The Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss

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First, the good stuff. Rothfuss has solid line-level writing skills. His worldbuilding is adequate, and his system of magic good. He understands the concept of using conflict and tension to drive story. He knows how to trickle interesting details to the reader. Thus, Rothfuss has succeeded at producing a readable novel.

I say that because the remainder of this review will make you think this is the worst book ever written, which it isn’t. Since I think we as writers learn best from mistakes, I’m going to focus on the novel’s flaws.

The novel’s greatest shortcoming is structural. Rothfuss chooses to intertwine two stories about the same protagonist, each occurring at a different time and written in a different style. The novel opens with a reasonably entertaining tale about a retired fantasy hero named Kvothe, whom an old wizard must convince to come out of retirement to help out with a demon war or something. Unfortunately, Rothfuss repeatedly interrupts this story with lengthy digressions into the hero’s backstory, beginning with childhood and eventually progressing to mid-adolescence. Worse, Kvothe’s backstory seems to be irrelevant to the primary story. Imagine reading a novel where a fantasy-style prolog consumes every other chapter. No justification for this structure appears in the novel. Later novels in the series may explain why Kvothe’s past matters, but I wouldn’t bet on that.

Really, Rothfuss should’ve spent more time on the “present.” This may happen later in the series, after the backstory finally comes to a close.

Kvothe is, by the way, a Marty Stu turned up to eleven (on a one-to-ten scale). He’s book-smart, an impossibly quick learner, beautiful, extraordinarily strong in magic, and talented in many forms of artistic expression. Rothfuss doesn’t hesitate to beat you over the head with his hero’s near-perfection. Other than a smidgeon of arrogance, Kvothe’s only plot-relevant flaw is his naivete, which is often frustrating rather than endearing. For example, this naivete may be the only reason he doesn’t have sex with the many young women who blatantly express interest in him. He lacks the wisdom to use any of his vast selection of skills to propel himself from poverty.

Backing up for a moment, the cliché storm appears in full force when a group of demons kills his parents and destroys his village. Cue the revenge plot. Now, I’m going to touch on a few of my major complaints.

What do gifted young magicians do in this fictional world? Why, they go to Hogwarts. I mean, The University. Sorry. After Kvothe earns admission to wizardry school with his astounding brilliance, Rothfuss introduces us to characters Master Severus Hemme and Ambrose Malfoy. Oops, I think I got the names wrong. Oh well. I bet you can guess what happens during these chapters.

Kvothe even has a love interest. Her name is . . . actually, I’m not sure what her name is. She calls herself many names, all of which begin with the letter D, and I don’t think she ever makes it clear which is her real name. That probably tells you all you need to know about her, but I’m not that merciful. Love Interest D spends the novel either stringing Kvothe along or believing he’s gay. I’m not sure which. You have to read it to see what I mean. She’s terribly cruel to him in any case, but he puts up with it.

Hey, whatever happened to those demons that killed Kvothe’s parents? Hell if I know. They don’t make another appearance in the novel. The closest Kvothe ever gets is the aftermath of another of their crimes.

Instead, Rothfuss treats us to a little subplot about a mundane dragon (draccus) hopped up on hallucinogenic tree sap. The story was nice enough, but it isn’t immediately relevant to anything else that has happened in the novel. I have a suspicion something about the draccus will matter to the resolution of the conflict with the demons, but that’s pure speculation on my part.

Ultimately, Rothfuss ties up no story threads. He provides no satisfaction. This is absolutely not a standalone work. Then the novel simply ends with a faux-artistic bit, a counterpart to the opening.

Tender, loving care from an editor with a delete key and/or a red pen could’ve saved this book. Sadly, Rothfuss doesn’t give much reason to pick up the second book. He has his mechanics down pat, but his storytelling needs some help. In time, I believe he can mature into a good writer.

Oh gods, this review was delightfully satisfying to write. Honestly, it was. Rothfuss obviously did something correctly if I was willing to type all this out.
 

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Thank you so much.

You summed up exactly what was bugging me about this book.

This is my own biased, subjective view, but I can't see why people love this so much.
 

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Glad to find another kindred spirit out there.

I'd still recommend it for the f/sf book study, just so people can learn what not to do.
 

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The University isn't anything like Hogwart's. Please.

For myself, the problem with this book is the love story aspect. I just can't like Kvothe's special lady for some reason. Also the main storyline goes completely off the rails at one point. I think SPMiller puts it about right..."Kvothe even has a love interest. Her name is . . . actually, I’m not sure what her name is. She calls herself many names, all of which begin with the letter D, and I don’t think she ever makes it clear which is her real name. That probably tells you all you need to know about her, but I’m not that merciful. Love Interest D spends the novel either stringing Kvothe along or believing he’s gay. I’m not sure which. You have to read it to see what I mean. She’s terribly cruel to him in any case, but he puts up with it.

Hey, whatever happened to those demons that killed Kvothe’s parents? Hell if I know. They don’t make another appearance in the novel. The closest Kvothe ever gets is the aftermath of another of their crimes.

Instead, Rothfuss treats us to a little subplot about a mundane dragon (draccus) hopped up on hallucinogenic tree sap. The story was nice enough, but it isn’t immediately relevant to anything else that has happened in the novel. I have a suspicion something about the draccus will matter to the resolution of the conflict with the demons, but that’s pure speculation on my part."


Yeah.
 

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I think Orson Scott Card said he was the future of Fantasy. Waaah? I couldn't get any further than fifty pages. Utter pointless and confusing drivel up to that point. I think the position as the future of Fantasy is still be open.
I would love to write down all the things that annoyed me about those first fifty pages but I can't remember them any more. All I know is that I will not reread them, not for any reason. :D
 

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I agree with the structural criticism. I wanted it to be more of stand-alone story too. That's a problem far too may fantasy novels have in our world of the endless series. Having said that, what I really liked about the novel was Rothfuss's style. You've cited some clichés that are content related, but his style was quite poetic. I was drawn into this story--something that I experience less often than I'd like in a genre that is growing increasingly pretentious and convoluted. I was also drawn to his main character; Kvothe was real to me. Yes, the back story took the reader away from the initial crisis, but the journey was well written and interesting. I'll buy the next novel.
 

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I loved this book.

I don't disagree about the assessment, but I thought he told a great story, has an irresistable narrative voice and hooked me almost from the beginning. From a reader who has had trouble immersing themselves in a book due to the amount of editing I've been doing on my own work, and the fact that I avoid epic fantasy as a rule due to overwhelming minutiae in world-building, I could not put this down.

Are there some things I'd like to change? Sure. But it's not my book, and even though I saw the flaws, it was emminently readable and enjoyable.

I can't wait for the next one.
 

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Rothfuss has solid line-level writing skills

Musical line-level writing, in my opinion.

My take is that the back-story is about self-mythologizing (almost purely according to Frye: the structure is more episodic than not). We hear that Kvothe is a legend, but we hear it from Kvothe. We hear the "reality" behind the legends, but again, we hear it from Kvothe. What I expect to happen, and this is just me, is for Kvothe's back-story to catch up to the time of narration (what we in the business call "narrative shipwreck"); the "hero" of our story may or may not be a real hero. We don't really know. There are suggestions he himself is demonic. And, for example, the series is called "Kingkiller" Chronicle or something like that.

I was personally bored (and moderately offended) by the repetitive catch-release program between Kvothe and D. Likewise the draccus was not really entertaining to me after such beautifully wrought scenes as those in that bar ("that bar", the one where he earns the silver pipes despite a string snapping) and after the fine observation of men in cuddly homosocial situations (one of or the only present-tense chapter). No. It seemed stupid in fact.

The framing story, including the beginning and end seems to work fine, for now. It leaves me asking the question: If your life was so amazing, so heroic... why is it you want to die?

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Spoiler of sorts question below....
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Should we assume Ambrose will become King? Or is that just what evil Rothfuss wants us to assume?
 

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It's hard to say, in my opinion. I agree that Rothfuss could be setting up reader expectations just to smash them.

Consider, for example, the possibility that D doesn't turn out to be Kvothe's love, but rather the girl who lives under The University. After all, D's such a bitch. The reader would get behind such a shift in interest.

Or maybe--just maybe--Rothfuss could write a hot hot menage-a-trois. Who's with me? I can already think of several interesting applications of sympathy magic.

Oh! And AMC, note that legends often contain grains of truth. It's clear that Kvothe is savant-level intelligent, given his demonstration of his ability to learn the wizard's shorthand. I'm inclined to believe the general impression he gives of himself, if not necessarily the specific details...
 
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I'm inclined to believe him as well; I have no other source of information about him. It would be utterly useless to not believe anything he says. Remember too that he's supposedly giving us that "grain of truth" in the first place; that doesn't mean he's immune to self-mythologizing. Perhaps the opposite: he believes in one truth, we get an ego-centric representation of that one truth. Modernist writers and critics (at least) called this grotesque!

I'm just being hopeful that Rothfuss takes advantage of, in some way, what he's given possibility. He's poured a foundation - and, since he hasn't written a stand-alone novel, we'll just have to wait to see if the house stands.

AMC
 

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Technically, Bast--whose name and mannerisms remind me of the Egyptian goddess--leaks a few things, but they could just as easily be lies.
 

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So that was why the book was irritating me...
I musn't have minded that much, since I finished the book, but I wouldn't get the sequel(s).
I can't remember much of the storyline at all. Ambrose? Kvothe was handsome? What?
Still, I don't feel like going back and re-reading it to refresh my memory.
 
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I got this book out of the library today.

Once I've read it, I shall return and give my final word verdict on it.

scarletpeaches has spoken.
 

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Hello,

Just finished the first novel published by Patrick Rothfuss and ... I am blown away. I haven't seen a fantasy novel executed with such finesse since I read The Fellowship of the Ring. Not to compare the two, of course. You can't really do that. Apples to oranges and all.

At a little over 800 pages, it's a pretty long paperback, but it felt lighter than many (*cough* Brandon Sanderson) authors I've tried to read lately. The feudal fantasy depicts the rise of a super-genius hero with a fair knowledge of physics. Rothfuss has a knack for using stirring visual language to evoke sense and emotion from the nonsensical. The novel goes in a few tropey directions (all the named women are beautiful, interpersonal relationships are usually confrontational and awkward, etc.), but manages to execute with aplomb. Just don't expect any of the characters to act too grown up.

tl;dr: Recommended if you like "bildungsroman" about strong male fantasy characters, and have a poetic, musical, romantic, or scientific flair.

Just ordered the sequel, "Wise Man's Fear" from half. Looking forward to devouring it. Anyone from AW read further into the series yet? How do you like it?
 
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I've actually been looking into this one, namely because Brandon Sanderson went into a lot of praise for it in one of his lectures that I watch. I only found it in hardcover at my local bookstore though, and it's a pretty big hardcover -- I want it to read on the bus, not to read in bed. I'll have to go to a bigger bookstore with a legitimate Fantasy section (and not just a few shelves) to find the paperback, I guess. But glad to hear more recommendations for it!
 

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I thought it was pretty good too :) I've read its sequel, The Wise Man's Fear, and I'm looking forward to the next one. He has a way of making everything interesting, and there's some beautiful writing in there too (I recently stumbled across a blog where someone listed their favourite quotes, but I can't remember what the blog was called). I just wonder how big The Doors of Stone will have to be to wrap up everything that's been introduced in these two books :D But The Wise Man's Fear was ginormous, so I won't be surprised if The Doors of Stone tops it. Actually, I'm expecting it :)
 

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Wise Man's Fear is good. It is pretty similar to the first one in style. We learn some more about Kvothe and he goes on some interesting jaunts in this one.

My only complaint is that there are too many Mary Sues in the book. Everyone who sees Kvothe falls in love with him. All the women want to hump him and all the men want to be him.

Also there is a major time skip in the book on his journey that I am not sure with which I agree.

But reallly, those are small things and it is definintely worth your time and investment to read.
 

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I've read both. They're...like 4/5 stars for me, not the best novels I've read, but pretty good. I don't like the framing device of the inn and the flashbacks, and if that doesn't pay off in Some Big Way very soon, I'm going to be hurling them across the room with great force.

On the other hand, I'm old, I read a lot, and I've seen a lot of books, and I've never seen anyone do a better job at penning folk songs that fit his world. A++ on that.

And I'll never ever be able to write that many words about one topic or character, so I always admire when a writer can sustain that sort of wordage
 

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Not one of my favorite novels, but it's good enough that I'm surprised it didn't make a bigger splash.
 

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oh my gosh

How do you get a first novel published at 800 pages? That's beyond believe to me. We've been told 130K is a deal breaker. Can a query be that good? Must have a heck of a first chapter.
 

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I loved the first book -- standard-issue epic fantasy but with all the tropes being delightfully subverted.

I liked the second book, but Kvothe went from "Mary Sue-averting unreliable narrator" to straight-up Mary Sue. There were some seriously eye-rolling parts. (FELURIAN! And the ninjas who believe humans reproduce via parthenogenesis. :rolleyes:) But it was still good.
 

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Name of the Wind is one of my favorite books(probably top 5.) It's the perfect combination of so many aspects(e.g; story telling, characters, humor, etc) and not a word is wasted(even with the length of the book.)

I read it last year and discovered that Rothfuss worked on it for something like 14 years(if I remember correctly) and it shows. I like Wise Man's Fear as well but it wasn't as tight IMO as NotW(felt the book could've been cut 200+ pages and not lost much.) Still, I plan on re-reading both of them sometime next year. I can't wait for The Doors of Stone.
 

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How do you get a first novel published at 800 pages? That's beyond believe to me. We've been told 130K is a deal breaker. Can a query be that good? Must have a heck of a first chapter.

If an agent and an editor believe the book will turn a good profit, length goes out the window. But the longer the book, the better and more more marketable it has to be. This is hardly the first time such a long novel has been bought from a first time writer.

The only deal breaker is a novel the publisher doesn't believe will earn a good profit at a given length.