When a Wetnurse Is Not an Option (late 17th Century)

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Even at times when the waist was accentuated, there were plenty of larger women.

A subtle point is that when the waist is pinched in, it is pinched in from the front view only. Before the mid-nineteenth century corsets worked by pinching in the sides only, usually pushing the excess out to the front (By the late nineteenth century they had perfected squeezing the internal organs up and down to make frighteningly small waists. These are the corsets assailed by clothing reformers of a century ago.).

If you look at the corset on the left on this page, you can see that seen from the side the waistline is actually pretty normal, or even thickish front-to-back (This is a corset, or more properly "pair of stays" from the 1780s, smack in the middle of itty-bitty waist time. The corset on the right is Victorian, and you will notice that the mannequin it is on has the right size waist, but its bust and hips are rather smaller than the corset's -- Victorian proportions were ridiculous.).

While very little clothing older than the 18th century has survived, there is some evidence that 17th century corsets are not that different from 18th century ones, which is why I'm citing them here.

Of the surviving clothing, very little is of large, or even what we today would consider wearable sizes. This seems to be partly a function of people back then being smaller because of poor nutrition, partly that good, large clothing could be worn until it fell apart or was cut down into smaller garments for children, and partly that anything that did manage to survive which was big enough to be normally wearable seems to have been scavenged for fancy-dress balls and theatrical productions between the 1870s and 1930s, which destroyed quite a lot of garments at times when they were not considered historically important.

Surviving portraits and the very rare larger-sized clothing suggest that, yes, there were plenty of stout people around back then.

This is a fairly typical, plain, ordinary corset of the 18th century, and its waist is 28 inches, only a touch smaller than my own, and I'm not particularly small.

One last subtle point is that corsets were not necessarily laced edge-to-edge. In the nineteenth century there was typically a four-inch gap at the back, which allowed for more flexibility and also allowed a woman to claim a waist size four inches smaller than her actual measurement. I don't know about the actual practice of earlier centuries, but it is true when wearing earlier-style corsets that some kind of gap increases comfort and flexibility.

However, most of the photographs of surviving corsets I have seen online are laced edge-to-edge, with no gap. This makes them look a lot smaller than they probably were when worn and skews the images towards the appearance of the brutal waist-cinchers of feverish Victorian imagination.

I also suspect that a great many of them were intended for young girls. Children are larger in reality than in our imaginations, and given the measurements, I suspect a lot of the surviving clothing is actually for children (a 20-inch waist is not unusual for an average-sized eight-year-old).

I'm digressing a lot here, but my main point is yes, pregnancy can be concealed by 17th-century clothing.
 

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I'm well acquainted with both 17th and 18th century fashion. I still maintain that a woman becoming pregnant must have become visibly larger than she was before. And you lived close to each other. How you keep another woman you share a bed with from becoming aware of your condition is a mystery to me (and to be honest, fellow servants are usually the once suspecting something is up in the court cases).

NOTE: I'm not contesting it could be hidden. On the contrary, I'm providing evidence that several women did hide it. I'm just baffled it's possible.
 

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Every now and then on the news (or a TV medical program) there's a story about a woman who didn't realise that she was pregnant until she gave birth. Or, successfully concealed it. The ones that get the most play are the 'teenage girl gives birth in the school washroom' ones, but I've seen others (sorry, no cites as I didn't pay much attention at the time). Some women just don't 'show' all that much.
 

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Thanks again, guys!

We'll I'm embarrassed I typed you're instead of your, which is a pet peeve of mine. Far more embarrassed than you! ;)
I dunno. The realization that I've simultaneously underthought and overthought parts of a character's background is pretty embarrassing.

How important is it that your MC be raised as his mother's 'brother'? If not, she could leave him at a foundling home on her way back from wherever she goes to hide her pregnancy and they would raise him.
Well, being raised in a foundling home would put a crimp in his poaching career, and his swimming skills would suffer greatly.

Flicka said:
ETA: if anyone is interested, do a search on Old Bailey online on 'infant' and the years you're interested in. There are several cases listed for each year. Often the women have complained over feeling unwell or maybe having "a Colick" and then afterwards a dead, fully grown infant has been found.

Don't do this if you can't stomach reading about rather cruel infanticides, however. Such desperation and in some cases quite clearly mental illness. Very sad.
Bolding mine.

I should've listened. I looked, and disturbed myself on several different levels.:scared:
 

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Here's a book that might interest you:
Bastards and foundlings: illegitimacy in eighteenth-century England

It's a century later, but some of the early info might help you. It's literary as opposed to historical, looks like.

Child survival: anthropological perspectives on the treatment and ... By Nancy Scheper-Hughes


says that many foundlings from Paris were shipped off to impoverished wet nurses in the countryside. I'm guessing that could happen with your MC if he's left, perhaps, on the step of a church.

It also says that some English babies were fed on "pap" a mixture of tea, broth or water and bread crumbs or arrowroot or tapioca which was nutritionally inadequate but probably easier to feed with a spoon.


So if your MC goes away to hide her pregnancy and leaves the baby by the side of the road or on the steps of a church and he's raised by the parish in a nearby country village he might be scrawny but he could learn to swim and poach.

But he wouldn't know who his mother is if that's important to your story.

Alternatively, you might be able to send her away to her grandmother's for several months and it might be plausible for the baby to be abandoned on the steps of her own church and her father to agree to take in the baby and then a month or so later she comes back from granny's and no one is (much) the wiser.

Or variations on the theme.
 

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I've seen a video of a premature baby drinking from a cup. They sort of lap up the milk.
That may be a little less tedious than a spoon.
 

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Again pulling this out on a vague feeling but I'm pretty sure I've read descriptions of bottles. You could search some museum sites. The Foundling Museum might be an idea since they obviously had motherless infants in the Foundling Hospital (it's 18th c but still) and V&A has a lot online as do, I think the London Museum. Also maybe Colonial Williamsburg?

I don't think blown glass was available to the lower classes during this period.
I have a hunch that they would dip a rag or piece of leather in a pan of goat's or cow's milk so the baby could suck on it like it would at breastfeeding.
 

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Alternatively, you might be able to send her away to her grandmother's for several months and it might be plausible for the baby to be abandoned on the steps of her own church and her father to agree to take in the baby and then a month or so later she comes back from granny's and no one is (much) the wiser.

Or variations on the theme.
You know, this makes a heck of a lot more sense that my original idea. I'll have to seriously think about this. Thanks!
 

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Use 'google image' and search pap+boat. They used these pap boats as well as spoons to feed infants.

You may want to spend at least a little time convincing the reader that the family would go to such lengths to conceal the bastardy of a child. My own, very-non-expert assumption would be that the poorer classes in late C17 didn't look upon premarital sex or even bastardy as a deep social stigma. I would have thought the main objection to bastardy for the barely scraping-by poor was the practical consideration that no man took financial responsibility for the child.

See the Encyclopedia of Children and Childhood in History, and Bastardy and Prenuptual Pregnancy in a Cheshire Town During the Eighteenth Century. Depending on what statistics you're looking at and exactly when and where in the late 17th century you are, the rate of bastardy seems to be about 5% of live births. Probably more than a quarter of brides were preggers when married.

If one person in twenty was a bastard, you'd find one in every third household. At least part of your storytelling might maybe deal with some of the whys this poor family didn't want to be that household.
 
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I think Job's presumption is very close to fact.
It certainly was accepted among the upper class where mistresses were most common and their offspring were often publicly accepted.
 

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Use 'google image' and search pap+boat. They used these pap boats as well as spoons to feed infants.

You may want to spend at least a little time convincing the reader that the family would go to such lengths to conceal the bastardy of a child. My own, very-non-expert assumption would be that the poorer classes in late C17 didn't look upon premarital sex or even bastardy as a deep social stigma. I would have thought the main objection to bastardy for the barely scraping-by poor was the practical consideration that no man took financial responsibility for the child.

See the Encyclopedia of Children and Childhood in History, and Bastardy and Prenuptual Pregnancy in a Cheshire Town During the Eighteenth Century. Depending on what statistics you're looking at and exactly when and where in the late 17th century you are, the rate of bastardy seems to be about 5% of live births. Probably more than a quarter of brides were preggers when married.

If one person in twenty was a bastard, you'd find one in every third household. At least part of your storytelling might maybe deal with some of the whys this poor family didn't want to be that household.

I admit I know very little about the attitudes to bastardy in 17th century England (I never looked into it) but I do have experience of a dichotomy between moral and statistics from the late 19th century. I wrote my finishing paper on the morality debate in Sweden in the 1890s. At the time, the percentage of illegitimate children was staggering - I think that as many as 25% of all children born in Stockholm were born out of wedlock. Seeing that, it might be assumed that a young woman wouldn't be ashamed of having a bastard, but it wasn't as simple.

First, the majority of the children were born to couples cohabitating but not married (usually called a 'Stockholm marriage' - there were also something called 'handfasting children' when the couple was engaged but those children were considered semi-legitimate and could inherit so legally they weren't bastards). This was because a husband controlled his wife's money and women simply didn't trust the men not to spend their hard-earned money on drink rather than food for the children. While statistically bastards, they weren't really perceived as such.

The attitudes to a single woman preggers was different, especially if the father was unknown. If she was getting married to him, no one would be shocked if a babe arrived early because the mother was as good as married. Plenty of women engaged in occasional prostitution, but it didn't mean that they were tolerated or well-treated. Once you'd fallen, you could never regain your virtue and in many ways these women were outcasts.

To sum it up: the common people did view marriage as essential, but their definition of marriage differed from that of the law and so the statistics really give the wrong impression (just ask my great-grandmother who was a French varitée singer on tour in Sweden who happened to give birth on a train without any idea about who the father was - she was deeply ashamed and tried to hide that he was illegitimate).

I just wanted to point out that attitude to illegitimacy sometimes differ from what statistics show, especially in socities where various forms of 'common law marriages' exist. But I agree, the issue needs to be explored in the book! :)

Sorry for blabbering...
 
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Not blabbering...

at all, Flicka.
Our interpretation of statistics often is coloured by our mind set.

There were many reasons for pregnancies pre-marriage.

1 Getting married formally and legally in church cost a lot of money. Many couples could not afford it and lived together without the official document.

2. It was one way of getting your man. If you were pregnant he had to marry you. Shotgun weddings in deed!

3. In some rural farming areas, even when I was a child, it was necessary for the couple to show the girl wasn't barren and the boy was fertile and the wedding went ahead when the girl was pregnant.

4. Rape. Rape to force a girl into marriage by making her pregnant. Or girl was raped and pregnant and marriage forced on her for the child's sake!

What we often forget today is the strength of religion in the past. Even as late as the 1950s pregnancy before marriage was a shocking thing. Christian religion condemned it and if you want to gain some idea of the attitudes back then look at the Muslim attitude today, especially the so called 'honour killings'!
 
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