POV and death - would this be jarring?

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Would be grateful for anyone's opinion on a scene that I'm struggling with.

Scene Setting: two characters holed up in temporary safety, looking out at terrain filled with monsters. One is the MC. The other is a minor character, an ally who is introduced and killed in this early chapter.

Scene Summary: They argue about whether they can make it through the dangerous terrain. MC says they should stick where they are and wait for help. Ally says he has a wife and kids and must get to them. MC decides to stick, while Ally makes a run for it. Ally doesn't get far before he is caught and killed.

I wrote this scene from the Point of View of the MC. Her opinion is that her ally isn't thinking straight due to his desperation to reach his family. But of course she's guessing at his inner turmoil, which diminishes the emotional impact.

So I'm thinking what if I write the scene from the POV of the minor character, tormented by thoughts of what his family might be suffering. Finally he makes a bolt for it, leaving the MC behind. Then I'd switch POV and the next scene is the MC watching him nearly make it but get taken down.

But I'm wondering if that would be very jarring to read? It's an early chapter, 4-5 paragraphs from POV of a minor character, then switch POV, bang, he's dead.

I'm doing Nano so I won't try writing the alternative version until next month. Just looking for anyone's thoughts about POV and death, especially when it's a minor character whose function is primarily to illustrate how dangerous the situation is for the MC.
 

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As long as the MC has already been established as the MC and the scene from the minor character POV is relatively short, then it would probably work. If the scene is fairly long, then establishing cut-backs to the MCs thoughts/action would keep her in the reader's mind.

Just my 2p
 

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I'm not a fan of changing POVs in works other than epic in proportion, or prologues and epilogues. I would think you can show the reader Ally's desperation through the eyes of the viewpoint character, staying in the one POV.

After all, movies do it all the time. The audience knows only what they see and hear. If your fiction were on the screen, how would the audience know how Ally feels and what he plans to do?

Write that, as seen through the MC's eyes.

Maryn, not the ultimate authority, just opinionated
 

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Thanks, Barking Tree and Maryn. Two somewhat different opinions, but at least that makes me feel not so bad about being unsure!
 

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Eh, I'm not crazy about Red Shirt scenes, which is what this sounds like, but they're fairly common especially in the horror/thriller type story you seem to be writing here.

When it comes to POV issues, however, I agree with Maryn that it's better to stick with just one. Unless this is your opening scene. Again, opening with Red Shirts is fairly common for this type of story, but if that's what you're going for you should be okay using this character--and his POV--to show us the danger he's in before you put your MC into it.

Just my two cents.

Also: check out some Bentley Little. His book The Town is FILLED with Red Shirt scenes and alternating POVs. (That being why I got annoyed and didn't finish it, but he's a big name in the genre. Just not my cuppa.)
 

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This strikes me as being similar to the advice I've seen around about naming every minor character. (The advice being, if they're in only briefly - don't bother)

So - If your minor character is really only in this scene, don't switch to story telling from his point of view.

It has nothing to do with genre, everything to do with keeping things clear for your reader and not misleading them.

Good luck with Nano!
 

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Thanks, Rhoda and Nekko. Food for thought. Thinking on my own reading, I guess it's not uncommon in thrillers/mysteries for an early POV from the main victim - but then although they're dead, they're a main focus for the rest of the novel.

My case is different, a guy who appears and disappears like a jack-in-the-box, I think I'd find that a bit annoying myself.

Rhoda, I'll check out Little. I'd heard he might be a bit hard-core for my tastes, but I do need to be aware of the big names.

Nekko, I'll check out your SYW this evening.
 

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^Hard-core? *thinks* Yeah, I guess so. Not as much as King or Ketchum, IMO, but sure, he's up there. Anyway, for the purpose of your research, you could easily just read a couple chapters to see that Character Who Dies To Show Us How Scary The Monsters Are scene and move on from there.
 

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I think it would work & third person limited allows for it.

The way I would approach it would be to split the chapter into two scenes:

* first scene and opening from disposable characters point of view up until she is attacked/fails.

then cut to

* Second scene, have the main character observe what happens and continue from there.

EDIT: Oh, and I just wanted to add. I do agree that if its a minor character it might not be worth the effort for the effect.

So think deeply about what this character represents to the story.

Is this the first demonstration of what monsters can do? Does the main character also have people he needs to rescue? would this act as a warning to him? Are they just a redshirt added for body count?
 
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I think it would work & third person limited allows for it.

The way I would approach it would be to split the chapter into two scenes:

* first scene and opening from disposable characters point of view up until she is attacked/fails.

then cut to

* Second scene, have the main character observe what happens and continue from there.

EDIT: Oh, and I just wanted to add. I do agree that if its a minor character it might not be worth the effort for the effect.

So think deeply about what this character represents to the story.

Is this the first demonstration of what monsters can do? Does the main character also have people he needs to rescue? would this act as a warning to him? Are they just a redshirt added for body count?

To answer the questions at the end of this interesting post:
Yes, its' the first demo to the MC of what monsters can do.
Yes, MC has people she needs to rescue.
Yes, it's a warning.
So with those answers, I'm not sure if that makes the victim just a redshirt. His meeting with the MC is the inciting incident.

I said earlier in the thread that I'm relieved there a different views, so I'm not just missing the obvious by being unsure. When I come to another pass through, I'm going to write a second version which will probably follow the structure laid out by Phineas as that makes total sense to me. Then maybe get other eyes to look at both versions.

Thanks all, for the views.
 

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I suggest you stay with the MCs point of view and make the red shirt's desperation more obvious through dialogue and actions. You can simply lengthen the scene a bit to ensure your point comes across. I think it could avoid some confusion.

You can take my beginner advice with a whole shaker of salt. I won't be offended. :)
 
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