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Just got a request for the full from Kate Folkers after sending the query on April 19. She asked if there were any other agents reading but didn't mention an exclusive. Looks like they have quite a few sales and she definitely has an impressive background in publishing. I'm going for it!
 

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I was wondering if anyone knows the protocol for following-up on a full request with this agency. It says on the website to allow a three week exclusive. So I was just curious if six weeks is too soon to bother an agent, even with an e-mail to confirm if the manuscript was received. I'm very new to this whole process so any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 

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Midnight: If you agreed to a three-week exclusive, you should nudge. Exclusives are pretty rare these days, and you shouldn't allow them to hold you hostage past the agreed-to time frame.
 

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Midnight: If you agreed to a three-week exclusive, you should nudge. Exclusives are pretty rare these days, and you shouldn't allow them to hold you hostage past the agreed-to time frame.

Actually, she didn't mention an exclusive in her query response... just requested a full at my convenience. I'm debating how to proceed based on my research alone with both the website and the agent. It appears that this agency is really good at getting back to writers within three weeks, like their website states. I just don't want to come across the wrong way by nudging too soon.
 

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I just submitted to this agency but now see it is not recommended by P&E. On the website I noted (after submission unfortunately) editorial services - $500.00 to be exact. This seems like a big conflict of interest and per P&E:

Not recommended. Editing conflict.
 

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Kdesanges, if you look early on in the thread, they are adamant that they don't charge fees of any kind. I'm not saying that advertising their editorial services on the same site isn't a conflict, however, since I'm not a lawyer.
 

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Thanks, I read the thread and I see where this is addressed. They seem like a good agency otherwise, so I am glad to see that the use of their editorial services is not a requirement.
 

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If you are thinking of querying this agency, you might want to know that this is part of their standard contract which I was told is non-negotiable, regarding their commission:

fifteen percent (15%) deducted from the first advance check and all future royalty checks, with a guarantee of no less than a $2500 commission fee against any advance. In the unlikely event of a lower sale, author shall not be required to pay out of pocket minimum commission fee.

I was surprised by this - for one thing, the whole advance for my previous novel had been only $1000, and even if the agent placed the next one with a bigger publisher I wasn't sure I could expect a whole lot more than that. And for another, I have seen (and signed, long story, sigh) more than one other agent contract and they did not have minimum commissions.

It might be worth it to you anyway and honestly given that I am not stupid enough to be writing fiction to try to put food on the table, I might have decided the hell with the non-standard nature of the deal and gone ahead with it. But then the agent said she'd reconsidered and thought I should find an agent with broader interests so that was the end of that.

Anyway, I think it all might have gone down differently if this hadn't been a surprise so I thought the information would be useful to others.
 

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a guarantee of no less than a $2500 commission fee against any advance.
Ahhh...this explains much. I made an offer on one of her client's manuscripts, and she made absolutely no effort to negotiate the contract, and instead replied that the contract was "too egregious" to consider. I found that odd considering it's the same contract we have used with our other authors who are very well represented. It was puzzling because it's a good, fair contract. But now I see that she was slamming the door because our $5k advance was too low. Maybe now she'll take me off her spam list.
 

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It looks like Bree Ogden has left MLM to join the D43O Literary Agency. The bio on her blog says:

Bree Ogden is the newest addition to D4EO Literary Agency, after having been an associate literary agent at Martin Literary Management for nearly 2 years representing children’s, YA, and graphic novels.
 

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If you are thinking of querying this agency, you might want to know that this is part of their standard contract which I was told is non-negotiable, regarding their commission:

Whoa--another one! That makes three that I know of so far (Andrea Hurst and Michael Ebeling are the other two).

Would you please PM me? Thanks.

- Victoria
 

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Martin Literary Management

Kate Folkers has apparently left MLM too, although I don't know where. I just received a courteous rejection from Andrew Wetzel, who is reviewing submissions made to their "former colleague Kate Folkers."
 

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Just read through this thread and came to a conclusion.

I might have been able to overlook the things in question here. I see the issue with an agency selling editoral work but as long as they aren't trying to push their clients to pay for that editing then as a client it wouldn't be a big deal and might have been something I'd be willing to overlook for a good agency (maybe). And the exclusive is no problem at all. Some writers may not like it but that's their problem.

This however.

"This message has been deleted by martinliterary. Reason: Unneccesary controvery caused by argumentitive writers "

Is the reason I won't touch this agency.

I won't say much more than that. They just don't seem much like an "open minded" bunch, do they? Hm.
 

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Hey guys, any new developments with these guys?

I was thinking of querying Andrew Wetzel 'cause he seems like a good fit, but the agency rep is a bit worrisome, along with the fact that the submission guidelines ask for a 3 week exclusive for fiction. Dude, books don't take 3 weeks to read! That just seems a little long to me...
 

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Martin Literary Management Reply to Writers

Dear Writers:

I'd like to take this time to address some of the concerns and misconceptions about my agency.

Firstly, because we were commissioned to write a book for Writer's Digest (Publish Your Nonfiction Book) we receive many queries for evaluations, editing services for manuscripts and ghostwriting referrals. As such, we do offer those services but they are totally OPTIONAL and not a requirement for representation at all. We created this service based on requests--it certainly is not representative of our bread and butter. We do NOT, however, offer any self publishing services (which many agencies are providing now and don't seem to have suffered the BEWARE notation from this website). I fail to see how there can't be a conflict of interest between an agency that is supposed to represent a writer for commercial publication and one that takes their money for self publishing (which the writer can easily do themselves). Since the average self published book sells 100 copies, I still fail to understand why MLM is blackballed on this site for recommending highly qualified editors and ghostwriters, and those agencies that offer to take writers money for self publishing are not.

Also, we do have a minimum fee of $2500 because very occasionally we'll take on a writer who we really believe has potential, and work sometimes as long as six months to get them a publisher where the advance may be less than $16,000. The writer above mentioned getting $1000 for his advance for a novel and frankly we can't work for months on end for $150 commission. So, this allows us to be fairly compensated in the unlikely event we can't get the advance to a number of $16K. However, this is a very rare occurance. The last two deals we made for clients were a 7 figure advance and just last week a mid six figure. Obviously, those aren't the norm but neither is our need to impose a minimum fee.

Lastly, regarding our previous agents--Kate Folkers was with MLM for one year and recently moved with her family back to the NY area and is now in a high level full time position in NYC with Perseus. She has returned to her roots in Sales & Marketing. Bree Ogden left MLM to go to D4EO after three years with us. It was a mutual decision as our model didn't fit her genre interests. We wish her well. Andrew Wetzel regretfully left as of Sept. 2012 because he couldn't make a living as an agent.....and I'm sorry to see him go.

If there is ever an issue that you have with my agency, feel free to email me directly. There is a lot of misrepresentation on blogs, websites, etc. and I welcome the opportunity to set the record straight should you not feel comfortable in querying us. I admit--we're not the right agency for every writer--but I urge you to go on our website and see what our clients do say about us on the testimonial page. Their words are verbatim and say volumes more than I could ever on this page.

All the best to each and every one of you in pursuit of your writing dreams. No one came out of the womb a published writer and some one is responsible for giving them that first chance....I hope each and every one of you find your "someone."

And Absolute Writer webmaster-I sincerly wish you'd agree to have a conversation with me and remove our "black mark" against our agency based on your imposed rules that are no longer industry standard in this everchanging landscape of publishing.
Sharlene Martin
www.MartinLiteraryManagement.com
 
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Update on Martin Literary Management

I wanted to advise you that Andrew Wetzel is no longer with Martin Literary Management and we have returned to being strictly a nonfiction agency.
 

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Like many other agencies, we offer options for writers as well as representation. None of our options are required however. If some one is looking for a tried and true editor to help polish their manuscript, or a ghostwriter to help write a book proposal, we have screened out the best and can recommend them. However, it is ALWAYS AT THE REQUEST of the writer. We have been given a NOT RECOMMEND by P&E and Absolute Write for this option. Now Simon and Schuster is charging up to $25,000 to self publish books. I'd say the world of publishing is changing and people shouldn't be so quick to judge services that are available and determine that makes an agency a bad choice. http://www.mediabistro.com/galleycat/simon-schuster-opens-self-publishing-service_b61444
 

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Like many other agencies, we offer options for writers as well as representation. None of our options are required however. If some one is looking for a tried and true editor to help polish their manuscript, or a ghostwriter to help write a book proposal, we have screened out the best and can recommend them. However, it is ALWAYS AT THE REQUEST of the writer. We have been given a NOT RECOMMEND by P&E and Absolute Write for this option. Now Simon and Schuster is charging up to $25,000 to self publish books. I'd say the world of publishing is changing and people shouldn't be so quick to judge services that are available and determine that makes an agency a bad choice. http://www.mediabistro.com/galleycat/simon-schuster-opens-self-publishing-service_b61444

Hi Sharlene! *waves from a place not so far away*

I mostly lurk here and am by no means an Absolute Write specialist, but I don't think they GIVE any kind of rating. It's just a discussion board. Anything about MLM should be limited to these pages here. I don't believe you're marked "not recommended" anywhere. (If i'm wrong, someone point me in that direction?)

I think where folks' nervousness comes from is because if you're looking at it from the author's pOV, an agent is an author's partner, looking out for the author's best interests at all times, and that doesn't always make an agent rich (and I know that first hand), but that an author needs a true partner and advocate who is looking out for them as #1. I don't know enough about your business model to know whether anything you do is a conflict and I don't intend to say in my comment that you're doing ANYTHING wrong, merely to help you understand--since I'm both an agent and an author-- why perhaps people are reluctant and/or may believe there are potential for conflicts. You're clearly VERY successful with some huge books, so you know what you're doing, it just comes down to authors who haven't worked with you deciding, based upon the facts available, if they want to query you. I don't think it's that folks are "quick to judge," they're just trying to share the information they have and discuss it, and it's great that you can set the record straight.

Firstly, this:
We do NOT, however, offer any self publishing services (which many agencies are providing now and don't seem to have suffered the BEWARE notation from this website). I fail to see how there can't be a conflict of interest between an agency that is supposed to represent a writer for commercial publication and one that takes their money for self publishing (which the writer can easily do themselves). Since the average self published book sells 100 copies, I still fail to understand why MLM is blackballed on this site for recommending highly qualified editors and ghostwriters, and those agencies that offer to take writers money for self publishing are not.

Yes, many agencies have evolved to include this option for existing clients. That's the key difference between what some may be taking issue with and what you feel is a similar issue. If I have an existing client who decides they want to self publish, they are welcome to do so on their own without my involvement and I take no commission. I still represent them and I still hope to sell future books to publishers. IF they specifically request assistance with self-publishing I'll explain the difference and we can discuss how much involvement they want with me vs what they want to do on their own. With agencies who have self-publishing arms, i am not aware of any agency who operates any differently than that-- if they have a self-publishing arm, it is the client's choice to utilize those services or go it alone, and their choice does not effect their continued partnership with the agency. (And I think we can agree that few agents would push any client to go self-publishing at all when they'd rather sell their books to a big publisher for larger advances, distribution, etc.)

I think what makes people squeamish is when an agency offers paid services to Non-Clients who may or may not later become clients, because there are so many writers who are desperate for an agent that a writer may very well see a paid way of gaining an agent. Pay for the evalutions, the edits, etc, and maybe that agent will sign you. It's a slippery slope, and I think that's really what the alarm bells are about. It's kind of a bummer since agents often do need to supplement their income and they're in such a great position to give good advice, but most agents and agencies resist this aspect simply because of the can of worms it could open-- what if you reject people with a letter directing them to paid services? Is this a conflict (or at least in poor taste?-- to profit from rejected writers?). Or what if you get a paid editorial client whose project you love? do you reject the payment and just sign them and give them what you give all clients? Or do you accept the payment first then sign them? (and all these "yous" I'm saying here, I mean generic, not MLM.)

These are the things smart writers are trying to discuss and learn about and make sure THEY are not being taken advantage of, and thus discussion boards are born.

And finally, I'm not as established as you, so I don't have as big of a list as you, but I did in fact spend over a year working on a debut novel which required rounds of in depth revision because I believed in the book and the author. It sold to a well-respected independent publisher. The agency commission was less than a $1000, well under your minimum of $2500-- in fact if our agency followed yours and required our commission be paid within the first payment completely, her ENTIRE on-signing check would have been my commission. At 98% of agencies, we receive 15% of each advance payment/royalty payment, and it's the chance we take, and authors know that that's the standard approach, so deviating from the standard set by most other agencies will indeed raise some eyebrows. That's a simple fact. Authors clearly know this up front and choose to sign, and that's the beauty of it. If you want to charge that and the authors are comfortable, there's no need to defend it, but you do have to recognize why folks here may choose not to query for that reason. It's kind of a bummer, though, that you require exclusivity because what you get is authors scared that they have a bird in the hand and if they let it go they won't find any in the bush. They may accept the term out of fear, not because they're comfortable with it.


And again, Sharlene, as everyone here can tell simply by looking at your website, you're very good at what you do, you've sold a lot of books (some for a whole lot of money), and that track record speaks to your abilities. But I can't help but play devil's advocate (Or, actually, author's advocate) and explain why it is that some are questioning things-- not to blare alarms, but because they actually are seeking answers. It's part of their research and they're working to learn what agencies they want to query. Every agent I know preaches at conferences and twitter that authors should research agencies as much as possible, so they're really following our own advice. Damn near every agency in existence has a thread on this board, not because writers want to point fingers at anything, but so that authors can learn who it is they are querying before they send the query.
 

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Also, we do have a minimum fee of $2500 because very occasionally we'll take on a writer who we really believe has potential, and work sometimes as long as six months to get them a publisher where the advance may be less than $16,000. The writer above mentioned getting $1000 for his advance for a novel and frankly we can't work for months on end for $150 commission. So, this allows us to be fairly compensated in the unlikely event we can't get the advance to a number of $16K. However, this is a very rare occurance. The last two deals we made for clients were a 7 figure advance and just last week a mid six figure. Obviously, those aren't the norm but neither is our need to impose a minimum fee....

Sharlene Martin
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After removing P&E's "not recommended," I happened to come across this in your own words from just above. My question is whether the fee is asked for in advance or a minimum to be met upon closing the sale?
 

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Our minimum fee

We NEVER charge any monies up front for representation. We have a minimum commission because we rep many debut authors who may not command big advances on their first book, but MAY, down the road become successful.... If their advance is not more than $16,000, or if we sell a book for $1000, they never repay our fee out of pocket. It is taken out of future royalties, some which never are earned and we don't bill them for it. It is our way of extending our services and getting paid a reasonable fee for the amount of work, guidance and mentoring we give our clients --especially those who are new to publishing. Check our testimonial pages and see what they say about MLM. And Dave, thanks for removing the Not Recommended status......It is much appreciated.
 

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I welcome authors to go to our website and check us out fully. If they don't agree with our terms, we're absolutely fine with them seeking representation elsewhere. We realize we may not be the right fit for all as we're a bit "unconventional" in the way we do business, but our model works well for us in this ever changing publishing environment. In fact, I would welcome potential writers contacting those clients on our testimonial page to determine if they're happy with MLM. That's why we list their contact info there....
Thank you Mandy for your comments. I wish you well in both your career as an agent and as an author.
 

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Martin Literary & Media Management has opened a Children's Division helmed by Clelia Gore. I hope you will check out our website and if your work fits her preferences, query her directly. She is actively acquiring new clients in Y/A, N/A, Children's books, and Picture Books. www.MartinLiteraryManagement.com