New generation versus older slang

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DancingMaenid

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I kind of resent the idea that just because someone is young they don't know what any of these things are. I'm in my twenties and while I have my computer, my smartphone and my digital music, I know what a phone booth is, I know what a record is and I've never met anyone, my age or younger, who was confused by analog clocks. Just because something is no longer in general use doesn't mean it immediately slips into oblivion.

I wouldn't say I resent it, but I do find the idea confusing. I'm 24, and I've definitely seen a phone booth. I grew up with land line phones (and still use them as much, if not more than my cell). I grew up with analog watches, and I still own some. I still talk about "hanging up" and "dialing" phones.

Even though technology has changed a lot, I have a hard time imagining that many young adults today have literally grown up without coming across any examples of technology that was common ten or twenty years ago.

In any case, I think slang can still work even if what it originally referred to is obsolete. There are a ton of examples of slang words that now mean something very different than what they meant originally.
 

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How about the fact that we still talk about "hanging up" phones? Oh, and we still "dial" them as well. ;)

Speaking of "dial" -- "Don't touch that dial!"

A "Kodak moment?"

And we still talk about "films" and "filming" things, even though many of those movies are shot on digital cameras now rather than film cameras (not all, though; that's still in transition).

I'm sitting at work right now and all they give is a regular old dial out phone, from the 90's to dial out on for dispatch.

Don't ask what tech company I work for. It will depress you. Also our computers have no way to tell if we are on a call or not.
 

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I remember being quite baffled about what rabbits and pregnancy had to do with each other. What exactly "dog days" were confused me for a long time too. Also I was listening to a Cyndi Lauper song the other day, it had the phrase "the needle clicks", and it took me way too long to figure out it was talking about a record player.
 

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I'm sitting at work right now and all they give is a regular old dial out phone, from the 90's to dial out on for dispatch.

Don't ask what tech company I work for. It will depress you. Also our computers have no way to tell if we are on a call or not.

As long as it's neither Apple nor NASA I'm okie.
 

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I was listening to the BBC World News on the way to work tonight and heard a saying that no one says who is from the Rockies...at least not for a very long time. The anchor (hey, new anchor but I still hear that phrase...usually from news anchors), said a common saying was "Water's for drinkin and Whiskey's for fighting".

First of all, no one says that. And it's a misquote from Mark Twain that Mark Twain never actually said. It's like that first Iron Chef with an American Chef. The look on his face when the Chairman says, when we think of California, we think of lobster, was priceless.

I was trying to think of things my daughter wouldn't know...teenagers in our area right now tend to mix words together for slang...ridonkculous instead of ridiculous, confuzzled, instead of confused. Or shorten words that are already short. Cray instead of Crazy. Since I've heard this on the TV she watches and on the radio...I'm sure that's where she gets it from.

I'm drawing a blank on things she wouldn't know. We set up an old Nintendo the other day and I had to explain there were a few games we had to play straight through and if we messed up or quit we had to start over. She was shocked...but older than that? She's never had trouble with Police Box, she's seen enough Dr Who to figure it (both old and new episodes).

A lot of probably has to do with she spends a lot of time with MY grandparents. So she sees a lot of things most kids wouldn't, like corded telephones, answering machines, blenders that boil soup for you. Having said that, I know from calling out that plenty of people still use answering machines and I can tell when I get one vs when I get voicemail. Hrm...what else...

Encyclopedias. That's a big one. Most kids I've met from 5-18 recently haven't ever seen a set. (scary I would have thought they would have). I have two old sets. One from the 70's, which every time some one asks me why I keep them I pulled down two volumes, one with the entry for Human and one for the entry for Clothes.
Human has a very detailed, layered on plastic film, rendering of the human body that you can take apart layer by layer. It's amazing and has already got three generations, including my daughter, through anatomy. And clothing...pages and pages of examples of clothing throughout human history. How it was worn, why and what for, how to put it on and take it off...dates and even designers.

The other set is from the 30's. It provides hours of entertainment every time some one asks, "I wonder if they had that back then."
 

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They're called albums because they were originally stored that way. I used to have a first edition of the original Broadway cast recording of Oklahoma! There were, for the sake of argument, 14 songs, two on each Gramophone disk. The seven disks were stored in paper sleeves held in an album. Hence, "record albums".

Point being, I think the word "album" has evolved to mean any kind of collection of media, regardless of how it's physically stored. This is how it's defined in my dictionary, which is why I don't think it's really dated in the same way the other examples are, since it's not an idiom, it's just a word with multiple definitions.
 

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I think album meant a collection of media before it was used to refer to a set of songs released on an LP vinyl disc.
 

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How about mind your Ps and Qs? Originated in drinking pubs when proproiters would remind patrons to mind their pints and quarts they adding to the tab.

Also one I keep saying and my kids keep reminding me I'm old, roll down your window.
 

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Lots of phrases that are in current use are actually pretty old. Many British ones came from our sea-going days*, and we haven't exactly got that so much any more. Just because they make no literal sense any more (or not unless you know the origin), doesn't stop people using them. Actually, even when they're current a lot make little to no sense...

*By and large, shake a leg, three sheets to the wind, the bitter end, in the offing, hard and fast, chock-a-block...

This. We'll end up with new idioms to add on, but a lot of what you're talking about strike me as more idiomatic than slang. As someone who often tries to teach idioms to foreign speakers, I can say that an awful lot of what we say in very common, everyday language makes zero sense. We use it all the time because we know that combination of words means something. Think about phrases like "take it with a grain of salt," or "hear it straight from the horse's mouth." Do you actually know why we say those?

There are plenty of things in modern English that don't make sense in a technical sense because we've moved away from the things that gave them context. That doesn't mean the phrases can't be understood or used.
 

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How about mind your Ps and Qs? Originated in drinking pubs when proproiters would remind patrons to mind their pints and quarts they adding to the tab.

Also one I keep saying and my kids keep reminding me I'm old, roll down your window.
In the days of hand-set printing presses, you had to mind your lower case P's and Q's, thusly: p q Easy to get them mixed up, no?
 

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While it's fun to reminisce (as well as puff out our chests at how advanced we are), there is a serious writing issue involved (remember when "issue" meant controversial proposal or situation?).

If we want to skew lower in the demo, don't we want to write like people talk? Especially dialogue?

I'd be willing to guess that less than 5% of novels today refer to people texting (gosh-a-mighty, I just got the red underline for misspelling, for using "texting") or Photoshopping (no, that doesn't mean looking for pictures), or even downloading.
 

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While it's fun to reminisce (as well as puff out our chests at how advanced we are), there is a serious writing issue involved (remember when "issue" meant controversial proposal or situation?).

If we want to skew lower in the demo, don't we want to write like people talk? Especially dialogue?

I'd be willing to guess that less than 5% of novels today refer to people texting (gosh-a-mighty, I just got the red underline for misspelling, for using "texting") or Photoshopping (no, that doesn't mean looking for pictures), or even downloading.

As to your last point, I don't use any of those three words daily myself. Maybe text, but it'd generally be covered by 'let me know!' or some such. I use them but no more often that I might say any other technological thing, like 'food processor.'

In addition, in the fairly near future, when those things too are obsolete, having lots of reference to them would make a novel sound dated.
 

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While it's fun to reminisce (as well as puff out our chests at how advanced we are), there is a serious writing issue involved (remember when "issue" meant controversial proposal or situation?).

If we want to skew lower in the demo, don't we want to write like people talk? Especially dialogue?

I'd be willing to guess that less than 5% of novels today refer to people texting (gosh-a-mighty, I just got the red underline for misspelling, for using "texting") or Photoshopping (no, that doesn't mean looking for pictures), or even downloading.

I don't think I get this? I actually have characters text each other, and I never send texts myself. I hate the darn things. I'm fairly certain they've talked about photoshopped pictures, and yes, they download things when applicable. If my characters would do these things, why not include it? They're common parts of most people's lives.

ETA: When did "issue" stop meaning controversial situation? I use it that way all the time, and so do others I know.
 

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Phrases like 'by and large' have survived the demise of the RN sailing vessel, by and large....
 

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A few months ago I ran into this sort of thing. My daughter was reading a very old sf story for a class. We found it amusing, since it was about children in the future being educated at home through computer teachers, and here she was, being educated at home taking classes through her computer. Just one thing hung her up completely. "Mom, what are punch cards, and why do the kids need them to talk to the computer?"
 
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In addition, in the fairly near future, when those things too are obsolete, having lots of reference to them would make a novel sound dated.

I don't get this. Do some authors really think they're novel needs to take place in a perpetual "present"?

Do such authors avoid references to cars for fear a hypothetical future reader wonders why it doesn't fly?
 

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... "cha ching cha ching."
Few cash registers about these days that make that sound.
(And yet the expression is still in vogue.)
(Actually, it recently entered the modern lexicon if I'm not mistaken.)
(Go figure. :Shrug: )
 

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While it's fun to reminisce (as well as puff out our chests at how advanced we are), there is a serious writing issue involved (remember when "issue" meant controversial proposal or situation?).

If we want to skew lower in the demo, don't we want to write like people talk? Especially dialogue?

I'd be willing to guess that less than 5% of novels today refer to people texting (gosh-a-mighty, I just got the red underline for misspelling, for using "texting") or Photoshopping (no, that doesn't mean looking for pictures), or even downloading.

If your genre is modern enough to include those things, sure. I read a manuscript as a literary agent's intern that referred to Facebook way too often. I've been on Facebook since 2004 and it was weird to read it being used by the protagonist in the ms.

I write historical fiction. Like, when steam engines were a big deal.

I'm 27 years old. I text and I have an iPhone, iPod, and Kindle. I spend too much time on my laptop. But my reading tastes run more toward the historical, so I could care less whether texting or downloading or buffering are mentioned in a book. I don't think mentioning any of those things necessarily makes a book skew lower in a demographic.

Us twenty-somethings are not all the same.
 

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I was a teacher until recently, am now retired.

But when I taught I used (at the same time) textbooks and a whiteboard, and a smartboard along with individual blackboard slates. I had a game we could only play on an overhead projector, and though the school didn't provide a laptop or tablet for every student (most had one or the other or both at home), the school had two 'regular computer' labs, and two which which were 'laptop' labs. I gave ordinary paper quizzes and tests - as well as those which had to be taken online.

In science we did virtual labs; we also did labs where we sat on the floor using cars with roller skate wheels. We blew up Hydrogen gas, then watched videos showing scientists doing the same thing on Youtube. We drew atoms on the (ordinary) white board in outrageous colors, then compared them to scientific illustrations in a text, and on the internet (via the smartboard.)

Point is, what works, works. We've always been a culture where technologies overlap, the new and the old. Some of the old stuff fades away; the new replaces it. But sometimes the new ain't so hot, so we go back to the old. (In my house I have modern furniture and a few antique pieces. What works, works.)

Language is the same way. Some of the old stuff sticks around; some of the new is new for a year, then forgotten. But who says, "She's the cat's pajamas," anymore? Or, "Wow, that's swell." If you're writing takes place in the 1940's, both expressions might sound natural. (Or if your great-grandmother is commenting on how great you look.)

Here's an expression which has been around a long time, but sounds fairly modern, "Okay."

And as someone wrote in this thread, you shouldn't be worried about 'dating' your story/novel. The moment you write it, it's dated already. If it needs to be set in a certain era, try to be true to that era, but if it's set in the 'present,' the present becomes the past before you know it.
 
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