Comma quizzes and other comma tips. Contributers are needed.

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Commas on both sides of the name.

Is it true that when you are writing a sentence and are addressing someone in dialogue by their name or nickname. That you have to use a coma before and after the name?

Example: "I am going to the football game at the high school tonight, Geri, okay?

Please let me and others know. Thank you.
 

Sydney

Commas and names.

Also does anyone know the rule about seperating advectives with commas?

Thanks.
 

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Yes, you need commas before and after "Geri."

With adjectives, do it like this:

a Christmas present ("Christmas" functions as an adjective in this example, but you treat "Christmas present" as a unit, like a noun, when adding adjectives as below)

a timely Christmas present

a welcome, timely Christmas present

an expensive, welcome, timely Christmas present

a mysterious, expensive, welcome, timely Christmas present
 

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Eats, shoots, and leaves

There's a great book -- it's British, I believe -- called Eats, Shoots, and Leaves. It talks about comma use and much more (like the Oxford comma and where it has gone). However, it's also filled with a multitude of punctuation hints. It also addresses your very question -- and is fun to read. Highly recommended.
 

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This is my favorite comman fact. Regardless of the comma rules. Also know that...


A comma may be used whenever it is necessary to force a pause for the sake of clarity.

so if a so called comma expert tells you to take the comma out. That according to comma rules it is not needed, but it makes the sentence easier to read.
Don't listen to them and keep it in.
 

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I think the rule of thumb with adjectives is that if you can place "and" between them you need a comma. So you wouldn't write a "Christmas and present," but you could (not recommending thaty your do) write "an expensive, and welcome, and timely Christmas present," in which case you need the commas.
 

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Comma quizzes because we all need it, and other comma concerns.

OK gang. Here we go again. The biggest problem all writers have are concerning the comma. So this this site for comma quizes.

Comma quizes that you yourselves make for all of us... or links to great comma quizes. If you check this post often, you will learn a lot to help you in your writing. I know I will. After awhile you will become savy with it as it naturally sinks in to your psyche. Then you will know these rules when you write and our novels will be better than ever. This will make a very fun site and easier for us to learn. Also if you find sites where the comma rules are easier to read and understand, you can include those too. Don't bother including the cluttered ones and those hard on the eyes.

I'll start with the first one.

Using Commas with Coordinating Conjunctions
 

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Thanks, that was fun...good site.

My first crit partner was a university English professor with a grammar fetish, and I learned more than I ever wanted to know about commas from him. I still get them wrong in certain instances, since I tend to write the way I would talk, inserting commas where I'd take a breath in speech.

I look forward to more quizzes...thank you.

SusanR
 

Sydney

commas on both sides

Well gosh this blows the other theory. Someone else tonight said.


1. Don't insert a comma in a sentence just because the sentence sounds like it needs a comma, and don't leave out commas just because you're afraid of using them incorrectly.
2. Learn the names or functions of the commas; then use the right commas to get your point across.

For a lot of fun about commas see the other post in novels called "comma quizzes."
 

Sydney

Comma quizzes

P.S. Quizzes is spelled with two z's. That was a big one, sorry about that everyone.

Your welcome and to others that enjoy this site. If this site helps you, it would be helpful if you would make a short quiz for it sometime. Or to also help by finding another good web site for us to visit.

Also, please no other punctuation here. No semi colons and etc. Thank you.
 

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That was fun. Mercifully, I aced it, but there was one I had to think about for a time.
 

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"I'm going, Geri, okay?" - check


Both of these are acceptable:

My sister, Jenny, wants to go to the ball.

My sister Jenny wants to go to the ball.

Correct: We are here to welcome the president, Mr. George Bush.

Incorrect: We are here to welcome President, George Bush.


 

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Both of these are acceptable:

My sister, Jenny, wants to go to the ball.

My sister Jenny wants to go to the ball.

They are both acceptable depending on usage.

The first is acceptable if there is only one sister, and her name is Jenny. In this case "Jenny" is a non-restrictive appositive.

The second is used when the appositive (Jenny) is restrictive (for example there are many sisters).
 
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Sydney said:
This is my favorite comman fact. Regardless of the comma rules. Also know that...


A comma may be used whenever it is necessary to force a pause for the sake of clarity.

so if a so called comma expert tells you to take the comma out. That according to comma rules it is not needed, but it makes the sentence easier to read.
Don't listen to them and keep it in.

When applicable, this "rule" works well, but the trouble with this rule is that it very often doesn't make the sentence easier to read. It only makes the sentence confusing. It's just a good excuse to use commas improperly.

When a comma expert tells you to remove a comma, remove it. Comma experts also know all about this rule, and know when it works. . .and when it doesn't. It usually doesn't.
 

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Sydney said:
Well gosh this blows the other theory. Someone else tonight said.



1. Don't insert a comma in a sentence just because the sentence sounds like it needs a comma, and don't leave out commas just because you're afraid of using them incorrectly.
2. Learn the names or functions of the commas; then use the right commas to get your point across.

For a lot of fun about commas see the other post in novels called "comma quizzes."



This is the right way. Comma use isn't arbitrary. There's always reason to use, or not to use, a comma.
 

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A long-time favorite example reminds us writers why we have to set off the name (or title, or group name, whatever) of the person being talked to. There’s a major difference between Let’s eat, Grandma! and Let’s eat Grandma!

Some of us could use a refresher course in using commas to separate any direct address--that’s one character speaking (or writing) directly to somebody.

Use commas to separate the name, title, or other words used in direct address--using a name, or a name substitute, when speaking to that person.

It doesn’t matter if the direct address is to a single person, a small group, a multitude, or even a non-physical concept. It also doesn’t matter if you’re using full names, proper names, job titles, terms of respect, derogatory terms, formal titles, nicknames, phrases to describe or identify a group, etc.

Hi, Sarah!
Honey, you’re home early. Dinner’s not ready.
I’m going out to eat, dimwit. Remember?
Mr. Smith, your table is ready.
Yes, your Honor, I killed him.
All right, you in the press box, let’s settle down.
Hey, dude, what's wrong?

Use one comma if the direct address appears at the beginning of the sentence.
Mr. Smith, I need your keys.
Honey, where's my blue tie?
Man, you just don't get it.

Use one comma if the direct address appears at the end of the sentence.
I need your keys, Mr. Smith.
Where's my blue tie, honey?
You just don't get it, man.

Use two commas if the direct address appears anywhere else in the sentence.
I need your keys, Mr. Smith, for the valet service.
Where's my blue tie, honey, or the brown one?
You just don't get it, man, or you'd go along on this.

It has to be a comma (or two). Not ellipses if the speaker is to pause. Not a period. Not a colon. Not a dash or a hyphen or extra blank space.

To test whether a name is used as a direct address, see if the sentence still makes sense--and the same sense--without it. If it does, then the use of the name is direct address.

Maryn, who has a hand-out on this, too
 

Sydney

If you are giving any comma advice when you post, please indicate if it is British or U.S. rules.

To make my own skills better, I am doing 1/2 hour minimum of comma reading every day. Thats where this site can also help.

Also, since there are so many pages all over the internet. Some advice helps you and some advice overwhelms you.

To keep myself from being overwhelmed and confused, I have started a word page for myself about commas. I will daily take a comma rule that I understand off of a site. Whether it is from you all here, or whether it is from the internet. Then I will add it to my comma document within topics.

This document that I make will be reviewed monthly. As more time passes I will understand more and more. Things that were once confusing will soon make sense and be added to the document. Eventually I should have all of these rules down pat.
 

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Comma quizzes that we all need, and other comma advice. Contributers help needed.

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Comma quizes because we all need it, and other comma concerns.
OK gang. Here we go again. The biggest problem all writers have are concerning the comma. So this this site for comma quizes.

Comma quizes that you yourselves make for all of us... or links to great comma quizes. If you check this post often, you will learn a lot to help you in your writing. I know I will. After awhile you will become savy with it as it naturally sinks in to your psyche. Then you will know these rules when you write and our novels will be better than ever. This will make a very fun site and easier for us to learn. Also if you find sites where the comma rules are easier to read and understand, you can include those too. Don't bother including the cluttered ones and those hard on the eyes.

I'll start with the first one.

Using Commas with Coordinating Conjunctions
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Thanks, that was fun...good site.

My first crit partner was a university English professor with a grammar fetish, and I learned more than I ever wanted to know about commas from him. I still get them wrong in certain instances, since I tend to write the way I would talk, inserting commas where I'd take a breath in speech.

I look forward to more quizzes...thank you.

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Comma quizzes
P.S. Quizzes is spelled with two z's. That was a big one, sorry about that everyone.

Your welcome and to others that enjoy this site. If this site helps you, it would be helpful if you would make a short quiz for it sometime. Or to also help by finding another good web site for us to visit.

Also, please no other punctuation here. No semi colons and etc. Thank you.
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There is one problem with this. Different rules for British English and American English. So we will have to learn the difference.

http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuat...ses/commas1.asp

On this one you can open up the answers on the bottom and check as you go, if you prefer.
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If you are giving any comma advice when you post, please indicate if it is British or U.S. rules.

To make my own skills better, I am doing 1/2 hour minimum of comma reading every day. Thats where this site can also help.

Also, since there are so many pages all over the internet. Some advice helps you and some advice overwhelms you.

To keep myself from being overwhelmed and confused, I have started a word page for myself about commas. I will daily take a comma rule that I understand off of a site. Whether it is from you all here, or whether it is from the internet. Then I will add it to my comma document within topics.

This document that I make will be reviewed monthly. As more time passes I will understand more and more. Things that were once confusing will soon make sense and be added to the document. Eventually I should have all of these rules down pat.
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Sydney

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Someone sent a piece of mail to me saying they liked the idea of this site. They would go nuts seeing it spelled wrong daily though.

As I writer I know exactly what they mean. It was bugging me too. So I started this new thread with quizzes spelled correctly. We can let the other site die its usual death.
 
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Sydney

Please let this thread die. We are going to use the other one just like it, but where quizzes is spelled correctly.
 

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Comma quizzes?

How about ellipses enigmas?

Parentheses puzzles?

Quotation quagmires?

Ampersand ambiguities?

Sorry ... it's late and I got carried away.

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Comma quizzes?

How about ellipses enigmas?

Parentheses puzzles?

Quotation quagmires?

Ampersand ambiguities?

Sorry ... it's late and I got carried away.

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No, because most writers have easily remembered those other rules. Commas have so many rules. They are more difficult for people to remember and foul us up all the time.
 
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Sydney said:
Commas have so many rules. They are more difficult for people to remember and foul us up all the time.
Sydney, I think Cabinscribe was just having a little fun with the concept.

I'd like to see some less sweeping generalizations about commas and "us." Not everyone has so much trouble with commas. If you learn the principles of their use along with learning how sentences are put together, you can use commas correctly without having to remember rules.
 
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