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WinterDusk14

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I've been working on the first chapter of my book for way too long all ready. Its hindering my progression because I keep going back to it, obsessing over it. I've written multiple scenes, and so far, I got two that feels 'right'. But then I changed it again with something that feels just as 'right', and personally, the second one sounds more interesting to me. But the first one keeps calling me, wanting to be put back on its place. So, I've had enough, I want to move on to finishing the book and edit later, and to settle my first chapter obsession, I came here to seek everyone's wisdom.

In short, which scene do you think is better? Again, this is the first chapter, I'm trying to hook you in.

a) Old man attempts suicide when a creature barges into his shop. After a brief exchange of words, old man wakes up from his dream. He receives a visit from an old friend, asking him to take care of his granddaughter.

b) Old man attempts suicide, creature barges in, but this time, it isn't a dream. The thing is real and soon retreats when a girl comes in. The shop is already destroyed. And as the old man settles down, I wrote something around, "It started over a week ago, when he received the most unwelcome guest." The next half of the chapter is basically letter A above, but with reduced dialog (as half of it are about sarcasms and insults).

The conflict I'm having here is I want a slow start like in the first one (except for the creature part). I don't want to show or hint the fate of the old man and the girl so early in story. Plus, the shop plays a big role, at least emotionally for the old man.

But then again, the second one where the shop is already in ruins, the girl already living with the old man, and other messed up things I haven't revealed, sounds a lot more interesting for a hook. But I'm not too sure with the flashback thing, even though in this version it only lasts for a chapter and a half.

Again, I want to start slow, build up the tension as the story moves on. But I'm not too sure if this is the path I need.

Any suggestions then? Anyone?
 

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If you do use a dream sequence, tell the readers it's a dream at the beginning. Few things irritate readers more than getting into a story only to find out it was all just a dream.
 

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A flashback might feel a bit awkward this early in the story. I'd go with option A, but yes, make it abundantly clear that it's a (presumably prophetic) dream before it happens.
 

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But then again, the second one where the shop is already in ruins, the girl already living with the old man, and other messed up things I haven't revealed, sounds a lot more interesting for a hook.
The hook is in how you write it, whichever opening you go for.
 

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The hook is in how you write it, whichever opening you go for.

Ah, yes. Thank you for reminding me that.

By your comments, I'm inclined to choose letter A. Maybe I'll get rid of the entire dream sequence, and make the creature's threat real.

Thanks everyone for the feedback.
 

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I like option B, mainly because I think opening dream sequences can be a bit off-putting to a reader.
 

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Starting slow and building the tension...

ZZZZZ <<< thats me falling asleep.

I like a book in which the tension is evident from the get go and continues to build. But hey, that's just me....
 

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Dreams irritate everyone. Period
 

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As I've mentioned in another area of the forum...

Begin shortly before the incident that pulls your MC into the story conflict and propels him forward to the end.

Show us the status quo.

Then violently un-quo the quo.
 

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I think that B would be somewhat better, but you might just write the thing, then decidee how to rewrite it. It might be that the best beginning won't be clear until after you finished the thing. Perhaps it should start when the old man was a young boy, or someone may tell the whole thing in retrospect.
 

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I agree, no dream sequences to start. And I wouldn't worry so much about the best way to write the first chapter right now. A lot of times, the first chapter and the last chapter kind of echo each other, so I don't always know where the best place to start is until I'm finished. I almost always change my beginning when I'm in revisions. Good luck.
 

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Here's another vote for not starting with a dream sequence. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by starting slow, but I usually like books that grab me from the beginning and don't let me stop reading until I get to the last word.

If you're stressing about this, maybe put the first chapter onto a flash drive, give it to a friend, delete it from your computer, and pretend it doesn't exist until you finish the novel. Once you're done you'll be able to look at it with fresher eyes and see how it ties into the rest of the novel better. If you keep worrying you'll never finish.
 

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I like the threat from the creature being real but if it's real, why would a girl make the creature hide? I'm just wondering because, if it's that much of a threat to one person, why would it care about someone else being there?

Sorry if I sound horrid, I'm not trying to be, I'm just trying to work it out is all :)
 

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I agree with those who have advised you to finish the novel before you worry too much about the opening chapter.

I have obsessed over my novel openings too much in the past -- for my current WIP I think I wrote 14 different versions of the first chapter! Now that I've finished it, I've got a much clearer idea of how the story needs to start.
 

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He receives a visit from an old friend, asking him to take care of his granddaughter.
I'm guessing that's the start of the story, so why not start there? If I don't know anything about the character before he's being attacked by strange creatures, I probably won't much care about what happens.

But I agree with the posts above about leaving the first chapter until the book is done; you can easily revise it later.
 

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Slow starts and dream sequences are the kiss of death for an opening chapter. Even if your readers might forgive you for one or the other, prospective agents and publishers are unlikely to. (And you should never hang your hat on both!)

I've read in at least 5 different agent blogs that the opening chapter turning out to be a dream is hugely overdone, and such a cliche that they'll reject it without further thought.

But more importantly: Finish the rest of the book, then come back and rewrite your beginning. If you wait until each chapter is "perfect" before you move on to the next one, you'll never finish your novel. (And most writers get a better sense of scope on their novel once it's finished. They'll be aware of changes that need to be made during the revision process that they wouldn't have noticed during the first draft writing process)
 

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I would just forget there's such a thing as first chapters and write the rest of the story. When I'm stuck on a particular portion of a story, I find it very helpful to just stop for the time being, insert a note like:

[Insert witty example here]
And move on with the rest of the tale. Usually it's so much easier when I come back to it after the rest of the work is done and I know what needs to happen or just have taken the pressure off.
 

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You might find that once you've written the rest of the story you'll find that one of the first chapter options will fit in better than the other. Option A hooks me more but I don't like the idea of it being a dream.
 

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Dreams irritate everyone. Period

I have to disagree. I mean, I agree they are annoying if not done extremely well, but look at Harry Potter.

This early on, you're going to lose your readers' trust if you present a scene that turns out to be a dream. Sometimes you might WANT your readers to distrust your narrator, but just be aware that's what you're doing.

And I agree with Jettica. Keep writing the story and the right opening might become more clear as you go.

Regards,

Lucie
 

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but look at Harry Potter.

What about Harry Potter? The only dream I can think of is when he dreams about Quirrel's turban in book one (and I vaguely remember he dreams about embarrassing himself at quiditch at some point?). And even then it's not really a dream sequence so much as it is Rowling taking a quick paragraph to succinctly say 'Harry dreamed this.' A paragraph is the most attention a dream should be given, and even then it's often too much.

If you're referring the "dreams" he has of Voldemort I would argue they don't count as dreams, as he was witnessing events that were actually occurring.
 

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But more importantly: Finish the rest of the book, then come back and rewrite your beginning. If you wait until each chapter is "perfect" before you move on to the next one, you'll never finish your novel. (And most writers get a better sense of scope on their novel once it's finished. They'll be aware of changes that need to be made during the revision process that they wouldn't have noticed during the first draft writing process)

I think this is the best advice yet. Dream or no dream opening, if you keep pecking away at the beginning and only the beginning, you're not going to get any further along.

And who knows, once you get further into your story, you will get a better sense of where the novel needs to start to make the greatest impact on the story further in. But you won't know that until you're further in the story!

today's word: further :eek:

...and now I'm neurotic about further vs. farther *goes to read up on that*
 
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Dreams irritate everyone. Period

I have to disagree. I mean, I agree they are annoying if not done extremely well, but look at Harry Potter.
I was going to make this EXACT objection!

What about Harry Potter? The only dream I can think of is when he dreams about Quirrel's turban in book one (and I vaguely remember he dreams about embarrassing himself at quiditch at some point?). And even then it's not really a dream sequence so much as it is Rowling taking a quick paragraph to succinctly say 'Harry dreamed this.' A paragraph is the most attention a dream should be given, and even then it's often too much.

If you're referring the "dreams" he has of Voldemort I would argue they don't count as dreams, as he was witnessing events that were actually occurring.
I would argue that the Voldemort dreams ARE dreams (he dreams them, regardless of whether they're actually happening). But the more important lesson to take from Harry Potter (which is the only book/series I can think of reading with dream sequences, but that's probably because I'm currently reading them) is how to do successful dreams. And that is to make sure that they are absolutely 100% necessary in furthering either characterization or plot or both. Does the dream tell you something about the character (i.e. the quidditch dream)? Does it show some major plot point (Harry's dreams of Quirrell or Voldemort)? If there's a better way to show these things, ditch the dream. And as Megan said, don't dwell on the dream. Be succinct.

I'd also second everyone else's advice to just finish the book and go back to worry about chapter 1 later. I've often found that after finishing a book, I don't even need chapter 1 anymore at all, and I start at chapter 2 or even 3 instead. Just make yourself a note, and move on.
Best of luck. :)
 
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