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Howdy, ya'll! :)

I'm starting this thread up for any and all people who can't get enough YA, whether you write it, read it, or both. I know there's lots of you lurking out there, and we'd love to hear about what you're working on, and why you write YA!

I'd especially like to get some guys on this thread- no, I'm not being cyber-stalky, but the topic of female authors writing from a teenage male POV comes up so often, it'd be great to get a real live former teenage male's insight! (And if you're a guy writing from a teenage girl's POV, then I REALLY want you to jump in!)

So...why YA? What kind- fantasy, literary, supernatural? Do you write adult fiction too? Are your teenage characters based off yourself at that age, or who you wish you had been? Is the answer to that a resounding "hell, no!"? How do you make your teen characters realistic? Do you think YA will ever lose its rep of being squee-ish girly fodder and gain proper respect as the kick-ass genre it is? Do you have any gum?
 
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So many questions! I'm going to be cool and answer them all.

Why YA? Because I've been writing since I was a tiny little thing. Basically, my characters always tended to be 12 or 13 until I reached that age (that is, after I stopped writing with animals as the mc's), when they moved up a little, and that kept happening till my characters hit 17/18 when they just sort of stayed there. Teens are interesting and entertaining.

What kind--Mostly fantasy, though I recently branched out to sci-fi, which was very fun. I have just always loved the genres not set in the real world, I love the options it gives me!

Do I write adult fiction too--I'm going to try it. I'll let you know how it goes when it's through ;)

Are my characters based off me: haha no. Sometimes I share traits with some of them, or borrow events from my past to put in their pasts, but none of them are wholly me, or how I wished I was or anything like that. I actually think it's easier to make them realistic by NOT basing them off me. I'm sure I'd end up making them very mary sue-ish if I based them off me, because I wouldn't want to give them any of my less attractive qualities haha.

I think YA is gaining respect. I think it helps that it has gotten more popular, and amazing books like The Hunger Games are showing people that it's not all about the girlyness, it's a good genre.

Um, no. I have no gum :( And now I want some.

Oh and just read your signature, Enna, and it made me laugh (especially at the bottom)
 

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Ohhhh! The Questionnaire! lol

My WIP is fantasy/sci-fi...I didn't initially set out to do that genre, but it's something I love to read and the story that popped in my head was already set out.

I've tried adult fiction. At the moment it's pushed to the side because I'm having far too much fun with YA

My main YA character is mostly based off my little sister (16) and her gang of friends to a point. I'm a big mixing bowl character-maker. I toss in all the best and worst qualities of those around me and re-distribute them to give each character their strength, their weakness, and their uniqueness. As far as making them *unique*, I think you just have to have that solid image of who they are in your head. I go through each chpt when I'm finished, looking only at one character at a time. "Is this what so&so would say here?" "Is that a realistic action for so&so to have?" It's important not to change how the character would think/respond all for the sake of moving the plot somewhere. It has to develop organically. I think staying true to the character is what makes them realistic.

I think YA has already shed the squee-ish girly rep. The books coming out now (Hunger Games sequel anyone??!!!) Show much more than just adolescent crushes and lunch table gossip (not that there aren't good books about this too lol) But the books coming out now deal with deep issues WHILE having some serious fun.

No gum. But I have an Altoid?
 

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hi!!!

I will participate once I am back in CA in six hours... this Nevada desert is exhausting.

everyone else, come chat! "old people", teens, women, alces alces & of course, those elusive writermen.

(and I want to say absolutely no offense to other threads; we just want to talk a little more about writing & YA -- although that doesn't mean no nonsense allowed. we are full of nonsense. especially Enna. her real name is ENoNAsense.)
 

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So...why YA? Apparently I have the voice (That and I am still 17 in my head)

What kind- fantasy, literary, supernatural? Fantasy and paranormal mostly.

Do you write adult fiction too? My alter ego writes erotica.

Are your teenage characters based off yourself at that age, or who you wish you had been? I like to throw in a little kick ass what I wish I did back then into my stories. I give my MC's a lot more "don't give a shit" attitude too. But I was the cheerleader who skipped and hated school and went out at night drinking in gravel pits, so I'm more like my characters than not! LOL

How do you make your teen characters realistic? Make them act like people and not sterotypes. I basically just write and don't worry about what they sound like. As long as they are true to themselves, it works.

Do you think YA will ever lose its rep of being squee-ish girly fodder and gain proper respect as the kick-ass genre it is? I think its already is well on its way!

Do you have any gum? Sorry, don't chew gum eva.
 

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So...why YA? Because the idea for The Guardians hit me like a ton of bricks, and the voices in my head kept me up at night like I'd never experienced before. I've also been told I have the voice(I did the lovely Institute of Children's Writing), so I'm hoping that will transend into the next two Contemporary pieces I'm doing.

What kind- fantasy, literary, supernatural? My current novel out to agents can be considered Fantasy, but the two current YA's cooking will be Contemporary.


Do you write adult fiction too? Why yes I do! I currently have a Southern Literary Fiction(Think To Kill a Mockingbird, Fried Green Tomatoes, and Cold Sassy Tree) that is out to some agents and publishers.

Are your teenage characters based off yourself at that age, or who you wish you had been? Hmm, current WIP is about a seventeen year old male, and I'm pretty sure I didn't have penis envy back in the day. I think I just try to incorporate little things that may have happened to me, people I know, and the high schoolers I teach.

How do you make your teen characters realistic? I try to incorporate the issues, the fashion, the "lingo", etc, that I hear on a daily basis. I try to make characters my students would like, would think are cool, or would think are lame! I love teens, and it's my hope I'll write fiction they'll enjoy.

Do you think YA will ever lose its rep of being squee-ish girly fodder and gain proper respect as the kick-ass genre it is? I think it is on it's way to be taken seriously. I just think of how much it has exploded as a genre just since I was a teen...can I hear a woot, woo for The Baby-Sitters Club, Sweet Valley High, Fear Street, and my all time favorite, "Are You There God? It's Me Margaret" I have no qualms telling people I write YA. I think they kinda expect it since I live in the YA world most of the time.

Do you have any gum? Of course, right here in my desk!!!

BTW: We're starting a Teaser Tuesday blog roll also for adults to share snippets on their blog. We're currently organizing it, so check back. The more the merrier!!!!
 

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Hi everyone! Good to find a fresh, new thread to discuss YA writing and reading! I just wanted to drop in and say hi, even though my brain is too tired/distracted to answer your awesome questions, Enna. I'll get there! I look forward to hearing about what everyone is working on right now. I just finished my YA contemporary/mystery and and halfway throught he final edit. WooHoo! (Moosers, expect to see some pages in your inboxes this afternoon, PST!)

Cheerio! :hooray:
 

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Well, I'm adult-ish (not a teen, but don't feel mature enough to call myself an adult), but I'm obsessed with writing YA.

I'm currently working on a YA paranormal/mystery manuscript, "Shivers". I'd love to write adult fiction one day.

My main MC is Aly, who is clairvoyant. I definitely would not make any of the characters represent me because then they would be boring as hell. Plus, as much as I wish I could see the future, I can't.

I attempt to make my characters as realistic as possible by (as silly as this sounds) actually acting out the scene. If you read it out loud and the dialogue doesn't sound right, then it obviously doesn't belong, and that helps me out a lot. Plus, giving them their own quirks and a life, they...well...come to life.

Gum? Sure do, but not on my person. It's stuck in PA. :(
 

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Oh lord you guys we just drove by the worst accident... The first cop arrived just as we passed. A truck and an suv went off the desert slope & were all tangled together. aaaaugh
 

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So...why YA? It's the only thing that's still kept my interest.
What kind- fantasy, literary, supernatural? Uhmm mainstream? I don't think I'm doing much for the genre, lol. I'm revising the book I wrote at 16 that's all tomboy-best friend-unrequited love-coming of age romance.
Do you write adult fiction too? I have, nothing has stuck or kept my interest the way this little dusty manuscript has.
Are your teenage characters based off yourself at that age, or who you wish you had been? Kind of. I wrote the original when I was 16 and so it's very much me, which is why I originally wrote it...kind of like a daydream lived on paper. I always said "I want to read something where the "friend" get's the guy, not the freaking pretty girl." But in revising it, I'm making her more a mix of what I wanted to be and who I was. All superficially though...lol. I'm making her more tan.
Is the answer to that a resounding "hell, no!"? Like I said, I'm not sure I'm doing much for the genre.
How do you make your teen characters realistic? I think part of the reason I can't forget this work is becuase when I do read it I'm struck with how well I managed to really capture that akward emotional teenage thing. It makes me blush to remember those feelings, so I think it's pretty realistic. At the time my sister's passed it around their youth group after I went to college...it was a hit. (roll eyes)
Do you think YA will ever lose its rep of being squee-ish girly fodder and gain proper respect as the kick-ass genre it is? Like I said, I don't think I'm doing much for the genre. My WIP is all fluffy girly garbage that somehow I'm still drawn to. I'm drawn to that even in other people's work...I was a total girl completely hidden in baggy jeans and 70's classic rock. I routinely make my husband laugh by acting like a thirteen year old girl about my obbsessions.
Do you have any gum? In my diaper bag, would you like a peice?
 
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Oh lord you guys we just drove by the worst accident... The first cop arrived just as we passed. A truck and an suv went off the desert slope & were all tangled together. aaaaugh
Eek.
Accidents always give me such an unpleasant feeling in my stomach. I hope the people in the accident were ok, though it doesn't sound promising :(
 

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My WIP is all fluffy girly garbage that somehow I'm still drawn to. I'm drawn to that even in other people's work...

Fluffy girly garbage done with the right awkward teenage emotions definitely has a place in YA! I love it when I'm reading a book and can feel myself blush remembering having the same uncomfortable feelings as the MC

Wandergirl:
Hate that stuff. :(
 

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I'm 44 years old (male) and like a lot of people my age, YA didn't really exist as a category when I was a teenager. You read children's books, then around 13 or so you started reading adult books. The last book I took out of the junior library was Alan Garner's The Owl Service as I'd read Red Shift (out of the adult library) and particularly wanted to read it. That was prompted by the entry on Garner in the Peter Nicholls/John Clute SF Encyclopedia which I bought in early 1980, so I was fifteen. (I'd previously read Garner's Elidor when I was ten.) Other notable books from then included Judith Guest's Ordinary People - not strictly speaking a YA, but now taught in schools I believe - after seeing the film version in 1981. Another one was Ursula Le Guin's Earthsea Trilogy, which was repackaged in one volume for adult readers around the same time.

Since then, I've read YAs on and off, usually the ones that crossed over to adults - Harry Potter, His Dark Materials, The Strange Case of the Dog in the Night-Time. In the last two or three years I've been making a point to read a lot more YA if I'm going to be writing it - and I've read some terrific novels as a result. I find the best YAs very engaging and far less padded than many adult novels.

I think that YA is increasingly given a lot of respect - a watershed in the UK would be the major literary prizes that The Amber Spyglass and The Strange Case... won, against adult competition. Writers like David Almond (who may count as MG rather than YA) have rock-solid critical reputations. But the best children's and YA writers have always had adult readerships - certainly true of Garner and Le Guin and others. I don't think YA has a reputation for being "girly fodder" - not that there's anything wrong with books aimed squarely at teenage girls. Writers like Jacqueline Wilson and Louise Rennison sell by the truckload to them - and possibly cross over less than other types of YA do to adults. The more common impression I find with people unfamiliar with YA fiction is that they think it's sanitised and overtly moralistic in a very simplistic way - not true at all, as we all know. (How many times has this forum had threads asking if you can have sex and/or swear in a YA novel?)

As for me, I first wrote a YA novel by accident. I wrote a novel with two seventeen-year-old girl protagonists when I was myself seventeen. I revised it seven years later and sent it out, thinking it was just a general contemporary novel. An agent picked it up and submitted it as a teenage novel. I was very surprised by that, thinking - very naively - that it couldn't be teenage because it had sex and swearing in it. (I only had that agent for ten months - the novel got rejected, she left the company and no-one else wanted to take me on, so I lost representation.)

I do write adult fiction - my publications so far are all short fiction, with a now out-of-print collection appearing six years ago. However, I do find that I'm often writing about characters in sixth form or university (equivalent to US high school junior/senior or college) or at most early twenties - I clearly have unfinished business around those ages. Are these characters like myself? Only in the sense that every character is like some part of yourself. I may be male, but my male characters are no closer to me than my female ones are. But then in real life I have women friends I have more in common with than some men I know.

To answer your question, my late teenage years were pretty horrible actually and my self-esteem was non-existent.

The gender question I've answered at greater length in the "Writing from the Opposite Gender" thread, so I won't repeat myself too much here. I've sold fiction written first-person-female to female editors, so I guess that I haven't got it too wrong. I went to a boy's school and don't have a sister - but on the other hand in University (doing an English degree) and at work I've consistently been in an environment where there are more women than men. At present I'm one of two men in an office of fifteen people, with a female manager - so I guess a lot comes in by observation and a kind of osmosis. (I'd be a lot more wary about writing from the point of view of someone of a different race, for example.) It's an advantage here to belong to a writers' group which has always been around 50/50 female to male, so if I do get something wrong someone will tell me! As for the teenage thing, when the YA novel in my sig is ready, I'd hope that some of the teenagers in this forum would do a beta swap with me, though this won't be until much later this year. (I've already beta-ed a novel by one teenage writer here, earlier this year.)
 
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Uh...here I am. I have an erotica-writing alter-ego and I'm currently working on a (nobody shoot!) YA-vampires-at-school with a female protag. It's a little quirky and left of center, and not mainly a romance (which is the genre I've been living and breathing ever since pursuing publication).

I think my inner voice has always been YA, although my characters aren't based on me--I was pretty clueless as a teenager, and a geek before geeks developed pack instincts. I devoured anything I could find in YA back then (although it was either "Sweet Valley High" and the like, or the Big Serious Issue books (my personal fave was "anorexia" books, but I couldn't stand 'divorce' books).

As for YA gaining respect--I come from the trenches vast and deep of romance, so my idea of respect is a bit skewed. Not having to thwack somebody making 'bodice-ripper' comments is a good day in my book.
 

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I am quietly freaking out because my agent just told me she's setting up editor lunches to "stir up excitement" about my book while I complete revisions... *faints*

Eyeblink: I keep meaning to tell you that the title of the YA in your sig is absolutely intriguing.
 

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So...why YA? I think it's fun to write from a teenager's perspective. Some of the best things happen when we're teens, so why not write about it? :)

What kind- fantasy, literary, supernatural? Currently, supernatural. Although I do have it labeled as "urban fantasy".

Do you write adult fiction too? Not yet, but I will someday.

Are your teenage characters based off yourself at that age, or who you wish you had been? No, not really. My characters aren't as wild as I once was. :tongue

How do you make your teen characters realistic? I'd say the dialogue has lots to do with sounding more like a teenager, but I think the challenges they face are really important too.

Do you think YA will ever lose its rep of being squee-ish girly fodder and gain proper respect as the kick-ass genre it is? I hope so! I wish some people would recognize how great YA really is. :D

Do you have any gum? I might. How's 5 gum sound?
 

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Hey, lots of new people!

eyeblink, lemonhead, jensoko, MoonDaughter....:welcome:

Originally Posted by wandergirl:
(especially Enna. her real name is ENoNAsense.)

What now? I am dead serious 100% of the time.:tongue

Juneluv12- I loved Cold Sassy Tree!! Are your YA books "southern" too? The Tuesday Teaser idea sounds awesome, I'd love to be a part of that!

jensoko and YAwriter72- so you double as erotic writers! Can I ask- are your YA books pretty gritty? I mean, does the erotica...spill over? (Okay, that sounds nasty. But you know what I mean.)

eyeblink...I never even thought about The Strange Case being YA...that book was brilliant, I loved it. And if your late teenage years were horrible and you had low self-esteem, that should make your characters all the more realistic! My self-esteem was pretty much zilch at that age too.

wandergirl: stirring up excitement indeed. WOOOO!!!!:snoopy:

I started an adult supernatural thriller a few months ago then set it aside, and lately it's been mulling around in my head and slowly turning YA. The MC was about 20 to begin with, so I guess it was already pretty close. Apparently, I just really want to write about teenagers.
 

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Enna....I just noticed your I Twote Something link....ROFL.

Wandergirl: that's exciting!!!

Rebecca: That reminds me....Can someone explain what would differentiate Sci-fi/ Fantasy/ Urban Fantasy? I'm at a loss for exactly what mine is and how to label it for querying.
 

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Hey, lots of new people!

jensoko and YAwriter72- so you double as erotic writers! Can I ask- are your YA books pretty gritty? I mean, does the erotica...spill over? (Okay, that sounds nasty. But you know what I mean.)
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My debut YA is pretty tame, there is some hot kissing but thats it. The language is all implied. Its fun and quirky and I liked writing it. The book my agent has right now is gritty. She's 16. lives in the Bronx, snorts coke, has sex, swears like a sailor.

I have not had the urge to encourage my characters to have on screen sex though. When Merci and the guy do it, it fades to black after he takes her clothes off.

I save all the hot n heavy for my erotica persona. And erm....she gets REALLY naughty!! I guess it purges the need for sex for me so I can write the YA too! LOL (SO only one time did I try workin gon both at once. Umm yeah, my YA characters kept ending up in the sack...LOL)

My newest book I'm not sure yet. Its darker too, but I am just getting to know the characters, so I don't know if they are sex starved maniacs or not. ;)
 

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Enna....I just noticed your I Twote Something link....ROFL.

Wandergirl: that's exciting!!!

Rebecca: That reminds me....Can someone explain what would differentiate Sci-fi/ Fantasy/ Urban Fantasy? I'm at a loss for exactly what mine is and how to label it for querying.



Taken from Wiki: Urban fantasy is a subset of contemporary fantasy, consisting of magical novels and stories set in contemporary, real-world, urban settings--as opposed to 'traditional' fantasy set in wholly imaginary landscapes, even ones containing imaginary cities, or having most of their action take place in them.

Science fiction is largely based on writing entertainingly and rationally about alternate possibilities in settings that are contrary to known reality.
 

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(SO only one time did I try workin gon both at once. Umm yeah, my YA characters kept ending up in the sack...LOL)

LMAO!!! That's too funny!

Indus....hehehe, I stole the, um, third form of "tweet" from Stephen Colbert. "I am known to twat from time to time." He cracks me up!

Rebecca's right- wiki has great breakdowns of those genres. Sci-fi relies on science, gadgets, advanced technology based on what we already have. Fantasy is more magic. Urban fantasy is set in the modern day- maybe witches and elves and stuff, but living in, say, NYC, and more gritty. And the term urban sci-fi is getting more popular- I've heard Hunger Games classified that way.
 

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Stephen Colbert=my hero...no seriously. I think he's incredible.

Okay...me thinks mine will fall into Urban Fantasy. Which makes me happy. It just sounds so hip.
"Hi! My name's Amanda. I'm writing an Urban Fantasy."
much better than:
"Uhh. Yeah it's kinda like this sci-fi but not really sci-fi...you'll just have to read it."

Thanks for the clear up :)
 
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Stephen Colbert=my hero...no seriously. I think he's incredible.

Okay...me thinks mine will fall into Urban Fantasy. Which makes me happy. It just sounds so hip.
"Hi! My name's Amanda. I'm writing an Urban Fantasy."
much better than:
"Uhh. Yeah it's kinda like this sci-fi but not really sci-fi...you'll just have to read it."

Thanks for the clear up :)


No prob! Mine's urban fantasy too. :)
 
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