Supernatural (Warning: Spoilers)

Based on the way things seem to happen in the show, I would guess that somewhere next season, Castiel will recover his powers. How many times has he gotten lucky so far? I faintly remember Lucifer (as Sam) snapping his fingers and blowing Castiel to bits, but he returned, still wearing the same vessel. But, he will linger and be hilarious trying to figure out how to adjust for the first 75% of the season. Perhaps he will discover more things that humans enjoy, like had happened with alcohol, pain killers, porn, and burgers. (Burgers make him VERY happy.)

The next thought is more of an I HOPE! I thought Jim Beaver did a good job portraying Bobby. I'd like to see him return to the show. They've given him a few mini revivals. First he was killed, then he attached himself to his flask and helped the brothers out as a ghost, then Sam rescued his soul from Hell, so how will he be revived next? My hopes are that he was turned into an angel after his soul made it to heaven. Then, Metatron banished all the angels from heaven, therefore returning Bobby to the show. So, my hopes would be, that Castiel continues to tag along with Sam and Dean, while making a fool of himself, and their new guardian angel will be Bobby. Then he'll get to teach Garth how to really act like him.

Last thought, and I saw someone else mention this as well. I think when the angels were cast out of hell, it would have been the same situation as with Lucifer. They will still have powers, but they won't be able to return to their home. It's possible that they will linger around like Castiel, as another person mentioned, but since they were at war in Heaven, I would assume that they will continue that war on Earth. Some of them will grow vengeful for what happened, and others may continue to fight for what's right.

Meanwhile, Dean, Sam, Castiel the Lingerer, Bobby the Angel, and Kevin will try to avoid getting themselves killed, and tried to figure out how to banish all demons to hell and all angels to heaven, at the same time, without having to sacrifice themselves. If the next season is the series finale, I hope a God character makes an appearance and sets things the way the he likes it again.

Bet he would have discovered a lot more if Meg hadn't been killed.

Ben Edlund is leaving again to go to Revolution with Kripke.

http://www.tv.com/news/ben-edlund-i...ejoin-eric-kripke-at-revolution-137010889699/

Um. Well. So much for my hopes that S9 won't suck donkey balls...

Yeah. Well, there's still Carver. And Edlund only wrote three episodes from last season (even if "three" included the best one...) But oh well.

What I want to know, is Naomi really dead? Because I've missed Amanda Tapping, and I really like Naomi.

Seems to me drill in the brain means pretty dead, even for an angel.

Its always difficult to say whether someone in SPN is really and truly forever dead.

My guess is Naomi played dead to escape Metatron, and my hope is that the show will finally end this season with Chuck coming out of hiding and in his timid, nerdly way getting the angels in line and back up to Heaven. Before that, because Hell's open and the angels are on earth, that it'll be the Wild West and Lucifer escapes. And that someone will attack Lisa and Ben and they'll remember what Cass wiped from their memories and hook up with Dean again. Since Jess is probably dead-dead, Sam will finally use all that trial mojo in his body, close the gates of Hell, die gloriously, and Chuck will toss him up to Heaven with Jess.

Hey, a gal can dream.

Leaving as an EP and staff writer doesn't mean Edlund won't write an episode or two if he has time. They know how loved his work is and so does Kripke.

callalily61 said:

My guess is Naomi played dead to escape Metatron, and my hope is that the show will finally end this season with Chuck coming out of hiding and in his timid, nerdly way getting the angels in line and back up to Heaven. Before that, because Hell's open and the angels are on earth, that it'll be the Wild West and Lucifer escapes. And that someone will attack Lisa and Ben and they'll remember what Cass wiped from their memories and hook up with Dean again. Since Jess is probably dead-dead, Sam will finally use all that trial mojo in his body, close the gates of Hell, die gloriously, and Chuck will toss him up to Heaven with Jess.

Hey, a gal can dream.

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I believe there are two more seasons of Supernatural - but I would be extremely happy if the above played out over the course of those two seasons. One addition: Bring back Jeffrey Dean Morgan as John Winchester!!!

Oh, yes, indeed!

And the only thing that would make me happier than my above scenario playing out? The Trickster/Gabriel returns.

Yes, the plan is for 10. Jeremy Carver pitched a 3-season arc when he took over as showrunner for season 8.

Callalilly, I love that Theory. That would be purse awesome.

I really just want the mojo of seasons 4-5 back. Puppy-dog Sam, filled with angst and anger. Stud-muffin Dean, pretending he doesn't care but really as soft inside as Sam. Bobby calling them idjits. Clueless Cass. 80% of the eps tying into the overall story arc and building to a conclusion.

Seasons 2-5 had IMO tighter writing and direction, allowing the audience to believe. To care. To grip the arms of the couch in dread of what we were sure was about to happen but still hoped wouldn't. To want to shake Sam and Dean and tell them to get their heads out of their butts.

Eh. That's why I have DVDs.

My opinion. YMMV.

**sighs fondly** You remember the first time Sam died and the first time Dean went to Hell? Those were the days...

Mr. Lily just left for soccer and I have the house to myself. I'm up to The Monster at the End of this Book--Chuck's first appearance. Ahh...

callalily61 said:

My opinion. YMMV.

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Yeah, sorry, I'm not in agreement with that at all.

This last season has been one of the better, as far as I'm concerned. They've expanded the mythology, given the characters a bit more depth, ended on a note I didn't even begin to see coming (though I suspected Metatron was scheming something), and I am MORE than happy to be rid of puppy-dog Sam.

And I thought his comments vis-a-vis his relationship with Dean made a great deal of sense, given how things have played out. As did Dean's response to learning Sam wouldn't survive. And hell, even his arguments made sense on that one.

Do I miss Bobby? Yes, I do. But the death toll here has been appropriate, given what they do. It's only with this Men of Letters development that it's starting to look like it doesn't have to end in early death for all and sundry in the hunting business.

Have all the episodes been spot on? No. There have been some low points, but there were those in all the seasons. I *LIKE* that the show has undergone changes - if it hadn't all we'd have would be those "monster of the week" episodes.

And while those are good, and would have been enough to keep me tuning in, I like it better when a show establishes a mythology and runs with it. (And isn't afraid to turn things on their head from time to time.)

dragonjax said:

**sighs fondly** You remember the first time Sam died and the first time Dean went to Hell? Those were the days...

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Yeah, which they then have proceeded to repeat/redo in some form or another. Which has been my one main complaint about the prior seasons - ALL of them, btw - and why this one was a nice change: they've done the whole "one brother gets sent someplace" or "the boys fight and break-up" thing WAY too often.

The first 5 seasons weren't as flawless as a lot of the rose-colored glasses I'm seeing abound on the web would have it.

See, now that's where I completely disagree. I hated S6 with an unholy passion. S7 was clever, but the Leviathans seemed to be a one-trick pony. I also got very tired of them seeing how many times they could say "Dick" in each ep. S8 has had its moments, but overall I'm seeing way too much recycling of the show's own ideas.

And my glasses have only a faint pinkish tinge, I swear! S2-5 also had their less-than-stellar moments. The percentage IMO of high quality to low quality, has just reversed in the last 3 seasons.

I'm still watching. I'm still hoping. It's just seemed to me, to quote JRRT: All thin and stretched, like butter scraped over too much bread.

The proof that the show still has quality is that its fans are still debating and watching no matter what.

Kiddo and I have plans to Skype while watching this season, as he'll be away at college for the first time. (I expect that to last for maybe one ep. He'll be hanging with his friends, not with mom. )

My only real complaint with the Leviathans was the season finale seemed too easy. Other than that, they made for a nice change.

I'd like them to go back and revisit the idea of the Alphas, which I thought they were setting themselves up for by locking Heaven and Hell... but as I said, that final shot of the angels falling alone was enough to sell me on this year's finale.

I was NOT happy that Sara from Season 1 was one of the casualites, but that's in part because that was the first episode I ever saw (on rerun when I returned to the States) prior to picking up Season 2. Also in part because I like the actress who plays her.

But, again, Crowley using Chuck's books was, I thought, a great bit of writing. One of those things where I found myself asking, "Why didn't somebody think of this earlier?"

I like moments like that.

I have to say, I've rewatched seasons 1-5 all the way through three times and hit the highlights another once or twice. And it never gets old. I didn't buy any seasons after 5 because I didn't feel the urge to rewatch . . . That's just my experience, though.

slcboston said:

Yeah, sorry, I'm not in agreement with that at all.

This last season has been one of the better, as far as I'm concerned. They've expanded the mythology, given the characters a bit more depth, ended on a note I didn't even begin to see coming (though I suspected Metatron was scheming something), and I am MORE than happy to be rid of puppy-dog Sam.

And I thought his comments vis-a-vis his relationship with Dean made a great deal of sense, given how things have played out. As did Dean's response to learning Sam wouldn't survive. And hell, even his arguments made sense on that one.

Do I miss Bobby? Yes, I do. But the death toll here has been appropriate, given what they do. It's only with this Men of Letters development that it's starting to look like it doesn't have to end in early death for all and sundry in the hunting business.

Have all the episodes been spot on? No. There have been some low points, but there were those in all the seasons. I *LIKE* that the show has undergone changes - if it hadn't all we'd have would be those "monster of the week" episodes.

And while those are good, and would have been enough to keep me tuning in, I like it better when a show establishes a mythology and runs with it. (And isn't afraid to turn things on their head from time to time.)

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slcboston said:

My only real complaint with the Leviathans was the season finale seemed too easy. Other than that, they made for a nice change.

I'd like them to go back and revisit the idea of the Alphas, which I thought they were setting themselves up for by locking Heaven and Hell... but as I said, that final shot of the angels falling alone was enough to sell me on this year's finale.

I was NOT happy that Sara from Season 1 was one of the casualites, but that's in part because that was the first episode I ever saw (on rerun when I returned to the States) prior to picking up Season 2. Also in part because I like the actress who plays her.

But, again, Crowley using Chuck's books was, I thought, a great bit of writing. One of those things where I found myself asking, "Why didn't somebody think of this earlier?"

I like moments like that.

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+1

At the boy's age (at/near 30) they shouldn't act how they did in early seasons. Not with all they've gone through.

As for direction, there was a change to the look of the show after Kim Manners died in Jan '09. Executive Producer - 60 episodes, 2006-2009, Co-Executive Producer - 18 episodes, 2005-2006, and director of 16. The last episode he directed was "Metamorphosis". Where Kripke was the brain, Kim was said to be the heart.

See, now that's where I completely disagree. I hated S6 with an unholy passion. S7 was clever, but the Leviathans seemed to be a one-trick pony. I also got very tired of them seeing how many times they could say "Dick" in each ep. S8 has had its moments, but overall I'm seeing way too much recycling of the show's own ideas.

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Leviathans were a real low point for me, too. They lasted too long and until they killed Bobby, it wasn't personal. As for Bobby... I don't miss him. Don't get me wrong, a good character, but they used him as a crutch far too often. They'd be off fighting something, you'd see one of them on the phone, and Bobby had all the answers. They stopped being independent and doing things for themselves and, as someone said upthread, they should be smarter than that by now. That said, I don't think they really did Bobby's death justice and that's what's too bad.

But that's what I liked about season 8. They took charge, the trials made it about them, and here's hoping Sam's trials mishap doesn't get wiped away and that's what keeps them invested. (Sam's always been the one who needed a reason to hunt, as evident as ever since he abandoned Dean.) It seems like we're getting a new villain in Abaddon and Metatron, which is fine, because as much as I like Mark Sheppard it's time for a new opponent.

I'm rewatching for the first time and I'm up to season 4. The earlier seasons definitely had low points too, but not nearly as many as 6-7.

I'm an unashamed lover of angst. Sam's doomed self-sacrificing anguish and pain in the trials = love. Dean's heartbreak and despair and futile battering against inevitability = love. What made me such a Supernatural fangirl was how it mixed horror with humor with angst. Love!

I'll be watching come October in the never-ending hope that the writing will keep climbing back to the level of S4-5. S8 had its moments (the Golem ep especially). I like Crowley. I'm iffy about Abaddon, but she has potential.