Past or present tense?

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For some reason I hate books written in present tense. They just sound fake to me, feel contrived. It's funny but books in past tense feel more present than present tense. Any explanation to that? Anyone else get irritated by present tense. Oh sh*t - does anyone here actually WRITE in present tense???
 

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Present tense always reads like an outline or synopsis to me. Like what the writer puts down just before they actually write the story.
 

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Present tense always reads like an outline or synopsis to me. Like what the writer puts down just before they actually write the story.

Exactly! I agree. It feels like the jotting down of ideas.
 

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I know how you feel. I'm kind of in the same boat. Right now I'm scanning through my novel again, and fixing the present/past tense issues I made (I generally prefer past tense myself).

My creative writing professor told me that I should write in present tense, but again, I just don't seem to like doing it (cept when I'm writing a screenplay, where it's sort of mandatory that you do present tense, which is probably why I'm mixing the past/present tense stuff so much in my novel. Oh well, I would like to master both formats someday :)).

A question to experienced writers out there. Does it ultimately matter which one you use, so long as you're consistent with it? Or is one format generally preferred over another?
 

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I believe present tense is viewed as being 'trendy', sassy, edgy...for that reason I've noticed one or two YA books (not fantasy but teen-issue books) that I've read recently have been present tense. I recently read 'Be More Chill' by Ned Vizzini, and I couldn't recall if that was past or present. I've just opened it up and realised it's present...so, I guess personally speaking it doesn't bother me, doesn't even register with me one way or the other. All I would say is that I think present tense is suitable in some settings and not others. I'd say historical novels, or a work designed to appear traditional, classic even...it would be inappropriate for.
 

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Present tense doesn't bother me. I'm more turned off by first person, and often present tense is also in first person.
 

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I usually write in 1st person (nowdays) because I had re-written my 1st novel about my life into 3rd person. That made it extremely confusing.
If I want to edit my writing now, it makes it easier to edit it because a lot of it is in past tense.
It isn't easy writing as though I am no longer present yet it is very beneficial for me (and possibly others).
 

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It matters like it matters whether your boat is made of teak or sheet metal.

Every choice in a novel matters, will produce a particular effect in the reader.

Because past tense is both the over-riding convention AND a natural fit to telling a story that has already happened, it is the "invisible" choice. So if you choose present tense (outside of screenplay, where present tense is the invisible choice), you are telling the reader a host of things, for example:

- the narrator has not processed or evaluated the events (first person)
- stronger sense of intimacy (depending somewhat on what the present tense
narrator is saying).
- strong suggestion of first person (I've never picked up a present-tense,
third-person story, but I don't get out much).

But seriously, every choice you make has an effect on the reader, every single word.
 

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Well I certainly don't want to drive the reader 'nuts' and/or give myself a headache re-reading and editing it...or writing it either!
It's not easy writing one's life story as if it has already past, you know?, even though most of it has (already. Even as I type this word...after the last ones I just typed!):)
 

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I've written one short story in present tense, and it was a struggle to write. Similarly, I find it a struggle to read. I wouldn't say a good story can't be written in present tense, but I think it's that much harder to do well, and so the reader isn't constantly aware of the style, rather than the story.
 

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Most of my YA stuff tends to be in first person, past tense. I do attempt third person sometimes but it doesn't interest me as much. I have one novel (on its second rejection now) that's in present tense because that was just the way it came out; I couldn't get it to work in past tense no matter what I did.
 

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One thing Ive noticed is....if you start a WIP either in past or present...it's really hard to reverse that decision. Once I get in the groove, one way or the other, I find it impossible to think of that tale in another tense.
 

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As long as the writing is well done and the story maintains my interest, I don't care what tense it's written in. In fact, if the writing is good enough, I often don't notice what tense it's in, though my writer's eye may eventually overrule my reader's eye and make note of it.

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MystiAnne said:
- the narrator has not processed or evaluated the events (first person)
- stronger sense of intimacy (depending somewhat on what the present tense
narrator is saying).

But seriously, every choice you make has an effect on the reader, every single word.



Wow . . . I finished a novel this spring that's in present tense & I hadn't thought of it this way but this is exactly what I was going for with my wonderfully un-reliable narrator. Thanks for putting it down like this!

I like first-person stories, and present tense brings me into a story a lot quicker than past, just pick up any of Chuck Palahniuk's fiction [pre-Haunted] and you'll see what I mean. Some stories can't be told that way, though. The novel I'm working on now is in past, for its own reasons, and it's going very well so far!
 

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I love first person, and I can tolerate present tense in some short stories, but not in novels. To me, it usually reads fake, pretentious, and boring as all heck.

Worse, I don't believe it. The story is not happening as I read it, and suspending disbelief in impossible.

I've rad two novels I liked that were written in present tense, and I liked both despite the tense, not because of it. The present tense just got in the way and came across as a poor gimmick.
 
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Hello everyone - newbie here.

I thought it was quite funny that there seem to be so many people who go "ICK!" at present tense. A few years ago I was writing in past and found that it was very stop-and-start, jerky, oh good Lord it took aaaaaaaages to write a 'normal size' novel then for some reason I figured, to rewrite it and try to make it fresher, I would start again from the beginning and edit it all into present tense and from then on it worked, it flowed, I wrote a lot faster (even when not merely editing, but writing from scratch).

When I read novels I don't tend to notice in which tense they are written, I mean, I'm aware of it but it doesn't really register. I've heard one author in particular say she absolutely hates it (steady on love!) as it's pretentious on the part of the writer to make out "Ooh I don't know what happens next, I'm going to be as surprised as you, dear reader!"

So what. It works for me. Maybe if I was asked to write in past, I could write the entire think in present and edit it all into past, but hey - it works for me. Saves me having to work out all those flashback problems - did she? Had she? She had once done this? Had she in the past done or did?

Aw, you know what I mean.
 

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I'm glad that you find writing a more enjoyable pasttime now, but I've never really thought that writing was suppose to be easy. If I tried to do two things and one was harder, I'd probably end up choosing the harder one. Easy is boring. But ultimately, the goal should be to make it easy/enjoyable/etc. for the reader, not the writer. IMO, anyways.
 
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Perhaps I didn't explain myself well enough (oh yeah, a great way for a writer to go...) What I meant was, I find it easier to get 'in the zone' when writing in present tense - a sign that this is the way I'm 'meant' to write? Perhaps. I feel it lends itself to immediacy...

It's like third person. That's the way I write naturally. I just can't write in first. It feels...somehow 'wrong'.

I guess with present tense I just more easily found my voice.
 

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Hello everyone - newbie here.

I thought it was quite funny that there seem to be so many people who go "ICK!" at present tense. A few years ago I was writing in past and found that it was very stop-and-start, jerky, oh good Lord it took aaaaaaaages to write a 'normal size' novel then for some reason I figured, to rewrite it and try to make it fresher, I would start again from the beginning and edit it all into present tense and from then on it worked, it flowed, I wrote a lot faster (even when not merely editing, but writing from scratch).

When I read novels I don't tend to notice in which tense they are written, I mean, I'm aware of it but it doesn't really register. I've heard one author in particular say she absolutely hates it (steady on love!) as it's pretentious on the part of the writer to make out "Ooh I don't know what happens next, I'm going to be as surprised as you, dear reader!"

So what. It works for me. Maybe if I was asked to write in past, I could write the entire think in present and edit it all into past, but hey - it works for me. Saves me having to work out all those flashback problems - did she? Had she? She had once done this? Had she in the past done or did?

Aw, you know what I mean.

You'll find the general populace doesn't care much for present tense at all. This is why so few present tense novels find a publisher.

But that writer only thinks it's pretentious for a writer to say he doesn't know what happens next because she can't write that way, so she assumes no one else can, either. But this has nothing to do with past or present tense.

Flashbacks have nothing to with with past or present tense, either, and present tense need flashbacks the same way and for the same reasons past tense needs them. More so, probably.
 
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