOT come from quality breeders (with very rare exceptions), because a quality breeder will take a dog it produced back at any time in the dog's life, for any reason. Also, good breeders are almost always, at least at some point, involved in their breed's rescue efforts. People who know what good breeding is and only buy purebreds from good breeders are also often the same exact people who participate in rescue and adoptions.

Bad breeders - the kind who just breed their own pets - are what contributes to the dilution of the breed standard. They are the ones whose puppies end up in shelters, because they fail to do the necessary investigations of potential buyers to ensure that they are responsible people who are serious about the commitments involved in pet ownership, as well as seeking the right breed for their lifestyle. They are the ones who result in some breeds' bad reputations, by breeding dogs whose personalities should not be passed on and by selling puppies indiscriminately to idiots who are unable or unwilling to raise and train dogs properly. They are the ones who are contributing to massive shelter overpopulation, by allowing their buyers to let the puppies reproduce willy-nilly a few years later.

In other words, the goals of quality breeders and kennel clubs and the goals of animal rescue are the same. Or at least, they should be. WKC should have no part in the promotion of bad breeding, but it looks like that's what they're after, which just makes no sense to me.
 

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1...Do not confuse Puppy Farms and the AKC. The AKC discourages people from buying from puppy farms because of the conditions and breeding practices. The Minninites in Pennsylvania are among the worse offenders...

2...I don't see the problem with Pedigree offering support for adopting a dog (or cat), from your local animal shelter. It's a humane thing to do, if one can aford it.

3...Most dogs adopted at an Animal shelter will never get to the Westminister Dog show because unless they can prove their blood lines are pure, they will not be allowed to enter. So the AKC is over reacting here. I am very disappointed in the AKC about this...

4...The Westminister Dog Show is no longer a dog show about best in breed or best in show. It is now and has been for a long time a political contest on who can afford to have their dogs shown and be sceen in as many shows as possible, a dog the judges are familiar with. Takes a lot of $$$ to campaign a dog to get to Westminister. Professional dog handlers are not cheap...
 

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Let me see if I can follow this reasoning: if a person is inspired by a humane impulse to rescue a non-pedigreed dog from a shelter, that means exactly what to the Westminster Dog Show people? One less home for a purebred dog? Unlikely. One more mutt polluting the canine gene pool? Never heard of a shelter that didn't spay/neuter the animals it was adopting out. Encouraging people to adopt from shelters also encourages bad breeders to produce more dogs that end up in shelters? Nope, this might be an argument if the commercials were urging people to buy from pet stores, but can't see the connection to shelter adoption.
How exactly is encouraging the adoption of shelter animals "contrary to the mission" of the WDS?

I do hope this isn't some vaguely fascist notion of not encouraging the survival of anything other than the purebred . . .
 

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Unbelievable. We got our Great Pyrenees from a shelter. The tiny bit of what we think might be Golden Retriever has kept him far healthier far longer than many of the fullblood Pyrs I've seen who are his age or younger. They get decrepit around 10 years. He's at least 11, and still plays like a puppy sometimes.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k240/fudgestripecookays/SnowFargles.jpg

I love my shelter boy.
 

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Millions of purebred dogs end up in shelters every year. My Min Pin came from a shelter.

As did my three pyrs. From the few dog judges I've seen, the feeling is that any dog not, "up to snuff, should be put down." They don't like pure bred dogs getting into the hands of those who might not support the shows.
 

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There is a genuine belief in some circles that pushing adopting contributes to the "extinction" of pure breeds. Personally I feel breeding to show standards rather than the actual old types is more to blame. If you put a Dalmatian or dachshund from 100 years ago next to current best of breed winners.... they wouldn't look very similar.
 
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Unbelievable. We got our Great Pyrenees from a shelter. The tiny bit of what we think might be Golden Retriever has kept him far healthier far longer than many of the fullblood Pyrs I've seen who are his age or younger. They get decrepit around 10 years. He's at least 11, and still plays like a puppy sometimes.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k240/fudgestripecookays/SnowFargles.jpg

I love my shelter boy.

He has a great face.



Dogs bred for the American show ring are different than the exact same breed dogs bred for the British show ring.

In British shows the standard is for working quality and "field usage" in American shows more emphasis is placed on looks. Yes, height, bone structure, etc still count, but in American standards it's still ring quality over work quality.

Even in the dog world, looks count.
 

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There is a genuine belief in some circles that pushing adopting contributes to the "extinction" of pure breeds.

See, that's the logic that escapes me, veinglory. If all the stray cross-bred dogs in the world were neutered and adopted, doesn't that make the world "safer" for "pure" breeds? Letting cross-breed dogs wander around intact, making "connections" with the less carefully guarded of the pure - isn't that the bigger threat? How is encouraging adoption supposed to contribute to extinction?
 

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There is a genuine belief in some circles that pushing adopting contributes to the "extinction" of pure breeds.

As opposed to the progressively incestuous inbreeding being carried out by practitioners of those shows. Exactly.
 

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The Westminster Kennel Club is my nominee for the most dilettantish organization in the U.S., even surpassing the Augusta Country Club which runs the Master's Golf Tournament every spring. It wouldn't be so bad if they were just harmless cranks, but they are snobbish assholes. To present their annual "Dog Show" on a "sports" TV channel is about the most absurd piece of programming I've ever seen. A more unpleasant group of people might not exist on this planet, short of the Taliban.

caw
 

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It's probably about the money.

Pedigree (from WKC's standpoint) said, "Don't pay a thousand dollars for that purebred dog from breeders who support the shows. Get one for vet bills from a shelter."

Our Pyrs work. As Regdog pointed out, the American shows don't care about working dogs so we and our dogs don't care about the shows or breeding societies.

Yesterday the coyotes were literally circling the fences such that I could see them in broad daylight. Our Pyr/Maremma cross climbed the fence and chased them away. I could tell by their behavior, that they were trying to lead her away, but she wouldn't get more than 25 feet from the fence, ready to charge again. The full Pyr and the Pyr/Husky guarded the livestock from inside the fences. There were 8 lambs on the ground. That's why the coyotes were circling.
 

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Yesterday the coyotes were literally circling the fences such that I could see them in broad daylight. Our Pyr/Maremma cross climbed the fence and chased them away. I could tell by their behavior, that they were trying to lead her away, but she wouldn't get more than 25 feet from the fence, ready to charge again. The full Pyr and the Pyr/Husky guarded the livestock from inside the fences. There were 8 lambs on the ground. That's why the coyotes were circling.
Way to go, Pyrs! And smart girl (or well trained) not to be lured away by the coyotes!
 

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Not to turn this into a Pyrenees love thread, but it's amazing to watch them work. They take their jobs VERY seriously.

Our Fargo doesn't seem to be fully relaxed until his "flock" (my husband and I) are both home. He's the most laidback couch potato until someone comes into the area within our white picket fence, and then it's like flipping a switch. He turns into this snarling, panting madman of a protector.

I read this story a few months ago, and was blown away, even though I've seen what he's capable of when he's in working mode...

http://www.great-pyrenees-club-of-southern-ontario.com/Great-Pyr-and-Bear.html
 

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Way to go, Pyrs! And smart girl (or well trained) not to be lured away by the coyotes!

It's all her.

BTW, do other Pyrs sing? Our full pyr will sing, well really more of a yodel, when the coyotes start their nightly serenade. It sounds like the refrain from tune that goes with, "The Yanks are Coming."
 
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