Fallout 4 soonish?

Maxinquaye · May 4, 2013

With the last of the Skyrim DLCs done, Bethesda has moved on to "the next big project that require the whole studio's attention".

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...o-our-next-major-project-presumably-fallout-4

So, Fallout 4?

I would love another Fallout game about now. On the other hand, to some that's basically sacrilege.

But while Bethesda is by no means perfect, I kind of like them. They have never ruined my trust in their intentions or abilities. They just make me a bit frustrated at times.

Kaiser-Kun · May 4, 2013

I'm currently replaying New Vegas again. A new fallout would make me real happy, though same as Skyrim, I think they could do better with less space and more detail.

Zoombie · May 4, 2013

Do you know what I want? A new Fallout game written by Obsidian and built and playtested by...someone else >.>

Maxinquaye · May 4, 2013

Yeah, Fallout is the game I keep coming back to. I mean, I like Elder Scrolls, but I love the Fallouts.

Kaiser-Kun · May 4, 2013

I'd love a game that looks as pretty as Skyrim, with Fallout 3's atmosphere, Bioware-level dialogue and characters, and New Vegas's mission variety. Oh! And a voiced protagonist, please.

Maxinquaye · May 4, 2013

Kaiser-Kun said:
I'd love a game that looks as pretty as Skyrim, with Fallout 3's atmosphere, Bioware-level dialogue and characters, and New Vegas's mission variety. Oh! And a voiced protagonist, please.

Well, Bethesda Game Studios is working on that "big new thing".

The Evil Within is being released by Bethesda Softworks, the arm that works with other studios to make games like Rage and Dishonoured. ZeniMax is the ones that are doing the MMO. That basically covers the active projects we know about. Bethesda Game Studios is moving to this unannounced project, and what could it be except Fallout 4? Unless they're doing something entirely different.

Zoombie · May 4, 2013

Nooooo, no, NO!

No voiced protag.

Voiced protags work great if you have a predetermined idea for the protag. When you have a voice, the most you can do is give a little bit of variation.

When you are making a game wherein you have this much choice, you NEED the freedom of huge dialog trees, which are only made possible when you don't need to record a bazillion million different dialog options.

At least until we can perfectly simulate human voices using text alone. Or are willing to spend the money to record the voices for the amount of text required for, say, Planescape Torment level numbers of dialog choices.

So, to reiterate...

Booker DeWitt having a voice? Good!
Fallout Character having a voice? Bad

(in my opinion, at least)

Maxinquaye · May 4, 2013

Yeah, I agree with Zoombie. Commander Shepard can have a voice because you're playing one specific character. The Fallout Character is a representation of the player, and not a specific character. You create the character - good, evil, neutral, or insane - and a voice would limit that. The 'player avatar' is why the Fallout Character always have a generic name, like Vault Dweller, or The Courier, or The Lone Wanderer.

Kaiser-Kun · May 4, 2013

I see your point and burn all my "voice protags only" shirts.

Zoombie · May 4, 2013

Well, remember, a voiced protag is BRILLIO in linear games with a pre-determined protagonist character and such. Commander Shepard worked very well due to Jennifer Hale AND ONLY JENNIFER HALE'S delivery and acting qualities.

Contrast that to, say, Corvo Atte, who HAS dialog options, but lacks a voice...and yet, he's super linear, with a pre-determined story and arc and everything.

It's not that complicated, but devs keep messing it up...

Shadow Dragon · May 4, 2013

Yeah. I also like Fallout more than Elder Scrolls and agree with Zoombie about the voice protagonist thing (one of the things I didn't like about DA2).

Anyways, since it's taking place in the Commonwealth and will involve the Institute, I wonder if you'll play as an escaped android?

GeorgeK · May 7, 2013

I got through Fallout NV once. It played properly the first time, but every time that I've tried to play it since it crashes at an ever increasing frequency. I see no point to buying a sequel. The same goes for Spore

KateSmash · May 7, 2013

GeorgeK said:
I got through Fallout NV once. It played properly the first time, but every time that I've tried to play it since it crashes at an ever increasing frequency.

You wouldn't happen to be playing it on PS3, would you? Because I had the same issues with no real fix. (And as the husband insisted on the collector's edition at launch, doesn't really lend to me trading it in for the 360 like I did Skyrim) Especially now that Obsidian is no more. Fallout 3 didn't have the same issues, AFAIK. But I have that on 360 and, like Skyrim, you can clear up most of the lag/freeze issues by deleting unnecessary saves from the system.

But yeah, PS3 users really got the short end of the Bethesda stick this generation. Not that I blame Bethesda - the PS3 dev kit is reportedly insanely difficult to deal with and end up with a cross-platform result.

Still, Fallout 4 will be a huge contributing factor in the next next-gen console I buy. I can't really see it coming out before the PS4 and 720 are upon us.

And if there's not a Vault full of escaped androids, I'm going to pout briefly.

Zoombie · May 7, 2013

You know...

At a certain point, I think that Fallout kind of has to end. Or at least, it has to stop being fallout. Each Fallout game has taken things forward a bit, and by Fallout: New Vegas, you have actual nation-states fighting actual nation-states with industrialized armies. Oh, it's still lawless, but the wasteland is looking awfully civilized to me.

At least, compared to how it was in Fallout 1...

KateSmash · May 7, 2013

The Brotherhood of Steel could always recreate nukes and blast everyone back to the stone age.

Certain chapters are also crazy enough to do so.

(Or, more likely, they'd use a non-US location. Though that would arguably make it lose some of it's Atomic Punk meets post-WWII Americana charm.)

Myrealana · May 7, 2013

I would SO love a new Fallout game. I just went back to Fallout 3 and a couple of DLCs I hadn't gotten around to the first time.

I love the variety of gameplay options available. It's so much fun to sit there with my husband and compare. "What did you do with the Megaton bomb?" "Did you side with the NCR?" "What does Boone do if you try to join up with Caesar?"

I just finished Tomb Raider, and while it was entertaining for a while, I was missing the decision points of Fallout and the way they affect the experience.

Shadow Dragon · May 7, 2013

Zoombie said:
You know...

At a certain point, I think that Fallout kind of has to end. Or at least, it has to stop being fallout. Each Fallout game has taken things forward a bit, and by Fallout: New Vegas, you have actual nation-states fighting actual nation-states with industrialized armies. Oh, it's still lawless, but the wasteland is looking awfully civilized to me.

At least, compared to how it was in Fallout 1...

Yeah, after awhile, it's going to be the stop of a wasteland and just being part of a battlefield among post nuclear war nations (basically was NV was). I'm ok with that, as long as the games are still good though.

However, there's also the possibility of prequels. I for one would love to see a game take place during the nuclear holocaust. The tutorial level can take place right before hand so you catch a glimpse of the old world, then see it all go to hell and you have to try to survive it.

JustinlDew · May 9, 2013

Fallout 4 is probably going to be the catalyst that I need to justify purchasing a new tower.

Now, what I am really hoping for is to finally see Europe or China or even the Midwest U.S. . I know Van Buren was supposed to cover the Midwest and I liked to see it.

A prequel would be good too. What I really want to see is a true story of who shot first. Honestly, this is probably one of the more confusing things about Fallout.
Mothership Zeta heavily implied that it was the aliens, and some sources in game say China, but with what we know about the Enclave and how deeply ingrained they were in the Pre-War American Government I wouldn't really put a World War past them.

JustinlDew · May 9, 2013

KateSmash said:
The Brotherhood of Steel could always recreate nukes and blast everyone back to the stone age. Certain chapters are also crazy enough to do so.

(Or, more likely, they'd use a non-US location. Though that would arguably make it lose some of it's Atomic Punk meets post-WWII Americana charm.)

I don't think the Brotherhood would do that. Maybe the Enclave would, but not the Brotherhood.

Maxinquaye · May 17, 2013

JustinlDew said:
I don't think the Brotherhood would do that. Maybe the Enclave would, but not the Brotherhood.

I don't know. I mean, the Brotherhood in Capital Wastelands was a rogue chapter. The true brotherhood were the outcasts. This was emphasized again in FO:NV. The Brotherhood just hid in that bunker and didn't do anything for anyone else.

You also have the hints of the fascist military dictatorship that the Brotherhood runs in the midwest around Chicago, I believe. The Brotherhood is not a good faction. At best they are morally neutral. At worst, they're pretty bad.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Brotherhood_of_Steel_(Midwest)

C. G. Hagy · May 22, 2013

Zoombie said:
Do you know what I want? A new Fallout game written by Obsidian and built and playtested by...someone else >.>

Indeed. New Vegas had some of the best developed characters around. Cassidy's a good example... Two lines in and you've got a clear notion of who this person is.

And the fact that the characters would develop and change in different ways according to your actions. Really well done.

A game that was sadly technically flawed but had a superior narrative quality to almost any game out there... And a lot of films as well.

Fallout 3 was good, but it didn't feel like fallout to me. At best, I thought it felt like fallout fanfiction (which is basically what it was at heart, Bethesda's love-hug to the series.). New Vegas had continuity to the original games that was both subtle and overt, yet always made sense and sometimes even made you smile (Marcus! Doctor Henry! Cassidy had a daughter and she's a cute alcoholic!).

I don't think there should be a finite number of games in the series really. To me, the story of the series is all about the march of progress. From fallout shelter (Vault 13) to primitive village (Arroyo), from village to civilzation (NCR), and from Civilization to frontier (The Dam). I think there's plenty of wasteland left to re-civilize that they could keep going for a dozen games or more.

lilyWhite · May 22, 2013

I'd have more praise for Obsidian's writing if four out of six of the companions in New Vegas weren't smartasses and there wasn't the rule that everyone affliated with the Legion must be a colossal asshole.

Zoombie · May 22, 2013

Uh...

But the legion was a slave army based off the Roman Empire.

The Romans, hate to break it to you, were colossal dicks. I mean, they took being an asshole to new levels of cockistry.

lilyWhite · May 22, 2013

Zoombie said:
Uh...

But the legion was a slave army based off the Roman Empire.

The Romans, hate to break it to you, were colossal dicks. I mean, they took being an asshole to new levels of cockistry.

The game presents the other three story paths (NCR, House, Wild Card) as grey—having their advantages and disadvantages. The Legion, by comparison, is presented as pitch-black the very second you come across them. Which makes the attempts to present "up-sides" for the Legion (e.g. safety of caravans in Legion-controlled territory) come off as shoe-horned. It wouldn't be as bad if not for the fact that literally every single Legionary is a complete jerkwad, with not one of them showing any trace of humanity aside from Caesar (and even then he's still a massive condescending jerk).

Originally, Ulysses (the villain of Lonesome Road) was going to be a Legion-sympathetic companion, which would have been a great addition given the anti-Legion bias in just about every companion (with two who downright refuse to work with you if you help the Legion) instead of the obsessive nutcase hypocrite he eventually became.

Then again, given the heavy anti-Legion bias in the gameplay itself (very few Legion missions coupled with being locked out of the huge number of NCR-aligned missions in the game, the anti-Legion bias in your companions). Whereas the game gives depth to the other questlines and factions, the Legion is little more than the token evil path.

Zoombie · May 22, 2013

...and?

Every single Fallout made has had one faction that is pure, undiluted evil. And, you know what, I'm okay with the game presenting the Legion as a bunch of hateful, slaving monsters. Because...well, they are a bunch of hateful, slaving monsters.

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