[BOTM - September] Off Season by Jack Ketchum

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September's Book O' the Month is:

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Off Season by Jack Ketchum

September. A beautiful New York Editor retreats to a lonely cabin on a hill in the quiet Maine beach town of Dead River--off season--awaiting her sister and friends. Nearby, a save human family with a taste for flesh lurks in the darkening woods, watching, waiting for the moon to rise and the night to fall...

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I want to keep this as casual as possible so let this thread be for an open discussion of the book-- Read and contribute at your own pace.

With that in mind, here are some very fluid deadlines:

* Part 1 ( 56 pages ) - 09/10/2012
* Part 2 ( 67 pages ) - 09/17/2012
* Part 3 - 10/01/2012

I am reading the Author's uncut version published by Leisure Books. It is preferred that you read an uncut version as the censored version really alters what I think is a major theme in this book.

I'll post some discussion points mid-week but please feel free to contribute before then :)
 

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Hrmm thought I already had it but its a different ketchup book (joyride). Guess Ill be missing this months read after all. Need to finish the books on my kindle before I start buying more lol.
 
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I finished reading it, but I'm still thinking about it, so I don't have anything overly useful to say just yet. :)
 

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some random ramblings and potential discussion points:

I really like the opening chapters.

Conflict is established quickly and we get our first glance of the antagonists. In all the action of the opening, ketchum manages to squeeze in some decent details about the setting without slowing things down. His description of the forest she is running through really put me there.

There are a few themes introduced as well. Isolation, change, absurdity, it all seems rather existential. The character being chased. has a realization that she would 'die alone'. She "changes" from the victim to an aggressor. All these things happen after she made the decision to help someone, to be a 'Good Samaritan'

more to come, busy at work today but wanted to try and get some discussion going
 

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Ketchum just leaps right in, doesn't he? Cool.

I like the decision to open with a minor character. She's important to the story, but we aren't going to follow her, or do much thinking about her, as she isn't one of the main characters.

She does a lot of important things, though. She introduces us to the cannibals, establishes some setting, and points to the themes Phineas12Gauge mentioned. She accomplishes a LOT in just several pages or so.

That choice brings in the sense of dread right at the beginning. Ketchum didn't have to develop her character or otherwise make sure we're familiar with her before nasty things starts happening. I like it.
 

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She's important to the story, but we aren't going to follow her, or do much thinking about her, as she isn't one of the main characters.

What I find ironic about this minor character is that the plot of the entire book is basically revealed through her experiences. She has the dual role of not only introducing the villians but I think there is a hint, maybe some foreshadowing, of what the main characters will experience.
 

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What I find ironic about this minor character is that the plot of the entire book is basically revealed through her experiences. She has the dual role of not only introducing the villians but I think there is a hint, maybe some foreshadowing, of what the main characters will experience.
Yes, I agree. It's sure better than starting off with the main characters in this case, because they aren't in any particular dire straits just yet. It'd be boring to start with their back stories, I think.

However, sometimes I get disoriented with starts like this and, unless the writing is strong enough, I give up on the book.

Also, if it goes on to too long like that, I give up. I like first chapters like this if they are short and sweet and hook you without dragging on.

I want to get to the MC(s) as soon as possible if they're the ones I'm gonna ride with for the rest of the story.
 

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Alrightee, so we were introduced to the monster right in the opening scenes. We know what's out there now.

We get the introduction of some of the characters: Carla ( a writer ), Peters ( a grizzled old cop just itchin' for retirement ), Marjorie ( Carla's sister), and a few other minor characters.

I must confess, I always snicker when a main character is a writer.

The pace has slowed considerably in these scenes, however, we know a threat is looming so there is still some tension maintained.

Carla has an encounter with a man with a red shirt and later the same man is watching her.

Remember, the comics in the attic and the strange pile of bones? Do they belong to the monstrous children from the beginning?

We get access to Carla's thoughts about her sister, Marjorie. It is established that Carla is the strong sister and Marj the weak.

Peters' scene sets up the town and adds some foreboding, he has a feeling that something is going to happen. He also gets the titular line :) We also meet shearing in this scene, the man Peters is trying to groom to take over the sherriff's office from him.

Finally, we get to one of my favorite sections of the book, the intro of Marj and the infodump that closes the chapter. I love the fact that the character is learning this at the same time we are. Also, take note in how he does this-- it doesn't seem tacked on and it would be quite natural for someone to read about where they are going, even somewhere as pedestrian as Dead River. I feel if this had of been at the beginning of the book as a prologue, I probably wouldn't have read it.

ok, so far in the first 56 pages:

* established a few of the the themes
* introduced the enemy and showed us what cruelty they are are capable off.
* gave us a pretty good intro to Carla, Peters, and Marj
* managed to squeeze in the backstory in about catbird island.

this has all happened within a 24 hour period. All the trains of this story are heading towards the same destination, I wonder when they are going to collide?

There is a chekhov's gun in part 1, can you find it?
 
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Finally, we get to one of my favorite sections of the book, the intro of Marj and the infodump that closes the chapter. I love the fact that the character is learning this at the same time we are. Also, take note in how he does this-- it doesn't seem tacked on and it would be quite natural for someone to read about where they are going, even somewhere as pedestrian as Dead River. I feel if this had of been at the beginning of the book as a prologue, I probably wouldn't have read it.
If it were a prologue, most likely I'd have skipped it, too. But by the time we get to it, I'm already invested in all/most of the characters. So, I stuck with it (plus it was interesting, which helped).

Infodumping is soooo tricky. As a writer, it's nice to hear a reader's opinion of when it's done well (or not done well). I have been kicking around writing a scene similar to this, only not with the character reading a book, but rather a Wikipedia entry. Ketchum provides a good example to follow, for sure.


Keep it to yourself for now :)
Right. That's what I thought. Of course now I'm second guessing myself anyway. :tongue I can't wait to get to the part where it reveals itself!
 

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There is such heavy irony in this book.

In the close of Part 1, look at Marj's reaction to the headlines in the newspaper. She is deeply affected by the senseless violence that she usually doesn't read beyond the headlines.

NY is painted as dreary ( rainy and cold ) and violent. By morning, the storm will break and they will have clear skies for their journey to Maine-- but there is always a calm before the storm.

In a sense, she is leaving the violence of the city for the perceived peacefulness of the "country"

In Maine, she would not have the Post.


Anyway, part #2 discussion will start soon.

Hope everyone is enjoying the book so far.
 

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In the close of Part 1, look at Marj's reaction to the headlines in the newspaper. She is deeply affected by the senseless violence that she usually doesn't read beyond the headlines.

Yeah, this. I thought that was a nice touch.

Also, even though this book was published in 1980 or 1981 (I don't remember which and am feeling very lazy this morning), the headlines are pretty much the same ones we read today. Just because I'm reading those headlines on a computer or smartphone screen instead of on newsprint doesn't mean that much has really changed.
 

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I don't know exactly if the page no. is the same for all of us...but I think we all synch up around the chap. that begins 6:40? Is that right? That's technically Page 66 for me.

Anyway, I know we haven't moved onto the next discussion points officially yet, but I wanted to say...that scene outside the store, where we meet the Pincus brothers?

:eek: That whole scene was written so well and was so much more frightening and disturbing to me than any of the explicit disturbing stuff in the rest of the book.
 

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Anyway, I know we haven't moved onto the next discussion points officially yet,

Feel free to open the discussion. I can fit in my stuff anywhere :)

I've been very slow this week, I hope to get something up later today out of my notes
 

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Part #2 ( 2:15PM ) opens with the introduction of the rest of the characters connected to Carla. We meet Nick, Laura, Jim, and Dan for the first time and get a little bit more of insight into Marjie. This book ends the last scene of part 1 with Marj where we learned that she doesn't really like violence, Laura on the other hand 'Love that stuff'. Most of this scene is done from Marjie's pov and she gives us a very negative portrait of both Laura and Jim ( Carla's boyfriend ). we also get to see some more contrast between Carla & Marjie

* If Carla's problem was an excess of self-reliance, hers, she guessed, was that she was that she had too little.

The scene closes with another mention of how the country is "civilized". The characters are primed to feel absolutely safe where they're are going

more to come...
 

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Part #2 - 2:55pm -

We get to see the aftermath of the events that opened the book. The woman did survive, however, her suffering did not end after she escaped from the children.

This brings me back to one of the themes I talked about earlier, absurdity. This character escaped one menace only to be left to another one. Ketchum can be cruel to his characters. :)

There are other important things in this section that help advance the story:

* we learn that there were other disappearances around catbird island.
* evidence was found of someone living on catbird island

The closing paragraph is particular poignant. Peters is talking about crabs but there is another level that this can be interpreted on. Think about it in terms of the children.

apologies for the scattershot approach and running beyond the deadlines. I will do my best to wrap up part #2 today and part #2 and beyond.
 

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ugh, too much school work and work work has taken up my time that I can't contribute this ...

I'll probably come back to this in november but in the meantime, if anyone wants to continue the discussion, please feel free :)
 

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I must not be reading the same book as you guys lol. I'm 14% in (on kindle) and it sucks. I doubt I'll get much further. There's way, WAY too much introspection and narrative. And some of the narrative is no good: She walked into the kitchen and got herself a drink of water. She turned off the lights. She walked back into the bedroom and drank the water ...

If this was someone's excerpt in SYW, people would be tearing it to shreds.

Okay. I came back after reading four more Kindle pages (about 800 words.) Again, different character: She walked into the kitchen and poured herself a glass of water. She took a drink and then refilled the glass. Carrying the glass of water, she walked back into the bedroom.

I don't know if water is a symbol of something or it has something to do with theme, but if you have to bore me to add it, just leave it out in a genre novel -- which, by the way, most people purchase to be entertained, and which it is failing miserably at it. Story first!

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Okay. I finished reading it. About a third of the way through, it became much better. If anyone cares to comment, I think he could've deleted the first quarter of the book, not including the opening chase scene.

I can only give it 3 stars out of 5, mainly because of the beginning.
 
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