Hello!

Celia Cyanide · Dec 10, 2009

I've been poking around in this forum for a while now and thought I would take a moment to introduce myself. Being a nude, fetish, and erotic model, I'm a little bit sensitive about how I am viewed by other people, but also very interested in hearing what you all have to say. When I do videos, it's interesting to see the scripts our clients write for us, and the ideas they come up with.

But enough about me...if you have a minute, please say hello and tell me a bit about what brings you here, what you write, etc.

scarletpeaches · Dec 10, 2009

Hello you. Have we met?

My name is scarletpeaches and I write erotica because...

I find it incredibly easy. Now of course, 'easy to write' shouldn't be as high on our list of priorities as 'easy to read' but it's a good start.

After hours of MSN conversations with tt42 about how bad so much erotica is, and how so many writers fail on the details, I realised this is my genre. Instead of railing against authors trying so hard to be explicit they forget to be sensual and sexy, I should shurrup and get on with it myself.

And show them how it's done!

Sex is such an important part of life; I want to do my part to show that. Call it a crusade if you life; there's too much shame and embarrassment and 'tee hee, she writes dirty books' in this game.

I want to do away with that.

William Haskins · Dec 10, 2009

i just want to say hello.

firedrake · Dec 10, 2009

Hi!
I don't write erotica but I do have some erotica-type scenes in my books so I found myself in this part of the forum to get some help. I've stayed ever since.

Welcome!

Seaclusion2 · Dec 10, 2009

I don't write erotica either, but I too have erotic scenes in my works. I've been lurking to get a better idea on how it's done. The writing part, of course.

Richard

kuwisdelu · Dec 10, 2009

Celia Cyanide said:
Being a nude, fetish, and erotic model

This is enough for me.

I'll be right back.

Err. Welcome!

Celia Cyanide · Dec 10, 2009

Thank you all for the welcome!

scarletpeaches said:
After hours of MSN conversations with tt42 about how bad so much erotica is, and how so many writers fail on the details, I realised this is my genre. Instead of railing against authors trying so hard to be explicit they forget to be sensual and sexy, I should shurrup and get on with it myself.

And show them how it's done!

That is very interesting. I do understand completely what you mean by this. So often when I read sex scenes in novels, I'm amazed at how incredibly dull I find them to be. I end up thinking, "this should be the best part, but intead, I just want to skip over it. Why is that?" I do think that many writers do, as you say, try so hard to be explicit that they can't make the scene unique. If it were taken out, it wouldn't result in any change in plot or character development. It leaves me scratching my head, and saying, "Okay, I'm an adult, and I know how it works. You don't need to explain it to me. Okay, thanks."

Maryn · Dec 10, 2009

My take on scenes like that, Celia, is like any scene in any novel--if it doesn't need to be there to illuminate character or advance the plot, why is it there at all?

I no longer remember which Jonathan Kellerman novel it was, but there was a scene in which he was bopping 'the other twin,' unknown to him. Until the anilingus, anyway. It was kind of hot, for Kellerman, but served the plot. It made the character suspect something was not right, and as I recall, that's how he learned a twin existed.

Other end of the spectrum: Again I don't know which novel, but James Patterson's snake and the milk enema was just creepy, a scene designed to titillate but not really serving the story. (One more reason to stop reading him, like I didn't have enough.) He could have found many other ways to say the bad guy holding these young women was seriously fucked up, but he chose something not only way weird to most readers, but way over the top. I can't help but wonder if it aroused him.

To me, that's the difference between porn and erotica. In erotica, if all the sex scenes were replaced with "and they had great sex," you'd still have a pretty good story, albeit shorter.

Maryn, who spends a lot of time on story

scarletpeaches · Dec 10, 2009

If I took all the sex out of my first book I'd have a very, very short story.

Aggy B. · Dec 10, 2009

Celia Cyanide said:
But enough about me...if you have a minute, please say hello and tell me a bit about what brings you here, what you write, etc.

Hello!

I write speculative fiction mostly. With a focus on steampunk (at the moment) and cyberpunk. I hang out in the erotica forum because I'm trying to learn how to write without censoring myself. On any subject.

thethinker42 · Dec 10, 2009

scarletpeaches said:
If I took all the sex out of my first book I'd have a very, very short story.

If I took all the sex out of Between Brothers, I could probably fit the remaining story on a postage stamp.

quickWit · Dec 10, 2009

Hi. I just followed Peach in here. I thought it was a support group for woefully misguided Scottish broads and figured I'd score, and stuff.

Actually I'm new to this neck of the woods myself. Just started dabbling in the deep end of the erotica pool. Soon I hope to take off my swimmies and everything!

Nicetameetcha.

robeiae · Dec 10, 2009

I followed Quickie, then saw that Celia started this thread and I was hoping for some more pictures...

*solemnly awaits porting to landfill*

kuwisdelu · Dec 10, 2009

robeiae said:
I followed Quickie, then saw that Celia started this thread and I was hoping for some more pictures...

*solemnly awaits porting to landfill*

Crap. Now Rob knows I'm a pervert.

quickWit · Dec 10, 2009

I don't think he's that astute, kuwi.

robeiae · Dec 10, 2009

What I know now is that kuwi abandoned P&CE--for lack of time--only to show up all over Office Party and Erotica...

And Quickie...you're a stute.

thethinker42 · Dec 10, 2009

kuwisdelu said:
Crap. Now Rob knows I'm a pervert.

You're giving him WAY too much credit, Kuwi.

robeiae · Dec 10, 2009

Who said that?

scarletpeaches · Dec 10, 2009

Celia Cyanide said:
That is very interesting. I do understand completely what you mean by this. So often when I read sex scenes in novels, I'm amazed at how incredibly dull I find them to be. I end up thinking, "this should be the best part, but intead, I just want to skip over it. Why is that?" I do think that many writers do, as you say, try so hard to be explicit that they can't make the scene unique. If it were taken out, it wouldn't result in any change in plot or character development. It leaves me scratching my head, and saying, "Okay, I'm an adult, and I know how it works. You don't need to explain it to me. Okay, thanks."

Erotica has a bad reputation. It's smut, it's porn, it's hastily-written crap and its readers don't care for story; they just want to get off.

And in many cases this reputation is deserved. There is a lot of rubbish out there. Now okay, it's often said that 'bad' is subjective. But really. I promise you. I've read so much utter arse-dribble on the erotica shelves that something has to be done about it.

I've said time and time again that people have sex. It's a part of human nature. Let's not be ashamed of that.

Neither should we be ashamed of the emotions involved too - they are the very things which give the sex its colour. Lust, love, hate, jealousy, revenge, you name it. Sex without emotion is lifeless, monochromatic porn.

Who on Earth wouldn't be more entertained by the addition of emotions to make the story more electric, more human, more motivated?

thethinker42 · Dec 10, 2009

scarletpeaches said:
Erotica has a bad reputation. It's smut, it's porn, it's hastily-written crap and its readers don't care for story; they just want to get off.

And in many cases this reputation is deserved. There is a lot of rubbish out there. Now okay, it's often said that 'bad' is subjective. But really. I promise you. I've read so much utter arse-dribble on the erotica shelves that something has to be done about it.

I've said time and time again that people have sex. It's a part of human nature. Let's not be ashamed of that.

Neither should we be ashamed of the emotions involved too - they are the very things which give the sex its colour. Lust, love, hate, jealousy, revenge, you name it. Sex without emotion is lifeless, monochromatic porn.

Who on Earth wouldn't be more entertained by the addition of emotions to make the story more electric, more human, more motivated?

QFT. Erotica is held to a much lower standard. I hope to see that change.

robeiae · Dec 10, 2009

When I was younger, I use to read horror novels, because they had all the great sex scenes.

Also, I remember this one thriller--about a cargo ship loaded with a nuke, headed into NY harbor--that had awesome sex scenes. There was this large breasted native american chick--one of the bad guys--that got off pinching the guy's nipples during sex. Really, it was excellent.

I like books like that. Is that what you mean?

Celia Cyanide · Dec 10, 2009

kuwisdelu said:
Crap. Now Rob knows I'm a pervert.

What makes someone a pervert? Just posting in here?

Crap. Now Rob knows I'm a nude/erotic/fetish model.

I guess I'm pretty open about that. It just doesn't come up in conversation around P&CE as much. There is exactly one person on this board who has seen any of my fetish work, and it's not Lantern Jack.

Sorry, Rob, I can't post any pics.

Maryn · Dec 11, 2009

"What man may never see, nor woman tell..."

Maryn, rereading Harvest Home

barbilarry · Dec 12, 2009

Welcome. I came here to learn how to add more emotion to my characters. I will never leave. I constantly learn from everyone here. Slowly sometimes, but I eventually get it. tee hee!

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