Or it could very well be that Michelle M Pillow demanded her rights back of her own accord (not surprising, given what they're doing to their authors) and the posting on the site is NCP's answer to a rights reversion letter.
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Or their way of saying 'don't renew your contract and we will attempt to brand you with a scarlet letter'. A strategy they seem to be persisting with and adding new names despite that it doesn't seem to be helping their public image at all.
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If that's truly NCP's intention, veinglory, they're only going to drive more and more of their top-selling authors away. Michelle M Pillow has strong relationships with many other reputable e- and print pubs (including mine, Virgin) so she should have no problem getting those works published again by pubs who will actually pay royalties in full and on time and aren't run by a bunch of schizo-psychotics.
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I'm so bad.
I just queried them yesterday and then found this thread.
GULP.
Is no author happy with them?
I guess I'll pass on them if they bite on my letter.
Too bad.
I just queried them yesterday and then found this thread.
GULP.
Is no author happy with them?
I guess I'll pass on them if they bite on my letter.
Too bad.
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Bumping this thread to let everyone know more authors have been added to their "Public Notice," including me.
I hadn't asked for rights back since I write more sweet and inspy stuff now, but something made me go look and saw a batch of new authors released.
http://www.newconceptspublishing.com/publicnotice.htm
I hadn't asked for rights back since I write more sweet and inspy stuff now, but something made me go look and saw a batch of new authors released.
http://www.newconceptspublishing.com/publicnotice.htm
Totally stupid question, but what exactly does it mean, "Reversion of Rights"? And is that a good thing or a bad thing?
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It means that the publisher gives you your rights back to the work, and then you can go off and license it to another publisher, and NCP can no longer sell or distribute your work. It's a good thing if you want out of your contract and want to "sell" your book to another publisher!
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General it is 'return of rights' if they are given back before the term of the contract ends. 'Reversion of rights' is when the contract ends and is not renewed.
Thank you, Erin and Veinglory. I"m pretty dumb when it comes to stuff like this. I once told my husband I know a lot of usless stuff and very little practical or important stuff.
If you need a partner for Cash Cab, Jeopardy or Trivial Pursuit, I'm all over it. But I'm totally lost on the ins and outs of publishing (or business in general).
If you need a partner for Cash Cab, Jeopardy or Trivial Pursuit, I'm all over it. But I'm totally lost on the ins and outs of publishing (or business in general).
http://www.newconceptspublishing.com/
If there is a thread started, I'm sorry. But I couldn't find it in a search.
Does anybody know about this publisher?
If there is a thread started, I'm sorry. But I couldn't find it in a search.
Does anybody know about this publisher?
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My pleasure! I enjoyed rereading the thread - New Concepts Publishing is as much of a trainwreck as I remembered. 
Yeah they asked for my full ms and I think I am going to pass on it.
Glad I checked it out first.
Glad I checked it out first.
I did...they looked good to me at first. Sorry if I don't do background checks on every one. I only look into them further if they are interested.
No, if you'd checked them out first, you never would have wasted your time submitting.
It really is a waste of time to sub to houses that you end up not sending your work to.
And if you do a bit of research before hand, you'll come up with a list of places worth submitting to and never have to worry about it again.
It really is a waste of time to sub to houses that you end up not sending your work to.
And if you do a bit of research before hand, you'll come up with a list of places worth submitting to and never have to worry about it again.
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You know, being published means absolutely nothing if it's with a house that will publish anything. Just saying.
[edited out the rest, as there's obviously little point to repeating it yet again.]
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I thought they were pretty good when I first pubbed with them, but that was over 10 years ago now. It's been downhill since, from what I've seen. (have my rights back)
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New Concepts Publishing. Link here.
They've been around a long time, according to their 'About' section: "the first totally electronic romance publishing house, was established in the spring of 1996."
I briefly looked through threads and couldn't find anything on them here. Anyone have books or experience with them? There's some rumbling dissatisfaction on another online forum, but it's not my place to reveal it yet.
New Concepts Publishing. Link here.
They've been around a long time, according to their 'About' section: "the first totally electronic romance publishing house, was established in the spring of 1996."
I briefly looked through threads and couldn't find anything on them here. Anyone have books or experience with them? There's some rumbling dissatisfaction on another online forum, but it's not my place to reveal it yet.
You know, I swear I didn't find it in the index when I first looked. Probably not enough coffee. Anyway, the things currently being bitched about are the same issues from a few years ago - rights reversion and non-communication.
Just a warning out there - if you are offered a contract by NCP, don't touch it. I signed with them for a single book in 2006. Book was issued in 2007, sales have never been good. I asked for reversion of rights in 2011/2012, but they offered a new cover - which I agreed to. I did not, however, agree to a new title, which is what they also tweaked. I then asked for reversion of rights a couple of times in 2014 and last year. This Friday, I received a couple of incredibly rude and condescending letters from Madris de Pasture, the CEO (and one of the main writers, I believe), and eventually, the rights revert to me in 60 days. Yay. Will revise, edit and republish under the original name with a new cover and my own blurb. My favourite part of the exchange with Madris was this:
The letter WAS your reversion letter and it's all you'll get. You're exactly the type of author I was referring to--someone who believes a publisher with a 'viable brand and platform' can make the public buy something they don't want.
The 'insulting and condescending' tone was one last stab at explaining to authors that the story they'd written didn't reflect anyone's lack of abilities or creativity but rather a bad choice of story line--if you refuse to learn from mistakes you'll never make it as a professional author.
The 'dressing up' refers to the packaging--and yes we did make a second try to promote/market the book and it was no more effective, so it was a waste of our time and an expense we could have spared ourselves and should have given your attitude and the fact that the book tanked and never made back the initial investment. Books that sell--sell, even with ugly covers--and that was the ONLY point I was trying to make. Your book was available pretty much everywhere books are sold and it underperformed most of the books we have. I'm going to be amazed if you take it to a 'better' publisher and they make any money BECAUSE THEY WILL BE USING THE EXACT SAME DISTRIBUTION NETWORK as we have used.
Best of luck! And when it makes the bestseller list and makes you and your new publisher money, be sure to brag to me. I'd love to see if anyone else can sell it and how they did it. It might help in the future. I do believe in trying to learn from my mistakes.
What makes me laugh is that last Oct, an agent from Blake Friedman offered to represent me and I also sold a YA trilogy to a publisher, first volume coming out this April.
So in sum, my experience with NCP: no editorial support, no marketing support, no real information. They knew that I used a pen name, that was all in the contract - and they made out all the royalty cheques that I was paid in my writing name, not my actual name, so nothing could be cashed. All returned, but no new cheques ever cut. I didn't make a fuss because the sums were so pitiful. However, what I really love about this letter is that it is clearly all my fault, stoopid writer that I am, for writing a rubbish book...not hers for offering a contract for this dreadfully bad story....
Funnily enough, I haven't heard back from her. One to avoid.
The letter WAS your reversion letter and it's all you'll get. You're exactly the type of author I was referring to--someone who believes a publisher with a 'viable brand and platform' can make the public buy something they don't want.
The 'insulting and condescending' tone was one last stab at explaining to authors that the story they'd written didn't reflect anyone's lack of abilities or creativity but rather a bad choice of story line--if you refuse to learn from mistakes you'll never make it as a professional author.
The 'dressing up' refers to the packaging--and yes we did make a second try to promote/market the book and it was no more effective, so it was a waste of our time and an expense we could have spared ourselves and should have given your attitude and the fact that the book tanked and never made back the initial investment. Books that sell--sell, even with ugly covers--and that was the ONLY point I was trying to make. Your book was available pretty much everywhere books are sold and it underperformed most of the books we have. I'm going to be amazed if you take it to a 'better' publisher and they make any money BECAUSE THEY WILL BE USING THE EXACT SAME DISTRIBUTION NETWORK as we have used.
Best of luck! And when it makes the bestseller list and makes you and your new publisher money, be sure to brag to me. I'd love to see if anyone else can sell it and how they did it. It might help in the future. I do believe in trying to learn from my mistakes.
What makes me laugh is that last Oct, an agent from Blake Friedman offered to represent me and I also sold a YA trilogy to a publisher, first volume coming out this April.
So in sum, my experience with NCP: no editorial support, no marketing support, no real information. They knew that I used a pen name, that was all in the contract - and they made out all the royalty cheques that I was paid in my writing name, not my actual name, so nothing could be cashed. All returned, but no new cheques ever cut. I didn't make a fuss because the sums were so pitiful. However, what I really love about this letter is that it is clearly all my fault, stoopid writer that I am, for writing a rubbish book...not hers for offering a contract for this dreadfully bad story....
Funnily enough, I haven't heard back from her. One to avoid.
Mods, this one should probably be moved here: <snipped>
I'm very sad to hear about your experience, Brusselsprout. And very glad to hear you found better support!
I'm very sad to hear about your experience, Brusselsprout. And very glad to hear you found better support!
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