Am I romance or HF?

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Diomedes

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I didn't bother to think about genre as I was writing my current story. I didn't think at the time I should focus on an audience but rather should write the story for myself. I had thought I was a comfortable fit between romance and HF, but now I'm not sure whether I should focus on agents looking for romance or HF. I'm giving a brief synopsis so that you might be able to help me.



Set in Dublin 1912.Nineteen year old Aisling lives in tenement housing after her mother died and her father ran away with his mistress. Alone and afraid in her new found poverty, having lived a comfortable middle-class life and still grieving for her mother she finds employment as an actress in W.B. Yeats' theatre - singing and dancing being skills she learnt at school. Always feeling like an outsider and shocked at the prostitution and poverty amongst the working-class and caught in the short and shaky future of an acting career, she makes an easy target for the vindictive and insecure actress Katie, who herself fears that prostitution may be her future if she were dropped from the company.

The nastiness of Katie only increases when Yeats wishes to stage a Greek play, The King Oedipus, and enter into a race to stage it with Britain in an effort to promote Irish sovereignty as Aisling is singled out to voice the lines of the play as they're being translated. She was chosen by a young scholar, James, from Trinity University who has fallen in love with her instantly, which causes Katie's insults to shift from commenting on Aisling's frigidity to making her out to be a slut. James is shy and jittery towards Aisling and is always caught staring at her; his weak nature and behaviour, which she sees as sordid, puts her on her guard with him.

Meanwhile, another man has moved in below her in her housing; charming, handsome, confident and determined, she can't help but be attracted to his outgoing and unabashed nature which makes her yearn for the strong and confident love of her mother. He arranges several dates with her and then, arousing her sexual desires that have never been fully realised by her, he effectively rapes her. But he manipulates her feelings and her actions in a way which only increases the affections she has for him and the way she begins to see him as a replacement for her mother's love.

James, in the meantime, keeps telling her how much he loves her with all the poetic language he can muster, but it only exasperates her with his shy and timid nature. Yet the lines he is translating for the play that she voices on the stage, give her a feeling of strength as she identifies with Oedipus in his suffering and his courage to overcome it and not being able to perceive things as they are. Andrew, however, causes her further problems when his fiancee appears at Aisling's door and tries to fight her causing Aisling to feel like the mistress of her father that gave her mother so much grief.

Andrew's hold on her begins to lessen, and she begins to see things as they are when Katie is groped by the male actor playing Oedipus. With just days to go before the performance, Yeats kicks the actor out of the theatre and Aisling is the only one who can replace him - knowing Oedipus' lines from voicing them. Katie and Aisling make up and cause her to reflect on Andrew and the lines of the play James had written - she realises they were written for her. That James had known her well enough to craft those lines and seen the strength within her.

The play is cancelled and Aisling will never play Oedipus once Britain stages the play early; and outside the theatre Andrew appears and there is a clash with James. Aisling tells him what she really sees in him. And then there's a happy ending with James.
 

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What's the main plotline of your story? Is it Aisling finding her true love, or is it her pulling her life together (of which finding the right man is only a part)?

Genre Romance has, at its core, interpersonal conflict between the two lovers. When they work out their differences, that's the happy ending.

Historical Fiction has, at its core, either internal or external conflicts (or both). When the main character figures things out for themselves and/or saves/loses the day, that's the ending.

There is a historical subgenre of Romance, where all the interpersonal conflict happens in a historical setting, which this would qualify as, if it's a Genre Romance.
 

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My first impression is to say "Romance," if only because I tend to lump everything that focuses on romance to any extent into that category.

But I think your issue is that you've got a story that is sharing almost equal space with "Romance" and "Historical Fiction."

The real question you need to answer is the one somewhat posed by Deleyan Lee in the previous post:
Genre Romance has, at its core, interpersonal conflict between the two lovers. When they work out their differences, that's the happy ending.

Historical Fiction has, at its core, either internal or external conflicts (or both). When the main character figures things out for themselves and/or saves/loses the day, that's the ending.
Whichever one is your focus will determine how you want to market it.

But something I'm not sure of is this: Most romance readers wouldn't be disappointed to find a solid plot and external story in their "romance" as far as I know. But would some people who pick up a book looking for a solid historical fiction read be a little disappointed to find out that half of the focus is on romance?

I'm not sure.

At any rate, I think it's good that you're apparently in a genre that isn't clear cut. Those tend to be some of the more interesting books. :)
 

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You may also call it (for the purpose of finding an agent): Historical with romantic elements. :) It's a viable category for selling to publishers, who can then decide in which line it falls best.
 

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I'd say you were Historical Romance. You don't state how long your novel is which can be important as many HR publishers have very set guidelines. It sounds an interesting piece and I wish you every luck with it, however you get it published.
 

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From a romance reader:

I'm going to suggest you NOT call this historical romance.

1. Historical romance has gotten pretty narrow in recent years. It's mostly regency, some Victorian, all set in England. (See this blog post.) If you're writing something else...ummm, good luck.

2. I get the impression that this is all through Aisling's POV? (Correct me if I'm wrong.) Most romance has both the hero and heroine's POV. Now, this is not always the case, but all the single-POV romances I've read have been contemporary. Never read a historical romance with only one POV. Perhaps they exist, but be aware that you are breaking genre conventions here. Assuming it is all in her POV, of course.

3. Related to the above, it really sounds like this is Aisling's story; it's about her journey, not James'. I'm not sure he gets a lot of page time. Also, she spends a lot of the book interested in, and dating, another man--perhaps not impossible, but hard to pull off in genre romance.

4. James sounds like a beta hero. Romance skews pretty heavily towards alpha heroes. So at this point, you are breaking too many conventions in a subgenre that honestly starts to have problems when the hero merely isn't a duke or earl.

5. The first book I thought of when I read your synopsis, though I have not read it and it's not really all that similar to yours, is The Typewriter Girl. Which was sold as historical fiction, despite, from the sounds of it, having a pretty strong romance. There are also books like Water for Elephants and Hotel on the Corner of Bitter and Sweet (see query here) which are set in the early half of the 20th century and have strong romances...but are not marketed as genre romance.


If you wanted, you could call it historical fiction with strong romantic elements, but I would really hesitate to call it a historical romance.

I'm going to guess you don't read (or read much) historical genre romance. You might want to take a peek at what's available in this subgenre these days. Read the blurbs/reviews for books by authors like Sherry Thomas, Courtney Milan, Julia Quinn, Loretta Chase, and Tessa Dare.

I just don't see what you've written fitting in historical romance, despite the HEA or HFN. Some of this is, unfortunately, due to the subgenre having become increasingly narrow, so that regency-with-a-duke-or-earl describes a good fraction of the books. But it also sounds to me that it this is much more Aisling's story than Aisling's and James' story, which would take it out of romance for me.
 

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Well, LJD seems to be knowledgeable on the subject. Good post!

I don't read romance at all so that was interesting to read. Thanks for posting. I feel like I learned stuff!
 

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I'd say historical romance without hesitation and certainly wouldn't let one person's opinion on a widely read blog dissuade me from that viewpoint.
 

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I'd say historical romance without hesitation and certainly wouldn't let one person's opinion on a widely read blog dissuade me from that viewpoint.

what widely read blog?


Thanks for your opinions, everyone.
 

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I'd say historical romance. In the way you describe it, the MC's major issues are about romance, not her situation.

See, I saw it as being about Aisling's personal journey, with the romance being a significant part of that. So it read as historical women's fiction with strong romantic elements to me. James seems rather static to me, and it's Aisling who changes. Of course, this may not actually be the case in the manuscript, but that's how I read the synopsis.
 

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I didn't bother to think about genre as I was writing my current story. I didn't think at the time I should focus on an audience but rather should write the story for myself. I had thought I was a comfortable fit between romance and HF, but now I'm not sure whether I should focus on agents looking for romance or HF.

Thanks for this post, I've been struggling with the same question. The problem with calling it "historical fiction" is that HF posters seem very, very, research driven. Some much of the story is has solid grounding on a historical event/person/time period, with a dash of fiction to weave the story together.

Now, that is an overgeneralization, but it's my sense of the genre.

From your synopsis, I don't have a sense of how historically accurate your WIP is, how much focus you give to the historical details of your setting and social aspects.

In my case, my WIP is loosely based on historical social elements - covering a broad time period, which leaves me uncertain if my WIP qualifies as HF. But from Deleyan's very succinct post, it is clear to me now my WIP isn't Romance either. *sigh*
 

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I'd say historical romance without hesitation and certainly wouldn't let one person's opinion on a widely read blog dissuade me from that viewpoint.

The one linked in LJD's post.

Dear Author is a pretty big romance blog.

Firedrake, I'm not sure whether you meant Jane's opinion regarding historical romance as expressed on the blog, or my opinion in this thread, which yes, is in the minority here. The link to the blog was just for the discussion of the sameness in historical romance these days--mainly the second paragraph.


Diomedes, I think the person on AW you want to hear from on this topic is Evangeline, as I believe she has struggled with similar issues.
 

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LJD, I meant Jane's opinion, which is pretty sweeping and damning. There's plenty of historical romances out there that aren't Regency or Victorian.
 

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I'm no expert, but by my understanding, I think DeleyanLee and Cathy C hit the mark. If you look at any romance group's definition of a romance it is clear that romance readers want a story about one man and woman, or for that matter FF or MM

If it doesn't fit that definition then the best approach, if seeking representation, is probably a historical that has romantic elements.

I too wrote without thinking about genres and ended up with a story that non-romance readers call a romance, and romance readers call a historical - but with a book that can't be marketed as a romance because it doesn't fit the romance definition.
 

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This book does seem split between romance and history. What I would suggest using as a label is Romantic Historical. It's basically the same as what others have suggested, "a historical that has romantic elements." But it's more concise.
 

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So in the genre boards here, should I post in romance or historical writing?
 

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Hmmm....that is a good question. I'd say it depends on what aspect of the book you want to discuss. If you want to talk about its historical elements, then post in the Historical forum. If it's the romantic relationships you want to talk about, then go for the Romance forum. In the end it might not matter too much. There's so much genre crossover these days.
 

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I've wondered the same thing about my own WIP, though I think I'm pretty solidly on the historical side of the divide. The story involves a male and female main character who eventually end up together--but almost all 100,000 words are about them living apart and having separate lives, not about their feelings for one another. I think that may be one criterium: on balance, is the romance the most important element in the story? Or is it just one of many important elements?
 
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