Good source for the number of copies a book sold?

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Are there any websites (or other sources) that would tell me how many copies a given book sold? Basically something like boxofficemojo for the book world.

I did a quick Google search but it didn't turn up anything.
 

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Not sure, but even on Amazon you can not make heads or tales on how many books have been sold of any single title, only how many have sold better than the one you are looking at..

If you are including POD, I not sure you can get an accurate count because a lot of the POD's do not give even their authors an accurate count.

Good luck on finding what you are looking for...
 
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Are there any websites (or other sources) that would tell me how many copies a given book sold? Basically something like boxofficemojo for the book world.

No.

As James says, people in the biz get very approximate information from Nielsen BookScan, which costs enormous amounts and is not particularly accurate.

There's no equivalent of BoxOfficeMojo for books.
 

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Source: Nielsen BookScan. Data does not include sales from Wal-Mart, Sam’s, BJ’s, or libraries.

$5,000/yr subscription. Really.

Just out of curiosity, is there any reason it doesn't include that extra data? It doesn't seem like it'd be that hard to figure up. Does Wal-mart keep its data secret or something?
 

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I don't get why these book sales are being kept away from us. We get to know box office sales, cd sales (y'know, those shiny discs), and video games sales. Why can't I look up how many copies of "1984" were sold this year dammit! [*feigns anger*; seriously though: why?]
 

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Just out of curiosity, is there any reason it doesn't include that extra data? It doesn't seem like it'd be that hard to figure up. Does Wal-mart keep its data secret or something?
Not all bookstores report sales to Bookscan, for various reasons -- including, i would guess, too much trouble.

This includes indie bookstores, some do, but not all.

However, if you have access to Bookscan numbers, and also your royalty statements for the same period, you can get a pretty good estimate of actual sales of a current book by weighting the numbers.
 

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Source: Nielsen BookScan. Data does not include sales from Wal-Mart, Sam’s, BJ’s, or libraries.

$5,000/yr subscription. Really.


Nor does it include grocery stores, news stands, and the wire-rack spinner at the bus station. And two different formats for the same book will be reported as two different books.
 

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I'm kind of happy that exact numbers, or even approximate numbers, aren't available to the general public. It's too much like putting your pay stub online.
 

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I'm more interested in the classics. I've always wondered how their sales stack up these days and how the trends change. I heard somewhere (from the news, I think) that copies of Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged skyrocketed after Obama got elected. Plus, I've always been curious about how much Dostoyevsky sells.
 

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The author will know the numbers from his publisher, in the case of classics, the author’s estate will know. Perhaps those figures aren’t made public for data protection reasons, but I would imagine the tax authorities have access to them.

But what about listed bestsellers?
 

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Um...no the author will NOT know the number from their publisher...this is the problem...NOBODY seems to know...
I can't even find out...
Mostly it's vague figures...and royalty statements are REALLY hard to read.
 

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Why can't I look up how many copies of "1984" were sold this year dammit! [*feigns anger*; seriously though: why?]


Because nobody collects the data. That's the only reason.

A publisher, in theory, aggregates total sales data quarterly for royalty payments. But this is pretty approximate, because there's a constant inflow of bookstore returns and outflow of bookstore orders. Authors don't, as ORION says, get very specific sales information.

And when it comes to classic titles, there are likely several different publishers who don't share information.

The reason we get movie info and CD sales info in the US, at least, is that there are industry organizations that collect that data (or who commission someone to collect it). There isn't a book-industry equivalent in the US of the Motion Picture Association of America or the Recording Industry Association of America.

In the US, the different best-seller lists are compiled according to different criteria. In general, the compiling organizations select what they feel is a statistically representative sample of booksellers and extrapolate from that. This article gives a (somewhat dated) overview of how different best-seller lists work, as does this one.
 
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I hadn’t thought about books in the public domain.

I remember believing I would get 75P per book sold at something like £7.95, and when the statements arrived I was a bit disappointed. I eventually phoned my agent and he waffled on about discounts, remainders and other things, way above my head, so I ignored it, being no good with figures anyway.

My accountant queried it at some time and wrote to both the publishers and the agents. But he didn’t write back to me, so I gave up.

As authors we’re supposed to be at the top of the pile; in reality, the bean counters are in total charge.
 

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I remember believing I would get 75P per book sold at something like £7.95, and when the statements arrived I was a bit disappointed. I eventually phoned my agent and he waffled on about discounts, remainders and other things, way above my head, so I ignored it, being no good with figures anyway.

Sounds like your royalties were based on net rather than retail.
 

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Sounds like your royalties were based on net rather than retail.

You could well be right, I think my agent did mention something along those lines among his other waffle. An earlier poster also mentioned that the exact numbers were never disclosed. I thought they were, which is why I queried the remuneration, but I could be wrong.
 

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I'm kind of happy that exact numbers, or even approximate numbers, aren't available to the general public. It's too much like putting your pay stub online.


How so? It's not like every author earns the same amount of money per copy sold...or do they? :Huh:
 

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I get a Bookscan report from my agent every week. Wednesday is the de facto "numbers" day. She also sends the Adult Fiction Top-100 list for the week, which has the usual bestsellers, but there are also classics that always make the list, like To Kill A Mockingbird, which sold 4,800 copies this past week...234,000 copies sold year-to-date. It's good to be a classic...
 

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Because nobody collects the data. That's the only reason.

A publisher, in theory, aggregates total sales data quarterly for royalty payments. But this is pretty approximate, because there's a constant inflow of bookstore returns and outflow of bookstore orders. Authors don't, as ORION says, get very specific sales information.

And when it comes to classic titles, there are likely several different publishers who don't share information.

The reason we get movie info and CD sales info in the US, at least, is that there are industry organizations that collect that data (or who commission someone to collect it). There isn't a book-industry equivalent in the US of the Motion Picture Association of America or the Recording Industry Association of America.

In the US, the different best-seller lists are compiled according to different criteria. In general, the compiling organizations select what they feel is a statistically representative sample of booksellers and extrapolate from that. This article gives a (somewhat dated) overview of how different best-seller lists work, as does this one.

Rep point for you.

It's odd that the publishing industry wouldn't have an RIAA equivalent.
 

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but there are also classics that always make the list, like To Kill A Mockingbird, which sold 4,800 copies this past week...234,000 copies sold year-to-date. It's good to be a classic...

I wonder how many of those were high school kids buying it for class. What would the sales be if it weren't required reading for so many people?
 
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