Do you write or attempt to write in DEEP POV?

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I definitely find some inner thoughts need italics, and others don't, even in the same paragraph, but don't have a magic rule.

I find that I do this as well. I'm writing Close 3rd and initially I stayed completely away from italics and largely from internal monologue. But the further I get with my drafts, the more I decide to write out her thoughts and to italicize them. It's like tko said, though -- I'll often italicize certain thoughts while not doing so for others in the same paragraph. There's no cut and dry rule. Sometimes writing is a science. Other times, it's an art.

I'm also a fan of italicizing certain words in dialogue. I think that emphasis can make dialogue shine; give it a certain depth you might only find in a tv show or movie. But too much of this (like anything) and the reader starts to notice the formatting, which pulls them out of it.

In his book On Becoming a Novelist, John Gardner describes novel writing as "a vivid, continuous dream" that we're trying to paint for the reader. Whatever facilitates that... whatever keeps the reader fully engaged is what you should aim for, and that's often less cut and dry than we'd like. I find that my manuscript has become more engaging with the addition of internal monologue via italics, because it really roots the reader in the my protagonist's head, IMO. There's just less distant there.
 

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I'm also a fan of italicizing certain words in dialogue. I think that emphasis can make dialogue shine; give it a certain depth you might only find in a tv show or movie. But too much of this (like anything) and the reader starts to notice the formatting, which pulls them out of it.

See, I can't stand this. Personal preference, but I find nine times out of ten that I would have put the emphasis there anyway and don't appreciate a helpful LOOK YOU NEED TO STRESS HERE sign. And the other one time it's in a place I would consider odd, and I stop reading to try and work out what the hell the author meant.

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Italicising pre-selected words for emphasis in dialogue is a bad habit to slip into.

If the POV is strong, the scene properly set, and the spoken words carefully chosen and supported by clear appropriate tags there should be little need for italic emphasis. We should take due care and trust our reader. He is going to interpret what is written in the context of what he has already read and in the flow of the dialogue itself.

It's self-deceiving to think italics makes dialogue shine.

Italics are for emphasis - not explanation. Even in real life dialogue most folk rely far more on body language and inflection than they do on emphasis.


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I'm also a fan of italicizing certain words in dialogue. I think that emphasis can make dialogue shine; give it a certain depth you might only find in a tv show or movie. But too much of this (like anything) and the reader starts to notice the formatting, which pulls them out of it.

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If the POV is strong, the scene properly set, and the spoken words carefully chosen and supported by clear appropriate tags there should be little need for italic emphasis. We should take due care and trust our reader. He is going to interpret what is written in the context of what he has already read and in the flow of the dialogue itself.

It's self-deceiving to think italics makes dialogue shine.

Italics are for emphasis - not explanation.
I agree with that, and also that italics are best used sparingly. Trust the reader--that's something I'm trying to do. But, every once in a while when writing dialogue, I use italics because I want the reader to read the sentence as I envision my character speaking it. Period. Yeah, being bossy. :) For example:
“What’re you gonna do?”

“I’m going to find out what’s going on.”

“How?”

“If he comes back I’ll talk to him.”

“God Mom are you stupid?” It just pops out. As soon as I say it, I want to take it back.
Without that emphasis, I don't think the line would adequately reflect Mikie's frustration. Then there's punctuation, or lack thereof--fodder for another day. . .
 
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I suppose my own thoughts/feelings on this were influenced by Mistborn, which used a fair few italics for thoughts. When I read it the first time through I was very impressed by how much it seemed to add to the narrative.

A brief excerpt (from Mistborn: The Final Empire)...
The two guards chatted unwittingly below.

Time to make a bit of noise.

Kelsier dropped to the ledge directly between the guards. Burning pewter to strengthen his body, he reached out and fiercely Steelpushed against both men at the same time.
In many of the examples in these books the thoughts are tagged with phrases like "he thought" or similar. But not always.

I think it's hard to show with just a snippet, since you haven't been in Kelsier's head for the last several pages and know without doubt that you are in his POV, but even so. When I read the books the first time I never had any doubt as to who was "thinking" those lines, tagged or clarified or not.

Those books did it right (imo). I'm not saying I can do it right, because I probably can't, but there's some good examples of italics-for-thoughts in there if anyone else is curious.
 
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I agree with that, and also that italics are best used sparingly. Trust the reader--that's something I'm trying to do. But, every once in a while when writing dialogue, I use italics because I want the reader to read the sentence as I envision my character speaking it. Period. Yeah, being bossy. :) For example: Without that emphasis, I don't think the line would adequately reflect Mikie's frustration. Then there's punctuation, or lack thereof--fodder for another day. . .

The problem with emphasis is that it doesn't tell you inflection.

In your example above, I could interpret the line as being said sarcastically: "God, mom, don't be so stooopid." :rolleyes:

Or angrily: "God, mom, don't be so STUPID." :mad:

With gentle teasing: "God, mom, don't be so stupid," :wag:

Or with a squeaky helium voice for that word... actually, there's no smiley for that. :D

Point is, the emphasis doesn't tell me anything about how to understand that line. Everything else around it does - the context you already have there tells me what the kid means. The emphasis is just stage direction, and stage directions are for the actors, not the audience. Just mentally replace any emphasised word with a squeaky helium voice - or a gritty-Batman voice - and you realise how little that stage direction adds to the prose.

I don't disagree that emphasis does sometimes have its place. But that's like once or twice per book in my view.
 
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