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I'll post a gentle request that, should Mr. Brown or Mr. Keeley join us on the thread, the community will be civil. :)

As far as I can tell, our real concerns or lingering questions are about unsolicited email targeted towards writers, offering paid editing services--but primarily the sticky point in the specific instance in the original post seems to be that the agent who forwarded the manuscript is the one who screwed up, and MES is essentially coming into the thread as possibly concerning because:

1. Someone from MES has apparently spammed people who are perplexed as to how their addresses were obtained, or they're sending email to people whose addies are available under their profiles?

2. If indeed MES is closely affiliated with a specific agent/agent in terms of referrals-for-dollars, then there's some concern about that agent with regard to ethical/conflict of interest questions, per AAR requirements--which has us looking a little askance at the business association between that agent and MES?

(Just as a general rule of thumb, for ANY of us, by the way -- while I can understand that it can be disconcerting to see your name pop up when you do a vanity-Google, generally the very best thing to do is just click away quietly and let your record speak for itself.)
 
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Darn it, I never get threatening e-mails from attorneys (pseudo or otherwise).

I have. It's over-rated. I find that writing back to say either: "Please set out where and how you think I've defamed your client" or "Please give me the address and contact details for the attorney representing you in your defamation action so that my own counsel can make contact" works wonders at making them back the hell off.

Also, most professional legal associations have on-line directories where I can check if someone purporting to be an attorney really is one. It's always a lot of fun when you ask in which jurisdiction someone is qualified so you can employ suitably qualified counsel in return and they go werry, werry quiet.

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Here's the thing, MM - I could, hypothetically, look up an attorney's name and open a gmail account in some variation of that name, then send email from that address, claiming to be that attorney -- and people have done pretty much just exactly that to try to get threads pulled, here. As a result I'm often a bit skeptical, at least at first, that people are who they claim to be, when they email me out of the blue.
 

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Here's the thing, MM - I could, hypothetically, look up an attorney's name and open a gmail account in some variation of that name, then send email from that address, claiming to be that attorney -- and people have done pretty much just exactly that to try to get threads pulled, here. As a result I'm often a bit skeptical, at least at first, that people are who they claim to be, when they email me out of the blue.
Um, isn't that kinda illegal?
 

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Um, isn't that kinda illegal?


Yes, of course it is-- the thing is, people do it all the time.

I've received email from people claiming to be Well Known Author X, and who are not, of course, Well Known Author X.

There's a reason you'll see legitimate attorneys explicitly recuse themselves.

You'll also see sock-puppets; people deliberately representing themselves as an "ordinary joe" but using a fake name/login, because they're a involved in the organization or primary discussion. You'll see people deliberately create multiple accounts, in order to manipulate the conversation--and other participants.
 
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MacAllister:
I could, hypothetically, look up an attorney's name and open a gmail account in some variation of that name, then send email from that address, claiming to be that attorney -- and people have done pretty much just exactly that to try to get threads pulled, here.

Yup. I don't doubt that for a second. There are some shitty and stupid people out there.

However, on the one ocassion when I was threatened with a law suit (from someone emailing from a hotmail account), I asked them for their address and contact details so my own lawyer could get in touch. You can fake an email account, it's harder to fake an office and contact details - especially when they can be checked (in the UK at least) with the Law Society. Of course, I think that it helps in the UK for it to be a criminal offence to pretend to be a solicitor.

My point is that just because some schmuck emails or PMs you claiming to be an attorney, doesn't mean you can't push back and ask them to prove it.

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In this case, the email exchange has been pretty much resolved amiably. I've encouraged the individual in question to simply address any concerns he has, here on the thread.
 

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Is there a reason, MES or any other editing service does not list who their editors are? I mean, it seems that if I could search for the editor and find out what their experience is I might feel more comfortable using a service like this.

When ever I see these type of advertisements, I always think of some grad school guy or gal trying to make a few extra bucks...
 

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Hey guys!

I don't want an editor! I think I'm the new Tolstoy!

I just want to know how MES got hold of my email address!

Hello ~ did not read the whole thread, but I BELIEVE I know how MES got your email. Alan Brown is who is "MES" ~

http://stores.manuscripteditingsolutions.com/-strse-template/about/Page.bok

"[FONT="Trebuchet MS", Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=3][COLOR=black][B]About Manuscript Editing Solutions, LLC [/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/I]

[CENTER][I][FONT="Trebuchet MS", Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=2][COLOR=black][SIZE=4]MEET ALAN BROWN - SENIOR EDITOR"[/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/CENTER]


He ALSO happens to be a close personal friend/work associate of Jan Kardys' (according to personal conversations I have had with Jan on the phone while in the course of employment with Jan for a few months last year ~ she had mentioned his name on more than one occasion as a friend of hers).

Now...NOT saying FOR SURE that is 100% how, but, I suspect is 99.99999999% so...for:

I have [I][U][B]also[/B][/U][/I] received spam emails from Alan. And, I figgered how I came to be on his mailing list thusly:

I worked for Jan in some small capacity last year (vetting mss)...during that time, she sent emails asking people on her email lists to "friend" each others' blogs to gain followings/supporters to each blog). She also gave out personal emails to those who asked her for her lists...as...here is one such email I received (mind you, I have NO blog...at all...she knew such...thus she just gave all her contacts without filtering and without asking any of us...well, least I was NOT asked is she could send out my email addy to pals).

From: [B]M(name removed by Christine for privacy sake of sender...)[/B] <[EMAIL="[email protected]"]sculprest of email addy removed for privacy sake of [email protected][/EMAIL]>
Date: Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:36 PM
Subject: sharing my blog
To: M(name edited by Christine for privacy of sender) <zenrest of email addy removed for privacy sake of email sender (I DO Have the actual email yet though ;)@gmail.com>
Hi,
I am a friend of Jan Kardys.
Let's sign on the each others blog.
I want to share my blog.
http://zen rest of site name removed for privacy of sender by Christine.com/
Thank you.


M


Moving on to the editing site getting emails...via same method (I BELIEVE):

I never submit an MS to Jan (EVER), NOR any agent in over 2 years ~ Soooooooooo....there would be NO WAY for Alan to know of me (at all)...much less only know of me for the past year (when his spam emails started coming my way (June 11, June 20, July 15, July 16 ~ those are the 4 kept and not deleted (thus far in my quick check of my email history)).


Since he would/could NOT know of me as a writer (I am not, have not for 2 years now...) who did or did NOT need editing help...and/or a writer (regardless of editing stuff) that joined writing contests (I do NOT, Never have). Soooooooo...there would be NO reason for Alan to email me his Wyatt contest emails, NOR his editing site emails soliciting his "talents" for editing to me. It follows, thus, he cannot know of me in any manner, and should not be able to send me emails...YET...I got them, until I sent "cease and desist" emails.

If my word is not enough for the connect (as one should do diligence) I shall add added information/links for support of my truth...

He is also on Jan's Unicorn site as a speaker/workshop person at that Unicorn conference (work connect) ~ the contest one for his editing site clearly lists her as judge on linky ^ there :)

http://www.jankardys.com/Unicorn_Press/Alan_Brown.html
http://www.jankardys.com/Unicorn_Press/Speakers.html

If that is not enough to make any pause when searching bewares and background checks (though all the typos on Alan's editing site are his own WORST advertising) ~ to stay away from both mentioned in this thread? Jan also has a publishing company too...um, she be right full up of (perhaps) seeming conflicts of interest...(SEEMING...to the way I have read history of such on this most information laden site that helps writers).


<li class="g" style="list-style-type: none; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">ShawGuides : Unicorn Writers' Conference (from page 4)
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Program Description, Conference devoted to book publishing & writing workshops. ... Contact, Jan Kardys President Unicorn Press, LLC 17 Church Hill Road ...


http://writing.shawguides.com/unicornwritersconference

I best be off to eat the duck confit Jimmy be cooking me this verra minute. I check back in a bit...and read whole rest of thread.

Christine
 

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