Lithium AA batteries: good for "atomic" clocks?

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Since most watch batteries are lithium ion, are AA lithium batteries a better choice for radio controlled ("atomic") clocks than alkaline?

I'll hang up now and listen to the answer on the radio.
 

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A few years ago the thought would be ludicrous. However some pretty nice atomic clock modules have come out this year - they are a whole lot smaller than the traditional kind.

eg: http://www.elektor.com/news/atomic-clock-oscillator-module.1682812.lynkx

They still take about 150mW
A single AA lithium battery has about 2700 to 3000 mAh at 1.5 volts

This means it could run the module for about 27 - 30 hours before being fully used up .. in practise it would be perhaps 20 hours for a safety margin.

So yes - you could have an atomic clock running from a single AA cell .. and the entire circuit (complete with battery & clock) would weigh under 100 grams.

However the battery would only last for a single day.

But that's pretty damn impressive.

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A few years ago the thought would be ludicrous. However some pretty nice atomic clock modules have come out this year - they are a whole lot smaller than the traditional kind.

eg: http://www.elektor.com/news/atomic-clock-oscillator-module.1682812.lynkx

They still take about 150mW
A single AA lithium battery has about 2700 to 3000 mAh at 1.5 volts

This means it could run the module for about 27 - 30 hours before being fully used up .. in practise it would be perhaps 20 hours for a safety margin.

So yes - you could have an atomic clock running from a single AA cell .. and the entire circuit (complete with battery & clock) would weigh under 100 grams.

However the battery would only last for a single day.

But that's pretty damn impressive.

Mac
No, that's not at all what he means, NOT an actual atomic clock!

This is an atomic "wrist watch." But no, that's not what he's talking about...

I recall a friend bought what was called an "atomic clock" about 12 years ago. I wondered about that (it was only $40!), but then found out it was actually just a plain quartz clock with a small radio receiver that gets powered up once a day and picks up the signal from WWVB (whose signal is of course controlled by some of the best and most accurate atomic clocks in the world), and resets the clock's time to the received time. The receiver is powered up for only a minute or two a day, and so it's always accurate to about a second, or whatever the quartz clock drifts in 24 hours. And yes, I was appalled that a sync-by-radio clock was called an "atomic clock." They're still called that, and are about $10 at any Target or Walmart.

Joe, thanks for your call and question. The radio in these things doesn't take up a whole lot of power, and as it only operates a minute a day, battery life shouldn't be too much shorter than a regular quartz clock.

A lithium battery should indeed have a substantially longer life than an alkaline battery, perhaps two or three times as long. However, lithium batteries cost many times many times alkalines cost, so it may actually cost more of the same time period to use lithium batteries. If changing the battery every couple of years instead of every six months (or however long you've found alkalines to last in your clock) is worth it to you, then go for the lithium.

I think watch batteries are lithium (or even silver, like the batteries that ran the Moon Buggy in the later Apollo missions) to give them greater power density than alkaline, which is arguably needed in a watch - it would be really inconvenient to change a watch battery every few months, when it's possible without too much expense to make them last a few years.
 

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I have a radio controlled clock on the wall of my office, and it runs for several months on a plain old alkaline battery, and at least a year using an alkaline. At least, I think it does. I just replaced the old radio controlled clock with a new one, so it hasn't had a chance to run for more than six weeks or so. But I can't see it using more battery power than the old one did.

Lithium batteries are more expensive, but it's nice to put one in and forget about it. I use lithium for pretty much everything.
 

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Ah - I've never seen those. But real atomic clocks are pretty cool.

I got a chance to geek out for a moment.

So it was worth it for me.

Thanks !

Mac
 

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No, that's not at all what he means, NOT an actual atomic clock!

This is an atomic "wrist watch." But no, that's not what he's talking about...

I recall a friend bought what was called an "atomic clock" about 12 years ago. I wondered about that (it was only $40!), but then found out it was actually just a plain quartz clock with a small radio receiver that gets powered up once a day and picks up the signal from WWVB (whose signal is of course controlled by some of the best and most accurate atomic clocks in the world), and resets the clock's time to the received time. The receiver is powered up for only a minute or two a day, and so it's always accurate to about a second, or whatever the quartz clock drifts in 24 hours. And yes, I was appalled that a sync-by-radio clock was called an "atomic clock." They're still called that, and are about $10 at any Target or Walmart.

Joe, thanks for your call and question. The radio in these things doesn't take up a whole lot of power, and as it only operates a minute a day, battery life shouldn't be too much shorter than a regular quartz clock.

A lithium battery should indeed have a substantially longer life than an alkaline battery, perhaps two or three times as long. However, lithium batteries cost many times many times alkalines cost, so it may actually cost more of the same time period to use lithium batteries. If changing the battery every couple of years instead of every six months (or however long you've found alkalines to last in your clock) is worth it to you, then go for the lithium.

I think watch batteries are lithium (or even silver, like the batteries that ran the Moon Buggy in the later Apollo missions) to give them greater power density than alkaline, which is arguably needed in a watch - it would be really inconvenient to change a watch battery every few months, when it's possible without too much expense to make them last a few years.

Don't worry. I remember when watches with batteries in them were billed as "electric watches". I once made the mistake of asking a vendor at the GLBT Pride festival if the watches he was selling were electric, and there was this awkward pause before he said, "No, they have batteries in them."