Can a good writer feel sucky?

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Ren

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So, I'm working on the first draft of a novel. I like the idea, I like the story, but I don't like a lot of what I'm actually writing.

Is this because its the first draft and it will get shiny with re-writes, or does it mean I probably suck?
 

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I think most first drafts are pretty bad....as you say, you polish it up and make it lovely in subsequent drafts. But yeah, its disheartening when you look back over a draft and want to delete the whole thing. Don't keep stopping to edit. You can always put square brackets around words/sentences you know you want to change, just to keep your momentum going, like this:

The [cat] sat on the mat and [put on a hat].

Just so you keep going, so you have something to edit, no matter how seemingly bad, it will improve!

I just realised i never follow any of this sage advice myself. Damn!
 

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Self-doubt is common.

I'm reminded of that story of the boy violinist. Skip if you've heard this one.

Little boy plays his violin for a world-class violinist. The violinist, after hearing the boy, grumbles a bit to himself and says, "You don't have the fire."

The boy, disheartened, puts away his violin and moves on to business. He becomes a successful businessman and, years later, meets up with the old violinist.

"I played for you once as a boy," he said. "You told me I didn't have the fire. I guess that was good advice, because I've gone on to do great things with my life."

"I didn't even hear you play," the violinist said. "I tell everyone that."

"What? But I could have been a great violinist! Why did you tell me that?"

"If you had the fire, it wouldn't have mattered what I said."

Do with that what you will. I say, keep writing. First drafts always suck.
 

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I think it was Margaret Atwood who said that every time she starts a new first draft she's terrified that she might die before she gets a chance to revise, and someone will read it over and think that she'd lost her gift if she was reduced to writing such drivel these days. As in... everyone writes lousy first drafts.
 

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I do skip editing while I'm actually doing the writing, and I have a lot of places where people/things are named XXXX until I think of something, so I don't stop just to make up names.

I just look back at what I wrote this morning and yesterday and think "Ewww. This is absolutely putrid", so I was wondering if that happens to good writers also.

Thanks for the advice so far.

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Self-doubt is common.

I'm reminded of that story of the boy violinist. Skip if you've heard this one.

Little boy plays his violin for a world-class violinist. The violinist, after hearing the boy, grumbles a bit to himself and says, "You don't have the fire."

The boy, disheartened, puts away his violin and moves on to business. He becomes a successful businessman and, years later, meets up with the old violinist.

"I played for you once as a boy," he said. "You told me I didn't have the fire. I guess that was good advice, because I've gone on to do great things with my life."

"I didn't even hear you play," the violinist said. "I tell everyone that."

"What? But I could have been a great violinist! Why did you tell me that?"

"If you had the fire, it wouldn't have mattered what I said."

Do with that what you will. I say, keep writing. First drafts always suck.

QFT.
 

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I've heard Sherman Alexie (winner of the National Book Award for YA with "Absolutely True Diary of a Part-Time Indian") say that he often thinks his writing is terrible.

My littlest sister had excellent grades all throughout high school, volunteer experience at the hospital, lots of extracurriculars. She was jumping up and down with joy that any college accepted her.

The suck monkey has nothing to do with real life. Nothing at all.
 

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I'll quote some of the (excellent, award-winning) pros :)

Elizabeth Bear on making a story "not suck."

Delia Sherman on novel plot falling apart.

And while I'm not finding other good quotes, Neil Gaiman has some thoughts on things in stories being broken and not working on early drafts, too.
 

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Yes. We all have self-doubt. At least I believe we do. My chapter 6 was made up on the fly, no outline. While I liked the concept and the scenes, I didn't feel it held up to the previous first 5. My beta readers loved it. So, yes, I think we all have doubts, sometimes they are justified, every sentence we write can't be deathly prose on the first draft. Other times we are just too close to the writing to be objective.
 

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Again, thanks everyone for the wonderful advice and quotes. You're all motivating me to just keep writing until I get to the end, and then worry about making it not suck when I get there.

I can't wait until 8am when I can get to it again!


 

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Usually when I have that experience I continue writing. When I go back later I find out one of two things:

1) The writing isn't as bad as I thought it was.
2) Even the parts that really are bad suggest their own fixes. By identifying what's wrong, I'm then able to figure out what I need to do right.

I say just keep going and worry about scrutinizing the writing later. Get the story down for now. That's usually most important.
 

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I think the main thing is to make sure you have the right characters and the best location. After a few re-writes it will sound good.
 

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Gosh, I hope so. :tongue

At least as much as sucky writers can feel FULL OF WIN.

Both tragic.
 

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Bad writers, good writers, excellent writers...all think something they have written sucks at some point. I'm so bogged down in re-writing what I've written that I can't get my first novel actually completed in a first draft. What I have is a 23rd draft that is still incomplete. :Shrug:

But I keep trying because novels 2 & 3 are screaming at me from the desk drawer and I haven't written them either. That's what you have to do -- keep writing. Stephen King has said that some of what he wrote he thought at the time was drivel. Some drivel gets published. Go figure.
 

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A lot of drivel gets published. Gives me hope for my own drivel. :D
 

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Hmm, when you think your writing sucks, take a field trip down to your local bookstore. Start picking up random books off the shelf and read a couple paragraphs. 2/3 you will go "Wow, and I thought I sucked. If this can get published, so can I!"

It works for me. Every time!
 

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I've heard Sherman Alexie (winner of the National Book Award for YA with "Absolutely True Diary of a Part-Time Indian") say that he often thinks his writing is terrible.

I love Sherman Alexie SO MUCH, and you don't know how heartening it is to hear that even he has doubts about his writing. It certainly inspires me to keep going, even when I think I can hear my WIP sucking all the way from the other room. :D
 
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