Eragon - but seriously - why the success?

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Joking aside, why is this book so successful?

Yes it's shot full of issues with world building, plot, cliche etc etc. But people I know who read for pleasure love it.
 

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If I knew why, those people you know would probably be reading my book now.. :D

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I honestly don't know but would love to find out what other people think. While it has no appeal for me, it's a very successful book, so obviously there are lots of people who do find it appealing and enjoyable. I'll be interested to see any explanations.
 

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I am a fantasy fan, read it since childhood and i am now on the wrong side of 45. I have to say that this is a novel that has NEVER appeald to me. I have tried to read it on several ocasions and have given up. Yet other people I know who do not read as much fantasy as I do LOVE it. I guess its all a matter of taste, i have some and they don't.
 

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Everyone needs an entry level novel. This is one of them. It has themes and plot elements that younger readers may not have seen.

Many readers accidentally read something that wakens their thirst for Fantasy, and move on to greater and more complex stories. Others are content with putting their toes in the water, and Eragon fills that niche for the casual genre reader as well.

I can't understand how those who are deeply read in the genre would find it too appealing and not repetitive. Maybe it's a break from the current trend of dark and realistic fantasy and hearkening back to simpler stories.

For me - I never picked it up. I don't think I could even learn something as an author by analyzing Eragon's success. I have other ways to waste my time not writing.
 

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The Paolini's are VERY good at marketing.

Didn't he spend a year or so just going round High Schools flogging it? ( Much as JK Rowling did with Harry Potter - she did readings at every school who'd have her) Some people are not going to see the cliches because they haven't read much fantasy, and those are the people who loved it and recced it to their friends and relations

I already have two school talks ( and four signings at various other places) lined up for when my print is released ;)
 

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It's all about the marketing. Paolini' really whored it up about his age, and his publishers were all over that shit. In reality eragon is probably more derivative than most fanfiction I've read.
 

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Isn't it obvious? Meyer's work is so great because she wrote about sparkly abusive vampire boyfriends.
 

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Oh, wait, that's over now.

Take McCaffrey, Lucas, and Tolkien. In a large pot, mix together their worst (yet most popular?) elements. Add chicken stock. Spice liberally with extensive advertisement and connections in the industry. Heat covered over low for years. Mmm, crowd-pleasing cliche soup!

('Course, being a writer, I object to that.)
 
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Actually, I think Potter opened the door, Eragon walked in followed by Twilight. They are easy books for a population that wasn't reading as much. None of them are brilliant, none of them were horrid, just OK. So, for the lots and lots of folks that hadn't picked up a book in twenty years, or ever, they were accessible stories.
 

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I think most readers are teenagers. I recall the first weekend the latest book was released, and I went to the fencing club, and the floor of the prep area was, as usual, strewn with the bags and other effects of the youth class, I saw five, count them, five big thick copies of Brisingr. And thats just the ones who opted to bring their copies along with them to fencing class.

Teenagers are well known to have no taste, and to simply go with the crowd. I know, I was a tasteless teenager once. And don't think that I'm knocking them; for them its not so much about quality, but more about a shared cultural experience, a collective identity. I wouldn't be surprised if it had something to do with some kind of involuntary social programming, designed to help youths bond and form a cultural identity that will sustain them through adulthood. If only they would do that with a good book.
 

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What I find interesting about Paolini (and Meyer, and Rowling) is that I've never seen a teenager reading the books. It's always middle-aged or older women--most of whom either don't have children or whose children are adults.

When I've asked them about why they're reading and enjoying the series, their answer was simple yet very revealing: "I'm not really into this magical stuff, but this is easy to follow, easy to read and it's kinda fun." "Takes me back to my childhood pretending games/teen daydreams."

These aren't writers, they're readers. They want something that will fill their time on the commute, waiting for appointments, whatever that's a fast read, not hard to comprehend and slightly different from the norm. It doesn't have much, if anything, to do with their ability to distinguish between "good" and "bad" writing--most of them I've talked to really don't care about all the things we writers angst about. (When I've asked, even the highly educated professionals have said that's the LEAST important thing about anything they read for fun.) All they want is a good story, easy to read, that can make them not think about the office, the economy, their kids, the laundry/housework, etc.

Having read the books myself, I can totally see where Paolini (and the others) hit these marks with a vengeance and make it really big. I may or may not like them personally, but they give readers what readers want and they have success. It's just really galling for me, and I think most writers, to see where the line for that level of success really lies since it so contradicts everything we're want to believe.
 

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I object to this putting J.K. Rowling in the same bag as that sparkly lady and the child. I mean, really.
 

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I object to this putting J.K. Rowling in the same bag as that sparkly lady and the child. I mean, really.

She's only there because of the high success of her books and the fact that she's regularly panned by (IMO jealous) writers--just like the other two. Nothing personal.
 

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I haven't read the book, so I can't comment on it specifically, but I can comment on the 'cliche' issue with fantasy. I see many people roll their eyes as soon as they see any new book with another elf, dwarf, dragon, etc. in it. To me they are underestimating the large number of fantasy fans who actually enjoy the cliches that grew out of our old fairy tales. I am one of them and I don't apologize for it. I have no interest in seeing a fantasy book about some new kind of made-up monster; I want more trolls and dragons and wizards. It's what I love, and I don't believe I am the only one. I do wish more such books would be well written, though.
 

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These aren't writers, they're readers. They want something that will fill their time on the commute, waiting for appointments, whatever that's a fast read, not hard to comprehend and slightly different from the norm. It doesn't have much, if anything, to do with their ability to distinguish between "good" and "bad" writing--most of them I've talked to really don't care about all the things we writers angst about. (When I've asked, even the highly educated professionals have said that's the LEAST important thing about anything they read for fun.) All they want is a good story, easy to read, that can make them not think about the office, the economy, their kids, the laundry/housework, etc.

I find that very disheartening, but probably very close to the mark... :(

I mean I can understand it, but it makes me go, 'Am I trying too hard??' and 'Should I just forget about all these dos and don'ts??'

Even if the answer is yes or it depends, I still understand it. I'm just saying is all.. :p

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Btw, I don't even have a problem with cliches. And I haven't read the book. But I did pick it up in a bookshop once (after I saw the movie), read several random pages, and went, 'What the... Is this really the book that everyone seems to be talking about?'

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I read it becasue I was intrigued by another teenage writer. I didn't mind the first (though it read like, well, a teenage writer). So I read Eldest. I hated it. Then I joined Anti-Shurtugal, and I had to read Brisingr because being an anti-fan involves reading the books just as much as being a fan.

So yeah, that's my appeal.
 

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I don't think it matters, because I don't care to read it. What does matter to me is that the success of Eragon makes dozens of other niche books possible, and that makes me happy.

You go, Paolini! Make the publisher's a fortune so they can buy good books for the rest of us!
 

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Joking aside, why is this book so successful?

Yes it's shot full of issues with world building, plot, cliche etc etc. But people I know who read for pleasure love it.


Doesn't your 3rd sentence answer the question?
 

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Sometimes author persistence is everything.

However, I don't think anyone should ever lump J.K. Rowling with Meyer and Paolini. Jo Rowling is a great writer, and certainly deserves respect for her works.

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Joking aside, why is this book so successful?

Yes it's shot full of issues with world building, plot, cliche etc etc. But people I know who read for pleasure love it.

The kid who wrote it was very young (15? I think?) and he self-published. He also traveled around the country with his family to public schools and libraries, I hear, in order to self-promote. I think the fact that he was so young and so determined provided a role-model for children and adults were impressed with his ambition for a guy so young. That's my take on it, anyway. (Just my opinion, btw)
 

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Sometimes author persistence is everything.

However, I don't think anyone should ever lump J.K. Rowling with Meyer and Paolini. Jo Rowling is a great writer, and certainly deserves respect for her works.

-Travis

Really?

Rowling is no better a writer than either of them, IMO. All three write entertaining stories that work for their core audience.
 
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I didn't mind Eragon when I read it, and I read Eldest, too. And now I take great joy in reading the sporkings. I plan to get around to Brisingr eventually, as well. Somewhat for reasons similar to MS. I think the books really didn't deserve to get published, but I can easily understand why they were.

I spend half the time it takes me to read the latest SM Sterling book laughing about how atrocious some of the elements are, too, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy reading it. I would never put Eragon on even my top thousand favorite books list, but it is in fact possible to enjoy reading something that isn't (even close to) perfect. I always laugh when I hear people make the comment about how they won't read "trash" because they'll never even finish the "good stuff".
 
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