Does Anyone Else Feel Daunted?

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I started out writing psychological crime novels. As much as I love them, I've slowly realised it's not what I want to write.

So here I am taking the plunge. I've started researching my historical novel about James I [of Scotland.] I've never felt this daunted about a project before [not even with my dissertation!]

Anyone feel like this?
 

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I am quite daunted!

I want to do a historical novel about ancient Nubia and other parts of Africa aka the fabled kingom of Mali. The information is mind boggling and there is so much of it! I want to get every detail right. I haven't even started a single word because the research is so intense.
 

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I'd love to do something in ancient Egypt. I know just enough to be dangerous... and yes, I'm daunted by the wealth of information available and how many people know it sooooo much better than I do.
 

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Im a historian by trade and I've been researching the places and times I write HF about, and I'm still daunted. Frankly, I don't know how anyone writes HF without a PhD (though many do and darned well, too).
 

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Bit off the wall, but, one of my observations here on AW (and elsewhere) is that what really counts is a good story - and all too often that is lacking. The historical research and facts may be above reproach, but if there isn't a good story (meaning plot) to go along with them, they can fall pretty flat - and that includes impeccable recounting of major periods of history.

So, my advice to anyone starting out, whether daunted or not, is to make sure before you start that you have a good story, plotwise, to tell. Puma
 

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Im a historian by trade and I've been researching the places and times I write HF about, and I'm still daunted. Frankly, I don't know how anyone writes HF without a PhD (though many do and darned well, too).

Heh. Some of us have a good connection with someone who does have a PhD in it. :D
 

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Hell yes, I am! I tried it, but there was just so much I didn't know, even though I have a masters in history.

Add to that, a LOT of the stuff I feel makes my writing sparkle, is the dialogue, and I was constantly tripping over things like when 'okay' and 'hello' came into common usage. It was just a bit too much of a battle field for me, and I have to say I gave up.

Those of you who actually write in this genre are really to be commended. It's hard work!
 

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I guess I'm alone on this one but I don't feel one bit daunted. Challenged, yes, daunted, not at all. Of course I LOVE research and soak it up like a sponge. Maybe that's the difference.
 

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I love research as well but I still feel daunted. I think it's because I have set high expectations upon myself, and I really don't want to write a novel that all the history snobs hate because it's so inaccurate.
 

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the other thing is, history is subjective. Chances are, you can find several texts on any one topic that completely and utterly contradict each other.

Then, the other problem being, some facts are so improbable, that it might be difficult for the average reader to believe what you've written, even though the research is correct.

I think these are the reasons that I find it daunting. I've been offered the opportunity to do a PhD in history and while I'd find that challenging, I wouldn't find the thought of it daunting in the same way writing historical fiction is. I guess I'm weird like that though!
 

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Just a suggestion.

Having tutored, mentored and helped writers for a few years I/we've found a few things which have helped those of us (writers of historical novels) who felt overwhelmed.

1. Have a cracking good story you want to tell.

2. Get the period fixed visually.
Visit as many places as possible, villages, houses, castles etc of your time period.
Next best is to use DVDs and the web. As you research get into museums, art galleries, antique shops, places where people reenact your period. Get the pictures in your head.

3. Surround your writing place with postcard reproductions of buildings, paintings of people in the right clothes, countryside views, and a map, a calendar and weather for your year. (All available from the time and date website.) Remember to get the moon calendar as well.

4. Know your MCs. Write a Day in the Life of each of them. Know what they wear, how they speak. Spend one day living without electricity, piped water and other mod cons. to see what becomes important. Try to live as your characters would have for a day, try cooking, eating and working their way.

All this should create in your writer's mind the world of your characters as you see it. It won't be the same as, say, my 17thC or 2000BC but, because you believe in it, it will ring true to readers.

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5. You will always make mistakes but you can forgive yourself if you have done the research, and tried to get it right.

That means more than using google!

Edited to add
Er...what is that weird symbol at the top of the message?
 
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pdr, that looks like a thumbs down symbol to me! When you go to "go advanced" rather than quick reply, it gives you the option of assigning a symbol to your response.
 

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I feel daunted sometimes, coming up with believable species and worlds for sci fi. I often sketch creatures, many times over, to get something I want.
 

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I never felt daunted while writing. Well, I did a little, but that was over my plot, not research. I couldn't get away from the story for too long and never let the research distract me - well it did a little, but although I did a great deal of research, I researched when I needed to find something to fit or to understand in my story and any research is generally way in the background of the story, but I now feel very daunted as to wether to continue writing in a particular period.
 
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It never occurred to me to feel daunted.

I love doing the research and to make it easier on myself, I tend to write about periods I have some familiarity with and where I know there are plenty of reliable resources. The WW2 stuff was the most fun to write. I could pick my Dad's brain because he was just a boy during the war and has some good memories, plus he is extremely clued up on bus and train services of the time, the planes (one of his friends restores war birds for a living) and music. While I was writing the WW2 book, I listened to the music of the time and that really really helped.

But, as pdr and Puma say, you need a good plot first and, as Donroc says, avoid info-dumping. The latter is easy to do when you get all excited about the research you've done. I was definitely guilty of it in the first draft of the WW2 novel. My first Beta reader brutally pointed out that the hero's letters about his planes were horribly similar to a bunch of blokes sitting around talking about car engines :D
 

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I used to feel daunted....

I'm a historian by academic background, and have read history almost all my life, and I've always been terrified of writing historical fiction. Then I read some Harold Lamb reprints, and then some recent historicals and realised it was something I could and needed to do.


I think the trick is to distinguish between
  • Plot Critical: What you need to know to draft the plot - e.g. things like structure of society.
  • Narrative Critical: What you need to know write the scenes - e.g. interior of a peasant dwelling.
  • Texture: Cool things you can throw in to create a sense of reality - e.g. pattern for traditional peasant hairbrush.
You only need to Plot Critical stuff before you draft a rough outline. Once you have any sort of outline, this considerably narrows down the field for Narrative Critical research.

For what it's worth, this is what I think the Plot Critical stuff looks like for my kind of story:
Conflict2.png


And my first research map for my Dark Age WIP looks like this:
Byzantium.jpg


More thoughts on my LJ.
 
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Bit off the wall, but, one of my observations here on AW (and elsewhere) is that what really counts is a good story - and all too often that is lacking. The historical research and facts may be above reproach, but if there isn't a good story (meaning plot) to go along with them, they can fall pretty flat - and that includes impeccable recounting of major periods of history.

So, my advice to anyone starting out, whether daunted or not, is to make sure before you start that you have a good story, plotwise, to tell. Puma

You are so right about this. This may be the best advice I've ever read on this forum!
 

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I never felt daunted whenever I approached a new historical novel.
On the other hand, I love starting a new project (and finishing it :D), so the research and discovery is actually a welcomed bonus.
 

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the other thing is, history is subjective. Chances are, you can find several texts on any one topic that completely and utterly contradict each other.

Very much so. When I wrote my medieval novel pretty much all the research material was in agreement on the really important stuff. I had to dig a little deeper for other things but once I found two or more that agreed I went with that.

This time I'm not so lucky. In researching the ancient Babylonian empire I found wildly varying accounts of the same events, the identities of specific individuals and what they did, the location or even existence of things we commonly accept today etc. In the end you have to be confident in what you decide to use - that it is either the best guess or the most probable or as a writer of fiction, you can make a good enough case for it that the reader says, 'yeah, it could have been that way'.

I think we must keep in mind that we are not rewriting textbooks we are telling stories. As much as possible I keep my writing historically accurate but there are always going to be unknowns. Recorded history is not an absolute, particularly the farther back you go.

Feeling daunted makes you tentative and I think a writer must be bold. But that could just be me. By nature I am extremely tenacious. I won't let go of something until I've reached a conclusion that satisfies me. Then I go with it and let the chips fall where they may.