Pep talk: Get what's yours

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Paula

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Hi everybody.
I just arrived from a day out, to receive yet another 2 rejection letters.
This is my second round of querying - my first round was about a year ago, to about 20 agents - and then I took a LONG (1 year almost) pause to start submitting for this project again. I just felt depleted, no agents gave me any feedback, the few that answered either did it with form letters or with simple "this is not for me".
A fellow writer inspired me to start submitting again, when he introduced me to "Query Shark", and I completely revamped my query and learned A LOT more about the process, starting with gusto a new round of submissions.
I started submitting again on May 7th and have since queried 20 agents (today was number 20). From those 20, 7 people replied already. 1 agent asked me for a sample of 5 pages, but still no bite.
I was about to log on and write a message asking someone to give me a pep talk, man, doesn't it just suck balls to read "It's not for me?/Thank you, we're gonna pass"" so many times? Man, it friggin' stinks! Particularly when they dismiss your work based solely on the query and never even read a page or a synopsis!
But you know what, when I was just about to start typing, I decided to not wallow in self pity and instead write an encouraging message to every single person who is going through this process. Hold your head up high everyone, do not give up, fight for what is yours!
Yes, it hurts like hell every time I fall and my face gets covered in mud, and my knees are bleeding and my arms are scraped and my face is dirty, but I am getting up, dusting myself off and I am getting back up.
I am keeping on the search for my agent, I'm coming, guns blazing, so they better be ready! Staying down simply isn't a choice for me and I am sure it is not a choice for you either for the same simple reason: my book was written to be read, to be a book, to be published. Not to sit in my drawer or in the external drive where I back up all my stuff.
If agents A, B, C, D, E, FWJJEHDKLND didn't think it was for them, that can only be good news, because it means I am getting this much closer to finding my agent, by thinning out the herd.

Call me optimistic, call me whatever you want but this feels helluvalot better than sitting in silence and feeling like crying because this process is so exhausting and frustrating! So if I come back some time to ask someone to give me a pep talk, by all means, please do, I'm not made of iron and this gusto with which I'm talking is not at all typical of me (but I'm enjoying it, so just go with it ;))

But by now here is my advice, to anyone and everyone who may be feeling low due to agent rejection: play your absolute favorite motivational song and remind yourself of the badass genius you absolutely are, dust yourself off and look for somebody else.

Oh, and don't forget to GO OUT AND LIVE between submissions. I was neglecting that part and was making myself miserable. But when the sun came out again, I simply went for a walk outside. I walked for hours exploring the neighbourhood. And the next day I went another way. And the next day I took the bus to and saw the sunset on the beach. It felt good to breathe again.

Love to all of you, a massive hug to fill you with courage.
Paula
 

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Send the first three to five pages, whether the agent asks for them or not. I think three is a good number, but Miss Snark always said five. Good first pages can save a mediocre query.
 

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I started submitting again on May 7th and have since queried 20 agents (today was number 20). From those 20, 7 people replied already. 1 agent asked me for a sample of 5 pages, but still no bite.

20 is a lot of agents to query over 10 days.

It might not be everyone's method, but I only ever have 3 queries out at once. What if agent number 5 got back to you and said 'I like the premise, but chapter three has a serious problem with X.' You've just blown it with 19 other agents.
 

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Gothicangel, I see the point your trying to make, but I don't agree with it. What is a problem for agent X may not be a problem for any other agent. It's all subjective. The thing is, the process is very long and most agents take more than a month to reply. It makes more sense for me to have more queries going around during that time than just 2 o3. But to each their method, right?
 

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When you reach 50 posts, you can post your query in QLH (Query Letter Hell in the Share Your Work section of the boards) for feedback. Sometimes there's a problem in the query that you, as the writer, don't notice, but agents do.
 

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Gothicangel, I see the point your trying to make, but I don't agree with it. What is a problem for agent X may not be a problem for any other agent. It's all subjective. The thing is, the process is very long and most agents take more than a month to reply. It makes more sense for me to have more queries going around during that time than just 2 o3. But to each their method, right?

Querying too many agents too fast means you'd better have everything perfect. You won't get a second chance with agents who say no, and using up all the good agents before you have your query and manuscript as perfect as possible is counter productive.

Most new writers think of time in the wrong way. Yes, it takes agents time, often months, to reply. But sending to twenty agents at once does not speed up the process unless your query is extremely good, and unless your manuscript is extremely good.

But if both are this good, you don't need to query more than two or three agents. If there is a problem with your query and/or manuscript, querying twenty agents means you just lost nineteen chances to make everything better before the next agents sees it.

Moreover, few, if any, genres have twenty top tier agents. This means that if you're selecting agents as carefully as you should be, you'd better have everything in shape to get an agent, or you'll be into the second, or third, tier before an agent takes you on.

The way to save time is not by querying a bunch of agents at once. The way to save time is by learning to write a query letter that makes an agent ask for the manuscript, and a manuscript that makes an agent want you as a client.

If you can do this, you don't need to query more than a few agents. If you can't yet do this, querying twenty at once just means that by the time you do get it right, you'll have an agent that is not one of the best.

Querying only two or three agents at a time means you have the chance to use feedback from agents, from anyone else qualified to give it, and to make changes before the next two or three agents see your query, and your manuscript.
 

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Querying too many agents too fast means you'd better have everything perfect. You won't get a second chance with agents who say no, and using up all the good agents before you have your query and manuscript as perfect as possible is counter productive.

Most new writers think of time in the wrong way. Yes, it takes agents time, often months, to reply. But sending to twenty agents at once does not speed up the process unless your query is extremely good, and unless your manuscript is extremely good.

But if both are this good, you don't need to query more than two or three agents. If there is a problem with your query and/or manuscript, querying twenty agents means you just lost nineteen chances to make everything better before the next agents sees it.

Moreover, few, if any, genres have twenty top tier agents. This means that if you're selecting agents as carefully as you should be, you'd better have everything in shape to get an agent, or you'll be into the second, or third, tier before an agent takes you on.

The way to save time is not by querying a bunch of agents at once. The way to save time is by learning to write a query letter that makes an agent ask for the manuscript, and a manuscript that makes an agent want you as a client.

If you can do this, you don't need to query more than a few agents. If you can't yet do this, querying twenty at once just means that by the time you do get it right, you'll have an agent that is not one of the best.

Querying only two or three agents at a time means you have the chance to use feedback from agents, from anyone else qualified to give it, and to make changes before the next two or three agents see your query, and your manuscript.

James, that should be stickied. It's such good advice.
 

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Querying only two or three agents at a time means you have the chance to use feedback from agents, from anyone else qualified to give it, and to make changes before the next two or three agents see your query, and your manuscript.

This is all good advice, but I've found in my querying that the agents who do get back to me (many are non-responders these days) simply send a form rejection. I have not gotten a single rejection with any feedback on how to improve my query. (And the few partial requests I got became rejections with no specific feedback.)

I've put my query through QLH, read all of the Query Shark archives, and had critique peers review it. It's now on version 4 or 5, and each new "improved" version has had diminishing returns. So I don't quite understand the logic of sending out tiny batches of queries and then waiting for months for feedback that will never come.

Also, I'd love to learn the secret of writing a perfect query letter that gets requests from most agents. :D I'm following all the advice I've gleaned during 8 months of research and revisions, and I still feel like a child playing a game she doesn't understand. It's very frustrating! I definitely needed a pep talk today.

--Stella
 

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I definitely agree with the previous posts about "wasting" your queries all at once. I finished my last manuscript, enjoyed the high, and then immediately sent out the query to about a million agents. I made it my full-time job... Each one was individually crafted for each particular agent, blah blah blah. I even got some great responses. Trouble was, my manuscript wasn't quite as ready as I thought it was! So even though they liked the letter, they most certainly didn't like the book. :) A real bummer. I wish I had sent just a few at a time, got the feedback, and then made improvements. I won't make that mistake again!!!
 

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Paula, even though the thread got sidetracked into how many queries to send at a time, I wanted to go back to the original topic and thank you for the pep talk. I needed it today.
 

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Me three.

I started the query process about a month and a half ago. I've sent out 16 queries in that time, received one request for a partial and nine rejections. Most of the time I can shrug the rejections off, but for some reason the one I got today made me feel pretty blue.

I needed your little pep talk, Paula. Thanks for taking the time to write it.
 
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