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NeuroFizz

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Hi, All,

I’d like to start a discussion on protagonists who smoke cigarettes. I am disturbed by the fiction/Hollywood portrayal of smoking as cool, manly, sophisticated, etc. This problem may be more Hollywood than anything else, but written fiction drives the movie industry.

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DISCLAIMER. I am talking about fictional characters who smoke. I’m not judgmental about writers who may smoke, so nothing I say here is directed at the writer. I’ve read a previous thread on physical manifestations of smoking, so I know there are a significant number of smokers who read/chime in here. This is not aimed at you.

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I’m not against cigarettes in our stories. We have to be real. But, we all bear a responsibility here as well. My main objection is that smoking has become entrenched in the characterization of so many of our fictional heroes, we may be perpetuating, unwittingly, the portrayals above, particularly for our younger readers*. In terms of habit-based reactions to stressful situations, interesting substitutes can be found (from a characterization point-of-view). For oral fixators, Kojak and his lollipops come to mind.

I am not a crusader against smoking. This is not personal. But I stop dead when reading about a sympathetic character/protagonist/hero who is handsome (pretty) and athletic (fit) and proceeds to light up a cigarette. Are some smokers athletic and fit? Of course. But there is no positive correlation. In fact, I believe there is a strong negative correlation. Here’s my objection: Cigarettes are useful props, and have their places in stories, but they are also overused to the point of being cliché. How many hardboiled detectives have a cigarettes hanging from the sides of their mouths? Are the cigarettes necessary to the character, or just a perceived characteristic of the occupation? I ask everyone to find a good story-based reason before having a character smoke. And make it real. If one is striving for reality, he/she should not only have a character light up at the conclusion of a mop-and-bucket sex scene, but also have the character’s partner awakened the next morning by the sounds of the character hawking up a tar-stained loogie in the bathroom (In know, I know. Both are stereotypes, but they are included to make a point).

To be really controversial, I’ll suggest that using cigarettes CAN BE like using any other cliché—lazy writing. Not in all circumstances, or course, so don’t come unglued. However, including cigarettes in our writing shouldn’t be automatic—it should be well thought out. Remember, for characterization’s sake, smoking is an addictive, self-destructive habit. It will serve many writers well in that vein. By the way, if you want to add a layer of tension and a serious subplot to a detective series, write a story with the protagonist attempting to give up a smoking habit.



Mount and ride.



*I am aware that writing about serial killers isn’t going to drive a reader to go out and kill, but the perception of “coolness” and the imitation of celebrities and movie characters is a real, powerful problem for everyone in our culture, particularly for younger people.
 

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Ummm. My characters tell me whether or not they smoke. It's as simple as that. I don't smoke...I detest it and I am so glad it is no longer allowed in public places...but some of my characters smoke. I don't make the decision though, it sort of comes out in the story. I don't think people should take the time to consider something like this...and neither do I see it as a cliche. My characters who smoke wouldn't be the same if they didn't. I don't think that I am promoting smoking by having characters smoke. It's really a non-issue.
 

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NeuroFizz said:
I ask everyone to find a good story-based reason before having a character smoke.
Historically, there was a writing-based reason. Having characters handle cigarettes enabled writers to manage dialogue scenes without using so many repetitive speech tags. Fictional detectives were always lighting cigarettes and extinguishing cigarettes so you wouldn't have to read "____ said" again, like this:

"I counted the money twice." Smith lit a cigarette.

Now that smoking makes a character a bad role model, he can fidget or look out the window or do something else to let the reader know who's talking.
 

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Hey Neuro,

You've made some very good and interesting points. I started the smoking thread in the research board which I'm assuming you were referencing early in your post.

To be completely simplistic about why I chose a smoking protagonist: smoking is imperfect, and so is she. Outwardly, that seems to be a very cliched way of going about it, as there are numerous other ways to emit imperfection. But in this instance, smoking shows a vast amount of things about her personality and gives her more emotional detail, all of things I'm not going to relate here for novel privacy. (And also because even though the WIP draft is done, these smoking scenes are new additions and are as of now mostly unwritten.)

The fact she smokes reflects on other people as well as herself. What are the values of those around her who don't smoke? Who do? Who ask her to quit? (There are many.) Who casually light up with her at a late night at the bar? Will she quit for those who care about her? If she doesn't, will they leave her?

I could go on. Anyway, I've found reason to believe it works. I hope it does. These are just the casualities of any generic smoking protag. Very important to my pages are the actual reason the protag picks up the smokes in the first place, why she's addicted, but all of these questions and little details help revolve the story in a very different way.

Anyway, that's just my two cents.
 

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It also depends on the story. I've written some that featured smokers as main characters and one that required a main character be a smoker. However, I've also written some that feature absolutely no smoking simply because it's not present in their worlds as a product or plant.
 

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In a society that has decided it must be politically correct, sometimes a writer must alter course to concur. I tend to make my protagonists non-smokers unless they need to be a smoker to help show that they are a compulsive person or obsessive or whatever. Not that I'm saying smokers are these things. I'm a smoker, smoking less and less each day. Still, usually my smokers in my books and stories are bad guys, and cigarettes are rarely used overall. That's just me. Ultimately, I agree that not only must we be careful because of the message sent, but also, some publishers might frown if they are opposed to smoking heroes.
 

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I think it depends on the book and the character. I doubt I'd have a smoking protagonist in a romance novel, but I think we have as much a responsibility to portraying the world as it really is as we have to influencing young people.

And to be honest, many of the things I see protagonists do without a second thought strike me as just as self-destructive as smoking, and often considerably more so.

I don't like political correctness of any form, and I'm not about to automatically make a smoker a shallow chested, self-destructive person who constantly hacks and coughs, any more than I'm going to make everyone who takes a drink in a story an alcoholic who cheats, lies, and steals to get his next drink. I've known far too many smokers who simply do not fit this profile.

And not all smokers are trying to quit, or even want to quit. Many love to smoke, and so do their mates/friends/relatives.

Few things drive me crazier than trying to read a novel where only the bad guys smoke. That ain't the real world, folks. It especiallly drives me crazy when the good guy doesn't smoke, but he drinks, sleeps around, cusses, takes foolish chances with his life, and does a dozen other things I'd rather my kids not do. In real life, most men who live like this also smoke. If not cigarettes, then cigars, or pipes. Or they dip snuff. High stress lifestyles tend to produce a far higher percentage of smokers.

There are at least 47,000,000 smokers in the United States alone, and not all of them are bad guys. The true number is probably closer to 57,000,000. UIt's a mazing how many pro athletes are closet smokers. Be true to the characters and to the real world. Just tell a story filled with real people, and leave the judgements up to others.
 

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Let's see... Winston Churchill smoked cigars; FDR smoked cigarets; Hitler couldn't stand smoking and in fact one of the first government anti-smoking programs was initiated by the Third Reich....

Mr. NeuroFizz, :crazy: , kindly go sit on a tack. :)
 
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I am a smoker. My lead 'hero' just stopped smoking and several times makes reference to the fact that ...."a cigarette would sure taste good about right now"....or.....something along those lines. I have made him share that quitting was the hardest thing he has ever done.

My story has a couple of other smokers...one a cigar... but only for evidence reasons is it made known.

Let your story go where it leads you and realize that some of their other 'habits' may not be very pleasing either. IMO...:popcorn:
 

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My main character drinks heavily from time to time...sometimes I can use it to advance the plot...and as someone mentioned, it's make the character appear less than perfect.
 

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Most of my stories are SF set in a future where smoking is much less common than it is today. One novel is set on a world where the effects of tobacco haven't been discovered by the natives, and the people who do know about it aren't going to tell them until they find out themselves...

That said, if I did have a major character who smoked, I feel it would have to be important to the story line. They'd probably be addicted to the point where it actually became a problem for them: perhaps they _always_ smoke in stressful situations, and then one comes along where for some reason they can't, and they suddenly can't concentrate on what's happening. Or they're trying to hide, but one of the bad guys notices the odour of cigarette smoke hanging around. Or something like that. Any new ways of causing trouble for the hero are most welcome. :)
 

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It especiallly drives me crazy when the good guy doesn't smoke, but he drinks, sleeps around, cusses, takes foolish chances with his life, and does a dozen other things I'd rather my kids not do. In real life, most men who live like this also smoke.

Really? I know a fair number of people who match this description. Fewer smoke than don't.
 

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So what ya'll are sayin' is habits of characters need to be used at discretion, but not necessarily bent at the whim of society. In short, if it helps the reader understand the character, and it advances the story, use it. If it don't, don't.
 

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Hmm. I have a hard time picturing a WWII-era novel without a bunch of smoking characters...
 

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Hmm. I have a hard time picturing a WWII-era novel without a bunch of smoking characters...
Good point. Research the era, the geography, and decide from there if smokers are appropriate. You want it to be as close to real life as possible, unless you're a SF or Fantasy writer, I suppose.
 

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People in certain professions tend to smoke more as well. (By more, I guess I mean a higher percentage of those in those fields smoke). Just to name a few:

1. police officers/detectives (already mentioned Reph's post)
2. firefighers
3. EMT/Paramedics
4. ER Nurses (at least where I live)
5. Criminal Defense Attornies (I don't know about other types)
6. private investigators

Those are just a few that I can think of off the top of my head. If you have a protagonist who works in one of these fields, and they smoke, then IMHO, they would be a more believable character.

But that's just my .08 cents worth.

Brady H.
 

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One of my main characters is a private eye, but he's from the south, so rather than have him smoke, I have him chewing tobacco every once in a while. It depends on how you want the reader to perceive the character, and smoking may say one thing, but combined with other traits it might say something totally different about your character.
 

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Have you ever gone to the back kitchen at a diner? ;)

Or the back lot of a movie set?

Bottomline, if your character is a smoker, for cryin' out loud, let him smoke. If you have to be so PC about everything (no smoking? no drinking? no drugs? no sex? ...) write a children's or Christian or something everyone is so squeaky clean.

My characters are going to have a joint right now...
 

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maestrowork said:
Have you ever gone to the back kitchen at a diner? ;)

Or the back lot of a movie set?

Bottomline, if your character is a smoker, for cryin' out loud, let him smoke. If you have to be so PC about everything (no smoking? no drinking? no drugs? no sex? ...) write a children's or Christian or something everyone is so squeaky clean.

My characters are going to have a joint right now...
I agree, but it also depends on the audience your targeting. Hell, whatever works. I don't care. Ultimately, it's up the writer and the perceptions the writer desires.

My characters' not sure if the good life is good for him, so he toils with habits, justifying them and berating them simultaneously.
 

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When I was working on Mad World, my male protagonist casually struck a match and lit a ciggie in the opening chapter, and I knew right then he was a smoker. I didn't plan it that way. I didn't even think about it. he just did it.

In New Frontier, my main guy asked for his tobacco and my main gal surprised us both by saying, "Nope, sorry." So I guess he quit. That's ok. He was too distracted by other things to really worry about it.

Smoking isn't great, but I guarentee I never lit up because I read about it or my favorite character on TV smokes (he smoked a lot!). I probably started because my dad was a smoker and I grew up enjoying the sweet, sweet aroma of his second-hand smoke (I really did enjoy it). Hmmm, so perhaps instead of worrying about what authors and fictional people are doing, maybe we should be more concerned about parents...
 

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It's individual business, although being a smoker myself I try to be considerate by smoking outside away from non-smokers. Characters often reflect ourselves, so one of my characters does the same. I don't think readers ultimately care, as long as it helps the story progress. If the character smoking helps the story, let them smoke. If them smoking does not help the story progress, than it's best not to let them be a smoker.
 

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I notice more superfluous drinking (of alcohol) in fiction than I notice superfluous smoking. Maybe that comes from having grown up around people who seldom drank. In stories and movies through the 1960s or so, characters are always going to bars or mixing Martinis in their homes. Hospitality takes the form of offering a guest a drink. I guess daily drinking must be routine in some U.S. subcultures, but it seems forced to me. All those cocktails and shot glasses remind me that I'm reading fiction: real life as I'm familiar with it isn't like that.

By "superfluous" I mean the action doesn't advance the plot or help the story.
 

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reph said:
I notice more superfluous drinking (of alcohol) in fiction than I notice superfluous smoking. Maybe that comes from having grown up around people who seldom drank. In stories and movies through the 1960s or so, characters are always going to bars or mixing Martinis in their homes. Hospitality takes the form of offering a guest a drink. I guess daily drinking must be routine in some U.S. subcultures, but it seems forced to me. All those cocktails and shot glasses remind me that I'm reading fiction: real life as I'm familiar with it isn't like that.

By "superfluous" I mean the action doesn't advance the plot or help the story.
I suppose sometimes a "superfluous" addition helps in the sense of setting scene, etc., but honestly I think that anything in the story for the most part should advance the story...obviously there are always exceptions to these.
 
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