Do cliffhangers create interest, or bloodthirst?

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NeuroFizz

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Rule #2. Play fair with the reader. You know who I mean--the person who has just shelled out his/her hard-earned cash hoping to be entertained by your story. The person who will feel cheated if the investment in paying for and reading the story turns out to be little more than a tease to buy the next book.

It's the best way to get on my "never buy from that author again" list.
 

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Rule #2. Play fair with the reader. You know who I mean--the person who has just shelled out his/her hard-earned cash hoping to be entertained by your story. The person who will feel cheated if the investment in paying for and reading the story turns out to be little more than a tease to buy the next book.

It's the best way to get on my "never buy from that author again" list.

This is how I feel, too.

I was reading a fairly popular series and was fortunate to have bought all four of the books that were currently out all at one time. So the cliff hanger between books 2 and 3 wasn't frustrating because I had the next book in hand.

If I had had to wait for the release of book 3? I would not have finished the series and the author's books would never grace my bookshelves/nook memory again.
 

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I break a novel's plot down into 2 parts. You have the main "overall" story arc, and then within that overall arc, you have the "sub" arcs. I think its extremely important to find the balance between the two.

In other words, I feel it is ok to leave cliffhangers on the "overall" plot (especially if you plan on the book spanning multiple sequals), but you have to make sure you are taking care of the sub arcs...whether that's adding new ones, moving them along, and at the most, wrapping them up. Wrapping up these "sub arcs" in a story will help the reader feel satisfied while staying hungry to know the outcome of the "overall" plot. If any of that made sense lol.
 

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I like a story to have some kind of resolution. Endng on a cliffhanger won't make me want to read the second book. However if book one was a great story that left me satisfied...

Come back next week to read the rest of this post...
 

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Rule #2. Play fair with the reader. You know who I mean--the person who has just shelled out his/her hard-earned cash hoping to be entertained by your story. The person who will feel cheated if the investment in paying for and reading the story turns out to be little more than a tease to buy the next book.

It's the best way to get on my "never buy from that author again" list.

Pretty much that.

Sometimes an author can earn a cliffhanger, if it's not their first series and if it's not the first book *in* the series. The previously mentioned one in Martin's GoT comes to mind, or the end of book 3 of the Dark Tower series.

But even though both of those were big old cliffhangers, it's important to note that they were not cliffhangers of the arcs of their particular volumes. And even though they pretty much worked, they were *still* irritating for a lot of readers.

I've in the past couple months put two authors on my "never again" list after reasonably promising stories ended with final chapters that said, "Oh you, thought you were buying a complete story? You thought we'd have an actual conclusion and leave you with some sort of satisfaction? No way, the satisfaction's in book 2 or book 3 reader! So read on and-"

And no. Book closed, author firmly stricken from consideration, satisfaction obtained by knowing that I won't have to deal with the same author cheating me on my purchase price a second time.
 

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For me it depends how the cliffhanger is executed. If it is a "You'll have to buy the next book to find out, folks ;)", then you can shove your conclusion where the sun don't shine.

One of the best films I have seen in recent years, Inception, ended with a really clever cliffhanger. For those who don't know the plot, it revolves around a team of thieves who infiltrate the subconscious of a target (to extract valuable information) whilst said target is in a dream state. Because the illusion is so real even the thieves themselves do not know when they are, or as the case may be, are not in the dream state. Therefore, each thief carries a totem, a small object the behavior of which is only predictable to its owner, used to determine whether a dreamer is in someone else's dream. The main characters totem is a spinning top that perpetually spins in the dream state.

At the end of the film the main character is reunited with his children, which has been his ambition and purpose throughout the film, but wants to be sure that he is definitely not still in a dream. He spins his top one last time (and turns to finally embrace his children, walking into the garden with them) but the film cuts to the closing credits from a shot of the top beginning to wobble (but not falling), inviting speculation about whether the final sequence was reality or another dream.

That, for me, was brilliant and had me on the edge of my seat. Director Christopher Nolan later said: "The real point of the scene – and this is what I tell people – is that Cobb isn't looking at the top. He's looking at his kids. He's left it behind. That's the emotional significance of the thing."

That kind of cliffhanger, I can accept wholeheartedly.
 

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For me it depends how the cliffhanger is executed. If it is a "You'll have to buy the next book to find out, folks ;)", then you can shove your conclusion where the sun don't shine.

One of the best films I have seen in recent years, Inception, ended with a really clever cliffhanger. For those who don't know the plot, it revolves around a team of thieves who infiltrate the subconscious of a target (to extract valuable information) whilst said target is in a dream state. Because the illusion is so real even the thieves themselves do not know when they are, or as the case may be, are not in the dream state. Therefore, each thief carries a totem, a small object the behavior of which is only predictable to its owner, used to determine whether a dreamer is in someone else's dream. The main characters totem is a spinning top that perpetually spins in the dream state.

At the end of the film the main character is reunited with his children, which has been his ambition and purpose throughout the film, but wants to be sure that he is definitely not still in a dream. He spins his top one last time (and turns to finally embrace his children, walking into the garden with them) but the film cuts to the closing credits from a shot of the top beginning to wobble (but not falling), inviting speculation about whether the final sequence was reality or another dream.

That, for me, was brilliant and had me on the edge of my seat. Director Christopher Nolan later said: "The real point of the scene – and this is what I tell people – is that Cobb isn't looking at the top. He's looking at his kids. He's left it behind. That's the emotional significance of the thing."

That kind of cliffhanger, I can accept wholeheartedly.

I never even thought of that ending as a cliffhanger. I dunno why, i think i associate cliffhangers with the promise you'll get to see if the guy falls or not. Inception wasn't really leaving it open for a sequel or saying 'to be continued' it was just leaving a major question open to interpretation.

Once Upon A Time In America did the same thing. You never really felt you were being cheated in to buying a sequel.
 

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I loved the ending to Inception. Is it going to fall or isn't it...? Oi!
 

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I've been struggling with this quite a bit lately, because I currently have a story at my hands that might not be doable in one installment and now I am wrecking my brains over the problem how to make the first third at least a stand-alone.

So let's assume that books ends with some secrets revealed, a plot foiled, the "antagonist" presumed dead, and two marriages - but the marriages are not necessarily between people readers might want to see together at this stage; the "antagonist" might actually have a bit of a point and is seen with great ambivalence by the other major characters (some of which might love him just as much as they thread him) and there's tons of forshadowing (prophecies, visions and stuff) that hasn't really paid off yet. Would that be perceived as a cliff-hanger?
 

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The Sopranos did a similar thing with it all just cutting to black. It looked like Tony got smacked but.... There was an assassin in the restaurant but.....
 

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I've certainly got some thinking to do on how I'm going to approach my resolve.
It's clearly obvious that most people dislike the idea of cliffhanging. I'm glad that the responses weren't fifty-fifty.
Thanks again everyone.
 

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Cliff hangers (the really "cliffy" ones, not just loose ends) make me crazy. I won't buy the second book out of the pure, animal rage the cliff hanger causes in me.
 

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The ending needs to give a satisfying emotional resolution.

If you can do that with a cliffhanger, then go for it.

Otherwise, don't.
 

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Frustrating, but only if there's no indication that the book is the first in a series. If I know that ahead of time, then it's fine as long as the story arc of the first book gets resolved, with an overall series arc that will continue. But then, I'd also be more likely to wait for the whole series to be available before buying the first one, depending on my interest level.

That being said, I hate cliffhangers anywhere in the book when they're poorly constructed. I once read a fantasy multi-POV where a chapter about the MC ended on a major cliffhanger, followed by nine -- count them, nine! -- chapters from a minor character's POV before it finally returned to the MC and resolved the cliffhanger. Seriously? I actually skipped ahead to find resolution, then returned to the minor character afterward to catch up. A book should no be so difficult to read!

So...poorly constructed anywhere within the book, including the end, and it's bloodthirst time.
 

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So long as at least some of the plot threads get resolved by the end, I'm happy for others to be held as cliffhangers. But if you keep stringing me along over every plot point, it starts to feel like those TV shows that never resolve anything - where you can tell the people writing it don't have a clear idea how many more seasons they're going to get, and rather than designing a concise plot and ending, they're just going to try to keep everything up in the air in the hopes that they can keep on writing it forever.

See: The Mentalist. I enjoy the show, completely unrealistic popcorn fest that it is, but ye gods I stopped caring about Red John back when the main character
thought he shot him
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Then again, sometimes you resolve the conflict fully at the end of something, only to have to up the stakes next time, which can leave fans feeling like each new threat makes the overall threat level feel diminished (Supernatural feels that way for me, sometimes).
 

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That isn't a cliffhanger. That's an ambiguous ending.

I suppose, strictly speaking, you are correct. I was going with the idea that a cliffhanger leaves the audience in suspense as to its conclusion, which is the result with Inception.

But as kuwisdelu says above, as long as the ending gives a satisfying emotional resolution, which Inception does, then I suppose that's all that matters. Cliffhanger or no cliffhanger.
 

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So let's assume that books ends with some secrets revealed, a plot foiled, the "antagonist" presumed dead, and two marriages - but the marriages are not necessarily between people readers might want to see together at this stage; the "antagonist" might actually have a bit of a point and is seen with great ambivalence by the other major characters (some of which might love him just as much as they thread him) and there's tons of forshadowing (prophecies, visions and stuff) that hasn't really paid off yet. Would that be perceived as a cliff-hanger?

Doesn't sound like one to me. If you wrap up the book's story arc, that can be enough to satisfy the reader.
 

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The ending needs to give a satisfying emotional resolution.

If you can do that with a cliffhanger, then go for it.

Otherwise, don't.

This is the route that I took. Well, attempted to take, I should say. I had no way of avoiding some sort of looming danger apart from murdering my characters, or adding to the story.
 

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I'm fine with a cliffhanger as long as the story doesn't feel unresolved because of it. if I finish a story going, "Well crap" instead of "I wonder what happens next" then it's a problem.
 
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